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Liver Damage From AAS
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SMASHING MACHINE
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Where is BaldNazi's story when you need him??? i actually have a close personal friend that is going through a tough period in his life due to his abuse of oral steroids. i for one think that orals are demonized these days, but certainly abuse is going to cause some difficulties... its a possibility that he has scarring over half of his liver. if that is the case he is obviously in some serious trouble. people who run 100mg of dbol ED are playing with fire... even though i have done so myself.
lookinfit75
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What happened to Baldnazi?
I am pretty sure I have seen that screen name on another forum that is into syntherol use.
I am pretty sure I have seen that screen name on another forum that is into syntherol use.
12+n years on and off--no severe sides no bad test ressults, except a few cholesterol issues and one dangerous experience with with tren (unique circumstances and user was an idiot (me)).
layinback
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elevated liver enzymes on winstrol about 6 years ago.
cholesterol issues on scripted oxandrolone. ( i'm scripted 20 mg's and i stockpiled and did 40 mg's for a few weeks)
doc took me off for 6 weeks and i learned my lesson lol.
get blood work done when doing ANY AAS. avoid acetaminophen, alcohol and other liver metabolizers when using
oral AAS and supplement with NAC. NAC has solid medical literature backing regarding liver protection. superior to
milk thistle, which can actually increase blood concentrations of anabolics, thereby increasing side effects.
cholesterol issues on scripted oxandrolone. ( i'm scripted 20 mg's and i stockpiled and did 40 mg's for a few weeks)
doc took me off for 6 weeks and i learned my lesson lol.
get blood work done when doing ANY AAS. avoid acetaminophen, alcohol and other liver metabolizers when using
oral AAS and supplement with NAC. NAC has solid medical literature backing regarding liver protection. superior to
milk thistle, which can actually increase blood concentrations of anabolics, thereby increasing side effects.
digit0x
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Thanks guys for feedback. NAC = ? So doc says milkthistle is no good huh? Def. going to look into NAC then.
lookinfit75
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Whoa, just read a bunch of stuff over on the other site and it appears they have quite a few deaths and near death experiences over there. The site is professionalmuscle and still haven't been able to find out exactly what it is that happened the baldnazi but he had some kind of surgery as a result of juicing too much. Kinda scary cuz he's my age.
layinback
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layinback
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i took a 38 slug in '87. ruptured my spleen and pierced the left lobe of my liver.
this has left me prone to encapsulated bacterial infections and subsequent
sudden weight loss. if i get the flu, i can lose 20 lb's in 4 weeks!!!
it's definitely a stretch but it's 100% legal
my insurance pays 80%!!!
ain't no fuckin around with the liver...its not like ur testes were you can bring them back...you can get permanent damage from orals...
Always make sure you take within a controlled and realistic dosage and consume liver protection (rALA, NAC, Milk Thisle, Cranberry)
Always make sure you take within a controlled and realistic dosage and consume liver protection (rALA, NAC, Milk Thisle, Cranberry)
digit0x
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with liver, by the time you are jaundice or having tarry stool......
too late
Yea I'm shitting blood. Wasn't much at first just ignored it, but its getting worse.... gonna go into doc. I don't normally drink when I'm on besides a beer with dinner occasionally. I just started cycle barely 10 days of dbol and seems to be bad. Dunno if its my liver or intestine infection or ulcer from drinking too much (which isn't really even that much). I'm fairly certain its intestinal, but curious if anyone has had problems with dbol this quickly in the past. And would dbol exacerbate the problem? I have already stopped doses, but I really want to continue.
Ideas...? thx
digit0x
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HRT prolly? I want that ....
with liver, by the time you are jaundice or having tarry stool......
too late
With jaundice you have very light, clay coloured stool due to the absence of bilirubin which gives the skin the yellow colour.
What do you mean too late? I had jaundice from oral steroid induced cholestasis and I came back ok. It took over 2 months and I went through living hell, but I made it.
As per my last previous post, Dbol causes cholestasis of the liver. It prevents bile flow therefore your stool will be light or clay coloured. Your urine will be dark because your body is trying to get rid of excess bilirubin. At this stage you'll also have jaundice, and more than likely pruritus which is a systemic itch you can't get rid of...it's living hell.
If you have liver damage from dbol, it's unlikely you'd be asking here as you would have been feeling so sick you would have visited your doctor by now. I found that it took very little time to go from the first warning signs to being very ill.
I very much doubt you'd have any liver damage after only 10 days of dbol use unless you were extremely susceptible. I must say however, that more recently I started to get the first signs of cholestasis from only 2 days on Tylenol, so you never know. Perhaps my previous illness from dbol has left my liver more susceptible to other stuff too.
