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Letro for tren gyno or not

Vascular Freak

Vascular Freak

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running 200mg prop/100mg tren/150mg masteron eod with 75 mg proviron. the first 4 weeks was just test and 4-6 tren. now my nips are getting a little puffy, not sore or anything but puffy (i already have puberty gyno/puffy nips). i know caber or dost is the best but i have letro... is letro really effective with tren or will the dosage i need kill to much estro in the process??
 
If prolactin is the problem, which it sounds like it is - I think prolactin build-up is what causes the puffy nipples - then you need bromocriptine or dostinex.

I am trying to figure out if the sides are different for prolactin versus estrogen problems. I think they are too. For instance, I think it is prolactin that causes puffiness - I know it is what causes dark/black fluid to leak out of the nips.
 
jon79 said:
dark black fluid wtf?
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Prolactin can cause a black liquid to squeeze out of your nips a little when there is a surplus of the stuff. I thin the liquid in question can be greenish, white, etc. Not really sure. I just know that numerous colors of the rainbow are represented.
 
georgie24 said:
Quick answer for tRen gyno

Bromo = YES
Nolva = yes
letro = NO!
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Nolva is a no. Nolva is the worst drug for combating gyno, especially if it isn't estrogen related adn even then I'd go with something else. If I were on only nolva I'd be worried.
 
well have it handy

the only thing that halped with my NPP gyno rampage was bromo+ nolva

even after surgery i still get gyno just as fast
 
Is there a difference in the way estrogen vs prolactin/progesetone gyno presents itself? I had read that prolactin/progesterone gyno cause the nipples/areola to get puffy while estrogen induced gyno caused a lump underneath the nipple area? I got a small case of it this time while running Test prop/Tren Ace @ 100mg/75mg ED plus HCG weekly. I thought it was because of the Tren - but now I am not so sure. I didn't have puffy nips just a small lump on both sides right to the outside of the nipple area. Got it before with Test/Deca/Tren combo a couple of years ago. I've been taking Letro @ 1.25mg ED and it is shrinking the size and sensitivity of the lumps better than Arimidex @ .5mg ED seemed to be doing.
 
yup my prolactin/prog levels must be up a bit because the aeriola part of the nip is puffy like a there its full of water....my estro is not up thats for sure since i am using 400mg masteron, 75mg proviron and just started 2mg letro....my estro is too low i can feel that i am weaker in the gym and recovery is worse but it will have to be that way till middle of next week when i can get some dostinex.
 
Vascular Freak said:
yup my prolactin/prog levels must be up a bit because the aeriola part of the nip is puffy like a there its full of water....my estro is not up thats for sure since i am using 400mg masteron, 75mg proviron and just started 2mg letro....my estro is too low i can feel that i am weaker in the gym and recovery is worse but it will have to be that way till middle of next week when i can get some dostinex.
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Check this shit out dude: I once went to the doc at a walk-in clinic and told him what I had done. I told him what I had taken, what it had all converted to and what I needed him to prescribe me in order to fix it. You know what he told me? Here's a prescription for bromocriptine. To be fair, he was hip to it all I think. But I got my script and man alive did I ever that guy for it - prescription insurance covered it and everything.

Another option: After doing some reasearch, some prolactin-lowering drugs can also be prescribed for depression. I was originally going to ask the doc for some selegiline since it is also used for depression in certain caises though not ordinarily (tell him you have a history of it, heard it works and want to try it). Actually, I would probably level about the gyno and tell him it is depressing you and that something like selegiline will help with both. And also tell him to prescribe you the bromocriptine to help bring your blood pressure down cause it can do that as well. lol. Sounds funny but that shit can work.
 
which is better bromo..dost... or caber??? as far as sides, effectiveness, and cost?? i will only be running the tren for another 1-2 weeks then switching to prop/primo/t3/var so i might just ride it out...the masteron and proviron seem to help a little and i am using vitex/chasteberry before bed as well...maybe i should start up the b6????
 
