Listen I carry a gym bag around with me everywhere I go..I counted at work the other day how many different supplements there were: 27!! I've used everything u can think of..I love hcgenerate but the best in my opinion WAS gear..started a beast cycle a week ago and can honestly say it is hands down the best supp I've ever used..beast and gear top my list..8.5 lbs in 7 days on beast!! It is serious!! I love ntbm products in general and use them for the most part..for other companies, unleashed is a great product, forma is good, and I have tried so many preworkouts but I've had the most success with bullnox..