Where you using the acetaminophen when you were on the Oxandrolone?
I'm asking because I have never seen liver enzymes (ALT,AST,GGT) elevated from only 40mg Anavar.
Actually, even if your liver is 75% dead, it can still repair itself.
The one organ to really watch out for when using AAS is the kidneys. (BUN and creatinine)
LiquidPhire
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good luck bro 
layinback
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my liver enzymes were not elevated on oxandrolone. my LHD was fucked.
my enzymes were elevated on stanozol.
layinback
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too late..... you have incurred some damage. not too late, you're dead.
i had drug induced hepatitis when i was a teenager. ( pills and booze )
jaundice as a bitch but full recovery.
two friends of mine almost died from liver damage as a result of bad abuse of oral aas, specifically dbols....what you get when you're a noob and have no knowledge of aas, PCT and ways to protect yourself...Everyone should get a membership on EF and learn some shit!
I don't follow you. Are you saying that if a person has drug induced cholestasis there is permanent damage?
For me, although my condition was bad, my liver enzymes are all back to normal again, including the crucial indicator - bilirubin.
As far as I know, the damage from my particular condition is fully reversible. I'd love to see any research indicating to the contrary because I haven't seen any yet.
Many functions of the liver are still a mystery to scientists. The exact mechanism of how c17 alkylated oral steroids affect bile flow is still one of those mysteries as far as I know. I haven't done any reseach on this for a few years, so perhaps there have been some new findings?? Due to the fact that I decided never to use oral steroids again, I haven't been actively researching the subject.
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mrribbit
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Very true bro!! Now if we could only get everyone to listen to us.....instead of saying I'm turning into the hulk overnight and not thinking about the sides or pottential damage that could be done to your system.
littleb
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lol, read allllll my past posts,, i been saying for years that orals are not worth it,,,,,,,, and bros have said dont worry abouit it the liver heals itself,,,,,,, and bros on dbol for 8 weeks,,,,,,,, this is why we have a bad name,, this is why big brother is on our back,, reaserch b4 you do anything to your body for christs sake........
i could rant all day about this, but do no good.......
i could rant all day about this, but do no good.......
layinback
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from my understanding there is a certain amount of scar tissue with cholestasis.
yes, it is reversible as are the benign tumors that sometimes form during
alk 17 administration. all i'm saying is this, the liver can only take so much.
at a certain point it will say, "fuck you."
you've had a close call. you've experienced liver problems. this is a steroid
board and underage kids flock to these sites. most of them are afraid of
needles and they are looking for a *magic* pill to get big muscles. i am
entrusted with an elite mentor position and my first priority is to protect
these kids from misinformation \ casual attitude about potentially lethal
drugs. oral androgenic anobolic steroids can be damaging and or lethal.
most of these kids aren't thinking about consequences..........
lookinfit75
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On my next cycle I am planning on running Dbol and I was wondering if you'd mind posting up what dosages you would suggest to run the liver protecting supps in order to maximize protection.
You could take your liver out, play an NFL game with it, rinse it off, put it back in and you'd be in GTG in 2 weeks.
I ran enough drugs and alcohol thru mine for any 5 of you. It's built to last.
I ran enough drugs and alcohol thru mine for any 5 of you. It's built to last.
Good luck. A while back I wrote a more detailed story about my bout with cholestasis and how I went through hell and back, and all I got was a shit kicking from people who don't wish to believe how lethal these drugs can be. They tried to tell me that I must be a particularly susceptible individual with a weak liver and that I was an exception.
I give up, you can continue the crusade talking to the deaf and blind. I'm out.
cobracock1979
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HalfCent - u crack me up!
My liver has also had a massive kicking over the years
My liver has also had a massive kicking over the years
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I made Hunter Stockton Thompson look like Mary Fuckin' Poppins!
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Hey This the STEROID FORUM!!!
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Orals are just plain toxic. I will never understand why anyone persuing bodybuilding as a lifestyle or hobbie would ever take an oral AAS.
Bottom line: why take the risk?
lookinfit75
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RFLAO! I've punished my liver too although not as long as you .50cent. Thank goodness I have orals to help keep the tradition alive LOL.
Alcatraz, how about that SUPP cocktail to help keep the liver safe plz.
Black or tarry = upper GI bleed, like peptic ulcer or 1st/2nd part of small bowel
Red = lower GI bleed or massive upper GI bleed
On the contrary, a brisk bleed or an oozing vessel can be fatal...
I have suffered some liver damage due to alcohol - 5-10% damage, no cirhosis. The doctor told me it would repair itself over a long period of time. Time is the key - if you continue to abuse any "substance" liver damge will occur. Orals have a bad rap because most injectables cause major damage as well --- it all passes thorugh your liver eventually.