Vascular Freak said:
which is better bromo..dost... or caber??? as far as sides, effectiveness, and cost?? i will only be running the tren for another 1-2 weeks then switching to prop/primo/t3/var so i might just ride it out...the masteron and proviron seem to help a little and i am using vitex/chasteberry before bed as well...maybe i should start up the b6????
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lol. You got balls dude. Bromo is cheapest, though I gather cabaser is realtively cheap as well - I think it is still dostinex just a different brand. My understanding is Cabergoline is the more expensive manufacturer. I could have that mixed up though - dostinex might be the company's name for it.
I would drop the fina now since it takes a few days to clear your system (assuming your are using an acetate ester). And then who knows how long your prolactin will stay elevated beyond that - could be months.

Bromo has the harshest sides by far - nausea and headaches. They suck but they go away after a few days and it is worth sticking it out. I don't think dostinex has any of those sides and is much gentler. Vitex/B6/chesteberry are cheap but I have never heard of them actually working. Vitex and chasteberry aren't working for you from the sounds of things and I don't think adding in B6 will do a damn thing.
 
Nathan said:
lol. You got balls dude. Bromo is cheapest, though I gather cabaser is realtively cheap as well - I think it is still dostinex just a different brand. My understanding is Cabergoline is the more expensive manufacturer. I could have that mixed up though - dostinex might be the company's name for it.
I would drop the fina now since it takes a few days to clear your system (assuming your are using an acetate ester). And then who knows how long your prolactin will stay elevated beyond that - could be months.

Bromo has the harshest sides by far - nausea and headaches. They suck but they go away after a few days and it is worth sticking it out. I don't think dostinex has any of those sides and is much gentler. Vitex/B6/chesteberry are cheap but I have never heard of them actually working. Vitex and chasteberry aren't working for you from the sounds of things and I don't think adding in B6 will do a damn thing.
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Nathan what do you recommend for me as far as anti e for the tren,

and will that hinder my gains at all? What dosage should I take because my nipples usually get sore and puffy when on cycle and I take nolva to stop it so I guess im prone to gyno, I also sometimes can squeeze just a little little bit of white stuff out. My nipples dont look like bitch tits or anything and nobody can notice it. I just notice it because they are sore sometimes and look a little puffy to me when not hard.

What are your suggestions

I have taken tren before at 50mg a day with no problems and was taking nolva at 20mg ed. I want to bump it up this time but I wonder if I something else would be a better fit..
 
Nathan said:
lol. You got balls dude. Bromo is cheapest, though I gather cabaser is realtively cheap as well - I think it is still dostinex just a different brand. My understanding is Cabergoline is the more expensive manufacturer. I could have that mixed up though - dostinex might be the company's name for it.
I would drop the fina now since it takes a few days to clear your system (assuming your are using an acetate ester). And then who knows how long your prolactin will stay elevated beyond that - could be months.

Bromo has the harshest sides by far - nausea and headaches. They suck but they go away after a few days and it is worth sticking it out. I don't think dostinex has any of those sides and is much gentler. Vitex/B6/chesteberry are cheap but I have never heard of them actually working. Vitex and chasteberry aren't working for you from the sounds of things and I don't think adding in B6 will do a damn thing.
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well i guess i might just get some dostinex overnighted to me then because this tren is just to good to stop now!!
 
Vascular Freak said:
well i guess i might just get some dostinex overnighted to me then because this tren is just to good to stop now!!
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I'm in the same boat bro. I'm taking dbol/prov/mast/tren. I got some knots in my nips, that's for sure. Not sure how long dos takes to start working cause I started .2 ed along with 2.5 letro and aromasin or AIFM at night. Sometimes it seems to get a little better. I think it has to do with the timing of all the shit I'm taking. I'm trying to figure it all out.
 
