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SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY
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RG- You're a wealth of knowledge Brother... great thread.
However, noone has mentioned 'agression' as a side yet. IMO the behavioral side effects of the AAS I use are of paramount importance. I had to call off my most recent cycle(6 weeks)early, right before the Tren stage, because the unreasonable sensitivity that developed was causing me some personal problems.
For the Brothers who have used a VARIETY of AAS... how does 75mg/ED of Tren compare to 500mg/EW of Test or 100mg/ED of Winstrol with respect to agression? I have no experience with Tren, I'd like to get some input.
Peace,
Scott.
However, noone has mentioned 'agression' as a side yet. IMO the behavioral side effects of the AAS I use are of paramount importance. I had to call off my most recent cycle(6 weeks)early, right before the Tren stage, because the unreasonable sensitivity that developed was causing me some personal problems.
For the Brothers who have used a VARIETY of AAS... how does 75mg/ED of Tren compare to 500mg/EW of Test or 100mg/ED of Winstrol with respect to agression? I have no experience with Tren, I'd like to get some input.
Peace,
Scott.
Ulter gave some good info in regard to low dose anavar but I would like to remind you all of my liver values while I was on 50 of var per day.........they were much worse then when I was on tren alone.
My Lipid profile was also VERY shitty.
But after reading Ulters reply I would have to say that that winstrol is worse than anavar at least at low doses(and then probably ay higher doses too).
Yet at BODYBUILDING doses, for MEN, I do not think Anavar is that benign as evidenced by my lipid profile and liver enyzmes while "on" var alone.
Grant it they would probably have been even worse on winny alone but I have yet to test this hormone alone.
REALGAINS LIVER ENYZMES ON ANAVAR 50 per day alone after week Four.
AST 120.......Normals 10 -36
ALT 110 ....normals 10-55
GGT 79 .....normals 0-50
WHILE ON 50 or tren per day after week 4
AST 50
ALT 40
GGT 10
*********No change in creatinine and BUN(kidney function tests)
LIPID PROFILE after week 4 of VAR alone....far worse than the liver enzymes BTW
Total cholesterol 245!!!!!!!! should be less than 180 with 160 or less as ideal
Hdl to total cholesterol ratio.. 15 to 1 !!!!!! Absoluteley terrible and my doc had a COW!
LIPID PROFILE while on TREN alone at 50mg per week and after week 4
Total cholesterol 202...not the greatest but much better than while on anavar
Ratio was 6 to 1......again not the greatest but much better than with the var alone.
True we all react a little differently to various steroids but the difference isn't that great. I will never use avavar again as it is simply too expensive, too mild anabolically and it was not nice to my liver or lipid profile.
RG
My Lipid profile was also VERY shitty.
But after reading Ulters reply I would have to say that that winstrol is worse than anavar at least at low doses(and then probably ay higher doses too).
Yet at BODYBUILDING doses, for MEN, I do not think Anavar is that benign as evidenced by my lipid profile and liver enyzmes while "on" var alone.
Grant it they would probably have been even worse on winny alone but I have yet to test this hormone alone.
REALGAINS LIVER ENYZMES ON ANAVAR 50 per day alone after week Four.
AST 120.......Normals 10 -36
ALT 110 ....normals 10-55
GGT 79 .....normals 0-50
WHILE ON 50 or tren per day after week 4
AST 50
ALT 40
GGT 10
*********No change in creatinine and BUN(kidney function tests)
LIPID PROFILE after week 4 of VAR alone....far worse than the liver enzymes BTW
Total cholesterol 245!!!!!!!! should be less than 180 with 160 or less as ideal
Hdl to total cholesterol ratio.. 15 to 1 !!!!!! Absoluteley terrible and my doc had a COW!
LIPID PROFILE while on TREN alone at 50mg per week and after week 4
Total cholesterol 202...not the greatest but much better than while on anavar
Ratio was 6 to 1......again not the greatest but much better than with the var alone.
True we all react a little differently to various steroids but the difference isn't that great. I will never use avavar again as it is simply too expensive, too mild anabolically and it was not nice to my liver or lipid profile.
RG
Fukkenshredded
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Ok, couple of things to consider.
First of all, as mentioned above, tren does elevate BP. It does so for the reason posted above as well as a result of blood volumizing. This increase in BP can cause kidney problems in some users if there is a predisposition to such a condition.
Secondly, winstrol and oxandrolone are not equally toxic in equal doses. Winstrol is more toxic, and it acts on the body in a different way than oxandrolone does. It also has a more negative and profound impact on the HDL/LDL ratio.
Thirdly, haloteston is more hepatotoxic than anadrol, by a pretty good margin. Anadrol can cause some problems pretty quickly, as stated by Realgains (his reasons are correct), but in terms of liver damage, halo is worse.
Lastly, tren causes the body to lose a little efficacy for receptor binding to testosterone. In other words, test is not quite as effective in the presence of tren. Not a huge difference, but a difference nonetheless.
Tren is the ULTIMATE anticatabolic, followed by winstrol. Tren is the most effective anticatabolic steroid and will preserve muscle even in a calorie deficit more so than any other steroid, although winstrol has a unique anticatabolic mechanism that is also very effective.
The rapid loss of size after tren is due to the blood volume returning to normal levels.
First of all, as mentioned above, tren does elevate BP. It does so for the reason posted above as well as a result of blood volumizing. This increase in BP can cause kidney problems in some users if there is a predisposition to such a condition.
Secondly, winstrol and oxandrolone are not equally toxic in equal doses. Winstrol is more toxic, and it acts on the body in a different way than oxandrolone does. It also has a more negative and profound impact on the HDL/LDL ratio.
Thirdly, haloteston is more hepatotoxic than anadrol, by a pretty good margin. Anadrol can cause some problems pretty quickly, as stated by Realgains (his reasons are correct), but in terms of liver damage, halo is worse.
Lastly, tren causes the body to lose a little efficacy for receptor binding to testosterone. In other words, test is not quite as effective in the presence of tren. Not a huge difference, but a difference nonetheless.
Tren is the ULTIMATE anticatabolic, followed by winstrol. Tren is the most effective anticatabolic steroid and will preserve muscle even in a calorie deficit more so than any other steroid, although winstrol has a unique anticatabolic mechanism that is also very effective.
The rapid loss of size after tren is due to the blood volume returning to normal levels.
I haven't done a cycle yet because I'm afraid of the effects it may have on my HPTA. I would think that the WORST side effect would be any kind of impotence or impaired sexual performance... What's the point of having a great body if you can't fuck?
Every time I read a post about someone saying that their libido or sexual performance hasn't been the same since AAS it makes me think twice.
Even though RG says that the effects on HPTA are uncommon, should I be more worried because my natural test level is pretty low, like 325?
Every time I read a post about someone saying that their libido or sexual performance hasn't been the same since AAS it makes me think twice.
Even though RG says that the effects on HPTA are uncommon, should I be more worried because my natural test level is pretty low, like 325?
geoboy
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Fukkenshredded said:
WHAT??????????????
I haven't tried tren yet, but everything i've read on it says the gains are very keepable lean mass real muscle gains.
which makes sense since what would be purpose of giving a cow something to up his blood volume if it's not actually increasing amount of meat you'll be able to sell?
which is it?