Roc86
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True Story: A bro who I went to school with 9he doesnt use AAS) was in an auto wreck --> his liver was mashed potatoes and hemoragged; therefore, 80% of his liver was surgiucally removed. Shockingly enough @ either 2 or 3 years (I forget which) while getting a checkup on his liver it was discovered that it had regenerated to 100% of its original size and function.
The liver is resiliant as hell BUT THE KIDNEYS ARE NOT. A strained liver = strained kidneys ussually, so thats what id worry about.
But half assed responsible AAS use IMO truly shouldnt offer any problems.
The liver is resiliant as hell BUT THE KIDNEYS ARE NOT. A strained liver = strained kidneys ussually, so thats what id worry about.
But half assed responsible AAS use IMO truly shouldnt offer any problems.
If that little story about your buddy's auto accident makes you feel that your liver is bulletproof, then go ahead and believe it, but what you should realise is that physical trauma cannot be related to functional disease. It would be like comparing skin cancer to a cut on the skin.
Did you ever stop to consider why oral anabolics are never recommended for use for longer than 8 weeks max?
I'll tell you why. It's because going over that length of time is dangerous. There are scientific reasons for this advice...it's not hocus pocus. People actually get sick, very sick and some even die.
Unfortunately you won't hear from many people on here who have had liver damage from using oral anabolics. One severe liver accident is usually enough to keep them from going back for more and it's unlikely they'll be posting on a steroid forum.
There's also a degree of shame associated with sickness from oral abuse. Why would they come on here and have all the pompous disbelievers telling them they were idiots for not following the correct dosage protocols.
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Beeep..."This is a recording, no two people are alike with AAS, or most other things, you can not generalize."
Start low and see how it goes.
Signs of Liver stress are pale stools (beige shit) yellowish tint to the whites of your eyes or skin. But before any of that, you will probably feel like shit in general.
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Those are not signs of liver stress. Those are signs of shutdown. By the time you have pale stools and yellow skin and eyes you're already in the jaundice stage and most likely not training anymore. Your bilirubin levels are already through the roof at that stage, you won't be digesting much fat and feeling like shit...and losing weight rapidly.
Signs of liver stress are elevated levels of bilirubin, ALP, AST, ALT and most likely blood sugar. You need to catch it long before you notice jaundice. If you notice any intense itching, especially on the hands and feet, stop taking orals immediately and see a doctor. This will occur just before you start going yellow.
My pruritus (itching) took 2 months to subside AFTER I stopped taking orals, so prepare yourself for living hell. Imagine waking up with bleeding scabs all over your feet from scatching...if you can sleep at all that is. Because your liver is fucked at that stage, you can't take regular sleeping tablets. I had to use tranquilizers which keep me asleep for maybe 3 or 4 hours tops....and then another 20 hours of scatching an itch which doesn't go away. Trust me on this, pruritus is far worse than pain and relentless. People have suicided because of it.
Good luck!
Roc86
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^bro, I wasnt implying the liver is bullset proff to AAS use. Simply that if one makes a mistake and compromisises your liver it is arguably the most efficient organ in your body to regenerate and resume normal functioning.
Im read the baldnazi stories, I know its for real.
IMO you should never use orals for more than 12 weeks out of the year (6 weeks @ a time with ample break in between @ moderate dosages).
A common trait ive noticed has been that most of the horror stories past and present regarding oral induced liver problems (tumors etc) have always been with anadrol or dbol. Apparaently this is due to the estrogen- which in excess anywhere can make tumors benign or malignant proliferate @ much higher rates.
Im happy with my frame/size naturally so im never going to "blow up" with crazy bulkers, so when I incorporate orals into cycles ill most likely stick with the likes of Tbol for kickstarts and Anavar for cutting.
Im read the baldnazi stories, I know its for real.
IMO you should never use orals for more than 12 weeks out of the year (6 weeks @ a time with ample break in between @ moderate dosages).
A common trait ive noticed has been that most of the horror stories past and present regarding oral induced liver problems (tumors etc) have always been with anadrol or dbol. Apparaently this is due to the estrogen- which in excess anywhere can make tumors benign or malignant proliferate @ much higher rates.
Im happy with my frame/size naturally so im never going to "blow up" with crazy bulkers, so when I incorporate orals into cycles ill most likely stick with the likes of Tbol for kickstarts and Anavar for cutting.
Read my question bro - I didnt ask how much my liver could take, Im asking about all these stories posted in this thread - how much did these people take?
Cholestasis can indeed be lethal. Cholestasis is the primary risk of taking c17 alkylated steroids, not tumors etc. The shutdown has nothing to do with estrogen, but the way the liver handles c17 alkylated compounds.