Nathan said:
lol. You got balls dude. Bromo is cheapest, though I gather cabaser is realtively cheap as well - I think it is still dostinex just a different brand. My understanding is Cabergoline is the more expensive manufacturer. I could have that mixed up though - dostinex might be the company's name for it.
I would drop the fina now since it takes a few days to clear your system (assuming your are using an acetate ester). And then who knows how long your prolactin will stay elevated beyond that - could be months.

Bromo has the harshest sides by far - nausea and headaches. They suck but they go away after a few days and it is worth sticking it out. I don't think dostinex has any of those sides and is much gentler. Vitex/B6/chesteberry are cheap but I have never heard of them actually working. Vitex and chasteberry aren't working for you from the sounds of things and I don't think adding in B6 will do a damn thing.
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Dostinex works very well and should be a top choice
 
From my experience - Letro is the way to go. Start of with .5mg and work your way up to 2.5mg. Keep it there until the gyno subsides and work the dosage back down again. If you get the Letro liquid, 1 squirt equals .25mg. Start with 2 squirts day one than 2 squirts in the morning and night day two, then 3 squirts day 3 in the morning and night, 4 squirts in the morning and night day 4 until you get to 5 squirts morning and night day 5 for 2.5mg per day. Keep it here until your gyno goes away (at least most of it). Could take a couple of weeks but you should notice a difference. Once it goes down as much as you think it will, back down the dosage from 10 squirts a day->8 squirts a day - > 6 squirts day - >4 squirts a day-> 2 squirts a day -> done.
 
gjohnson5 said:
Nolva will make tren gyno worse not better. Letro will lower progesterone and estrogen so it is a good chioce for some. Nolva will make progesterone receptors more sensitive , thus making gyno worse
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good stuff G-5
 
Good post going here guys.
I got a little bit of gyno from tren and it was the hard bb sized lumps. Never got any puffiness.
I started using letro to see if it would help. It seemed to stop it from getting worse but didn't seem to get rid of it. It might have if I would of stuck w/ it longer but my tren run was almost over so I just dropped it.
Next time I will have dost. on hand just in case.
 
cdownie927 said:
Nathan what do you recommend for me as far as anti e for the tren,

and will that hinder my gains at all? What dosage should I take because my nipples usually get sore and puffy when on cycle and I take nolva to stop it so I guess im prone to gyno, I also sometimes can squeeze just a little little bit of white stuff out. My nipples dont look like bitch tits or anything and nobody can notice it. I just notice it because they are sore sometimes and look a little puffy to me when not hard.

What are your suggestions

I have taken tren before at 50mg a day with no problems and was taking nolva at 20mg ed. I want to bump it up this time but I wonder if I something else would be a better fit..
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dostinex or bromo in conjunction with letrozole seems to be the best combo from what I can tell.
 
Ok take my advice as you wish

i have had GYNO and have had the surgery.

im not " guessing" or " speculating" what will work and wont and try to mix and match theories
 
Not trying to diss your experience , but a good reason for the gyno surgery was your nolva use aggravated estrogen related gyno when using progestins (tren / deca)

http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=8bdc295839cbfb2378f0b3089628ceb5
Regular Article

Effects of Tamoxifen on Steroid Hormone Receptors and Hormone Concentration and the Results of DNA Analysis by Flow Cytometry in Endometrial Carcinoma*1

Marin Nola M.D., Ph.D., Stanko JukiImage M.D., Ph.D., Jadranka IliImage-Forko M.D., Ph.D., Damir BabiImage M.D., Ph.D., Branka UImageareviImage Ph.D., Mladen PetroveImageki M.D., Ph.D., Ernest Suchanek Ph.D., SnjeImageana Imagekrablin M.D., Ph.D., SnjeImageana DotliImage and Matko MaruImageiImage M.D., Ph.D.

Department of Gynecological and Perinatal Pathology, Department of Gynecology and Obstetrics, Department of Clinical Laboratory Diagnosis, University Hospital and School of Medicine, Zagreb, Croatia

Received 1 April 1998. Available online 1 April 2002.


Abstract

Objectives.Tamoxifen is a nonsteroidal triphenylethylene derivate with a predominant antiestrogen activity, used in the endocrine treatment of breast and endometrial cancer. It is not known which endometrial carcinomas will respond favorably to tamoxifen and which ones will not. The aim of this study was to find out whether tamoxifen has an effect on hormone steroid receptors, hormone concentration, DNA content, and proliferative activity in endometrial cancer and to correlate the tamoxifen-induced changes with pathologic parameters such as clinical stage, tumor differentiation, depth of invasion, and histologic type.

Methods.Thirty postmenopausal women with endometrial carcinoma were treated with 30 mg of tamoxifen daily for 7–10 days after curettage. Steroid hormone receptors (estrogen and progesterone receptors), levels of follicle-stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, prolactin, estradiol, progesterone, testosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate, sex hormone binding globulin, and DNA ploidy and proliferative activity were determined before and after therapy. The patients were also divided into favorable and unfavorable prognosis groups according to classical histological parameters. The patients in the favorable group consisted of patients with stage I disease, well and moderately differentiated tumors, favorable histologic type, and a depth of myometrial invasion of less than Image. The patients with only one of the unfavorable parameters (clinical stage II or III, poorly differentiated tumors, unfavorable histologic types, and deeper invasion of myometrium) were included in the unfavorable prognosis group.

Results.After the treatment, there was a net increase in the progesterone receptors and sex hormone binding globulin and a significant decrease in the estrogen receptors. The increase in progesterone receptors and decrease in estrogen receptors occurred in the patient group with favorable prognosis regarding histologic type, degree of differentiation, and clinical stage, but also in the unfavorable prognosis group regarding the depth of myometrial invasion. Statistically significant decrease in the follicle-stimulating hormone concentration was observed in the groups with favorable prognosis regarding histologic type, depth of myometrial invasion, and grade of differentiation. Concentration of sex hormone binding globulin was significantly increased in groups with favorable prognosis if histologic type and grade of differentiation were taken into account. On the other hand, there was a significant decrease in the concentration of luteinizing hormone in the group with unfavorable histologic type and also a decrease in progesterone concentration in patients with unfavorable prognosis regarding the grade of differentiation. There was no statistical significance either in the concentrations of other hormones measured or in the DNA analysis by flow cytometry.

Conclusions.Our results revealed that tamoxifen can increase progesterone receptors and decrease estrogen receptors in endometrial cancer. The effect was most pronounced in tumors with favorable clinicopathologic parameters. We conclude that tamoxifen therapy can induce progesterone receptor synthesis even in tumors with low initial progesterone receptor levels, making such tumors potentially responsive to additional hormonal therapy with progesterone.

*1 Fox, HWells, M




georgie24 said:
Ok take my advice as you wish

i have had GYNO and have had the surgery.

im not " guessing" or " speculating" what will work and wont and try to mix and match theories
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If bromo or dostinex is being used, then how can the nolva possibly be keeping the problem going on? I woul dhave thought the effects of brom owould far outweigh whatver the nolva is doing to your progresterone levels.

Not to play devil's advocate because all I am after is the truth, but the study doesn't seem all that applicable to most cases we are discussing who do use compounds to combat progesterone-related sides. I find it hard to believe nolva can single-handedly offset bromo or dostinex use.
 
I think we're talkin gabout 2 separate problems

1. progestins in some people raise prolactin sides
2. Progesterone elevation due to nolva use

Some people mix and match prolactin and progestin but I think we need should make sure that we are being clear and make the distinction.

The problems are separate and if one is seeing prolactin elevation due to progestin use , then I agree that the article has nothing to do with that situation

Nathan said:
If bromo or dostinex is being used, then how can the nolva possibly be keeping the problem going on? I woul dhave thought the effects of brom owould far outweigh whatver the nolva is doing to your progresterone levels.

Not to play devil's advocate because all I am after is the truth, but the study doesn't seem all that applicable to most cases we are discussing who do use compounds to combat progesterone-related sides. I find it hard to believe nolva can single-handedly offset bromo or dostinex use.
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gjohnson5 said:
I think we're talkin gabout 2 separate problems

1. progestins in some people raise prolactin sides
2. Progesterone elevation due to nolva use

Some people mix and match prolactin and progestin but I think we need should make sure that we are being clear and make the distinction.

The problems are separate and if one is seeing prolactin elevation due to progestin use , then I agree that the article has nothing to do with that situation
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I hear you but does progesterone cause gyno by itself? I was under the impression that it doesn't and one needs to worry more about prolactin and estrogen levels.
 
gjohnson5 said:
I would suspect libido would drop like a rock. So now I wonder how much of the "tren dick" and "deca dick" were folks using nolva thinking they were helping themselves out...
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i'm using tren and test prop and am like an animal with the pole....when normally mild things like eq and letro etc kill it so quick....the tren just makes the sex more aggressive haha ok enough of that
 
krishna said:
How long does it take to work? Ain't doin shit for me yet.
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That I'm not sure. I take it at the beginning of a deca or tren cycle and take it all the way through the finish for 2-3 months. I would suspect that it will work within 2-3 weeks maybe sooner, but that's a guess.
What brand and dosage are you taking?
 
Nathan said:
Check this shit out dude: I once went to the doc at a walk-in clinic and told him what I had done. I told him what I had taken, what it had all converted to and what I needed him to prescribe me in order to fix it. You know what he told me? Here's a prescription for bromocriptine. To be fair, he was hip to it all I think. But I got my script and man alive did I ever that guy for it - prescription insurance covered it and everything.

Another option: After doing some reasearch, some prolactin-lowering drugs can also be prescribed for depression. I was originally going to ask the doc for some selegiline since it is also used for depression in certain caises though not ordinarily (tell him you have a history of it, heard it works and want to try it). Actually, I would probably level about the gyno and tell him it is depressing you and that something like selegiline will help with both. And also tell him to prescribe you the bromocriptine to help bring your blood pressure down cause it can do that as well. lol. Sounds funny but that shit can work.
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that's interesting Nathan that bromo will lower your blood pressure and help with prolactin levels. I didn't know that, but will remember next time I see my doc about my bp.
 
Letro kills everyone libido. Some say it's worthless to them because of that
Some libido increases with dostinex whereas I took it and had no such luck (was using cabaser)

It depends on the person

Vascular Freak said:
i'm using tren and test prop and am like an animal with the pole....when normally mild things like eq and letro etc kill it so quick....the tren just makes the sex more aggressive haha ok enough of that
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gjohnson5 said:
Letro kills everyone libido. Some say it's worthless to them because of that
Some libido increases with dostinex whereas I took it and had no such luck (was using cabaser)

It depends on the person
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letro kills everything for me...especially strength and pumps....i won't touch it now...would rather plan my cycle around it.
 
Yeah Letro seems to be shrinking the size of the gyno lumps but makes me much more lethargic during the day and my libido is just about gone. Also, I don't seem to have as much energy at the gym. I think I am going to back off of it to see what happens.
 
i am currently on test prop 100mg and tren ace 75mg eod with 50mg of winstrol ed.

This is week 3 and i have seen some gyno show up a bit. My chest seems to be widening out and my nips are a bit pointy.

Both of my shoulders have been popping lately and also have been in a little pain.

I have been running the following with this cycle:

Aromasin 20mg
Proviron 50mg
AIFM 2 pumps daily

I just started letrozole today.

I cant get my hands on cabaser so that is why i do not have it.

Will the letro help? Should i stop the cycle for now and see what the problems are with my shoulders?
 
You are on quite a bit of AI's

The only thing you are not doing is lowering prolactin , so I would think that tren elevating proactin may be what's causing your gyno.

Get some 4mg cabaser tabs

bmcadoo44 said:
i am currently on test prop 100mg and tren ace 75mg eod with 50mg of winstrol ed.

This is week 3 and i have seen some gyno show up a bit. My chest seems to be widening out and my nips are a bit pointy.

Both of my shoulders have been popping lately and also have been in a little pain.

I have been running the following with this cycle:

Aromasin 20mg
Proviron 50mg
AIFM 2 pumps daily

I just started letrozole today.

I cant get my hands on cabaser so that is why i do not have it.

Will the letro help? Should i stop the cycle for now and see what the problems are with my shoulders?
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i am starting to think the puffy nips i got for a bit with tren was cause from dropping 75mg winstrol that i was using with the tren...i dropped the winstrol in week 5 and got a little rebound effect....because everything is fine now and i am still suing tren prop masteron and proviron and have nothing but muscle swole!!!
 
gjohnson5 said:
You are on quite a bit of AI's

The only thing you are not doing is lowering prolactin , so I would think that tren elevating proactin may be what's causing your gyno.

Get some 4mg cabaser tabs
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what dose of cabaser per day?
 
gjohnson5 said:
dostinex comes in .5mg tablets.
Cabaser (which is a generic drug) comes in 1 , 2 ,and 4 mg pills.

The only difference is larger doses aren't available in the US. They are both a drug called Cabergoline. Cabaser maintenance dosage is 2 - 6mg / day
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Are you sure the "maintenance" dosage is 2-6mg per day? I have read that the maintenance dosage is .5mg e3d?

I could be wrong but, 2-6mg/day seems like a lot.
 
Yes...

The usual prescribed dosage is 2-6mgs

http://xpil.medicines.org.uk/ViewPil.aspx?DocID=11198

You should normally take your medicine once each day, preferably with a meal. You will usually start on a low dose of Cabaser (1 mg), which will then be slowly increased. Meanwhile, your doctor may tell you to reduce the dose of your other medicines. The usual maintenance dose of Cabaser is 2 to 6 mg daily. Your doctor will decide the best dose for you to continue on. The label on the bottle will tell you exactly how many tablets to take and how often. Sometimes your doctor may tell you to break the tablets in half so you can take the exact amount needed.


tshoot said:
Are you sure the "maintenance" dosage is 2-6mg per day? I have read that the maintenance dosage is .5mg e3d?

I could be wrong but, 2-6mg/day seems like a lot.
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I guess there was information that showed heart issues for the higher dosages of Cabergoline

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/..._uids=17094087&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum

But the information is sketchy

http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/podcast/pergolide_full.htm

This drug is approved in the united states for the treatment of hyperprolactinemic [hyper-pro-lack-teh-knee-mick] disorders — conditions in which there are elevated levels of prolactin [pro-lack-tin] in the blood.

Dostinex is not approved in the United States for the treatment of Parkinson's disease. For hyperprolactinemic disorders, a considerably lower dose of Dostinex is used. At these lower doses of Dostinex, there appears to be little chance of heart problems; therefore, Dostinex will remain on the U.S. market for the treatment of hyperprolactinemic disorders.
 
gjohnson5 said:
Yes...

The usual prescribed dosage is 2-6mgs

http://xpil.medicines.org.uk/ViewPil.aspx?DocID=11198

You should normally take your medicine once each day, preferably with a meal. You will usually start on a low dose of Cabaser (1 mg), which will then be slowly increased. Meanwhile, your doctor may tell you to reduce the dose of your other medicines. The usual maintenance dose of Cabaser is 2 to 6 mg daily. Your doctor will decide the best dose for you to continue on. The label on the bottle will tell you exactly how many tablets to take and how often. Sometimes your doctor may tell you to break the tablets in half so you can take the exact amount needed.
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That sounds a bit high.
6mg is about what Parkinson patients take.
.5 e3d is most common for AAS users battling prolactin.
 
Anybody have any idea how long sides typically take to subside or go away entirely once dostinex or bromo is started anyways? I'm thinking around a week or so for things to be noticably better n'est ce pas? Anyone have any experience with it?
 
Dosing for hyperprolactinemia is as follows:

http://www.cc.nih.gov/phar/updates/nov-dec98.html

Cabergoline is commercially available as 0.5 mg oral tablets. The initial dose of cabergoline for the treatment of hyperprolactinemia is 0.5 mg once weekly or in divided doses twice weekly. This dose may be increased by increments of 0.5 mg at 4-week intervals based on serum prolactin concentrations. The usual dose is 1 mg - 2 mg weekly; however, doses as high as 4.5 mg weekly have been used. Recent studies have also evaluated the efficacy of a vaginal dosage form of cabergoline to reduce the adverse effects associated with oral therapy.

Mac173 said:
That sounds a bit high.
6mg is about what Parkinson patients take.
.5 e3d is most common for AAS users battling prolactin.
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gjohnson5 said:
Yes...

The usual prescribed dosage is 2-6mgs

http://xpil.medicines.org.uk/ViewPil.aspx?DocID=11198

You should normally take your medicine once each day, preferably with a meal. You will usually start on a low dose of Cabaser (1 mg), which will then be slowly increased. Meanwhile, your doctor may tell you to reduce the dose of your other medicines. The usual maintenance dose of Cabaser is 2 to 6 mg daily. Your doctor will decide the best dose for you to continue on. The label on the bottle will tell you exactly how many tablets to take and how often. Sometimes your doctor may tell you to break the tablets in half so you can take the exact amount needed.
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Not disagreeing with the practical dosage for Parkinson's disease, but the anecdotal dosage I have seen for prevention of gyno across the multiple AAS/Bodybuilding forums has been in the .5mg E3D. I would probably start on the lower end and work my way up if needed.
 
I don't think most people realize that tren is a progestin that can directly stimulate the PR. Even if you lower your prolactin, this will not stop the tren from doing its damage to prone individuals. About the only thing you can do is make sure your E is nonexisten so that there is no synergy for the progestin to cause continual growth. Unfortunately, if the growth is already there, in a lot of cases, the only way to get it to go away is to discontinue the tren. Mine is finally going away now that I stopped the tren and am able to use nolva and letro together. Dos hasn't done a thing for my nipples. My nipples were a little sore and puffy last time I did tren with bromo too. I love bromo though cause it keeps my libido up.
 
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I got gyno from npp letro with dostinex did the trick for me but letro destroyed my sex drive even when I added proviron but I guess thats the price you get if you don't want tits.
 
mookie said:
I got gyno from npp letro with dostinex did the trick for me but letro destroyed my sex drive even when I added proviron but I guess thats the price you get if you don't want tits.
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I agree - Letro killed my sex drive more than anything else. Completely squashed it and made me tired. But, it worked better than anything else.
 
For all of you concerned with dostinex dosage......1mg /week is more than enough to lower prolactin to a manageable level. I took it no more than .5mg E3D with great success while on 500mg of deca/week. Remember, if you lower prolactin too much you will feel like shit also.
The name of the game is control, when you are on gear try to bring your hormon levels to as normal as possible level.
Once you throw your body into a dive with too much of one compound it is hard to recover and continue in most cases.....Keep it steady !!

Letro+dostinex is an over kill in most cases.....Letro should be used as a last resort IMHO.
 
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masteron and proviron really seemed to help with tren gyno for me....i am very sensitive to estro arom drugs and only uses masteron and proviron with tren and all was fine....the only time i got some puffiness was when i first dropped the winstrol i think that prog levels spiked for a bit.
 
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