letro and dbol

[b_light]

currently on 2.5mg letro a day and wanna start my cycle soon. Is it ok to be on both these at the same time? I plan to start tapering off this weekend.

 

[Cryptlord]

haha yea man ... I usually always run letro no matter what on any cycle. I would just cut the dose dude letro is good as low as 0.25mg...

 

[b_light]

ok so when im nearing the end of my taper i can start taking say 20-30mg dbol a day....

 

[holy ghost]

fuck no fem will eat your gains bigtime

dont use it unless you need it - speaking from personal experience

so youre jumping into a dbol only??? more info plz

 

[nutsax]

I agrre with bro man H-G, plus it will ruin your lipid profile... give you bad cholestrol bro.

 

[b_light]

aight ill wait till im totally of the shit so that would be during the nolva taper down, i know alot of guys run nolva on cycle with no probs. Gonna start with low dose dbol then 300mg/sust a week and 200mg/eq a week and there either 20 or 25mg proviron a day. Dunno how long i will run the dbol on its own but im gonna try lower end dosages and see where it takes me.

 

[BigGuyPHX]

fuck no fem will eat your gains bigtime

dont use it unless you need it - speaking from personal experience

so youre jumping into a Dianabol - methandrostenolone - only??? more info plz

Is this common with a lot of bros for fem to kill gains???

 

[GAUDY]

Is this common with a lot of bros for fem to kill gains???

it doesn't vary, its a fact.

estrogen is needed in the body to make the best gains. Femera - letrozole - = kills estrogen.

also b_light your cycle looks like crap IMO. review it and post again.

 

[BigGuyPHX]

it doesn't vary, its a fact.

estrogen is needed in the body to make the best gains. Femera - letrozole - = kills estrogen.

also b_light your cycle looks like crap IMO. review it and post again.

Fuck a duck!!! I been running .5mg for the last 2 weeks after that case of teenage pointer tits I got! Yep and I have been at a STOP for the last past week!!! SOB! &^%* (*! %$@ (*&^$#!!!

Any more bros got any input on this fem kills gains... I'm running test e 250mg wk dboll 20mg ed and anavar 20mg ed two weeks left on cycle.

Thanks bros!

 

[GAUDY]

Fuck a duck!!! I been running .5mg for the last 2 weeks after that case of teenage pointer tits I got! Yep and I have been at a STOP for the last past week!!! SOB! &^%* (*! %$@ (*&^$#!!!

Any more bros got any input on this fem kills gains... I'm running testosterone enanthate 250mg wk dboll 20mg ed and anavar 20mg ed two weeks left on cycle.

Thanks bros!

well if you had signs of gyno i would of ran nolva unless i had a lump or my nips were noticeably changing.

other than that letro is the way to go to get rid of the nips problem.

If you have gyno problems i'd drop the dbol for sure...

 

[rambleon]

well if you had signs of gynecomastia i would of ran Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - unless i had a lump or my nips were noticeably changing.

other than that Femera - letrozole - is the way to go to get rid of the nips problem.

If you have gynecomastia problems i'd drop the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - for sure...

Agreed. Fem does kill gains if overused. I usually only use it while on tren. It is a matter of striking a balance tho. If ur sensitive to gyno u can feel when its not enough pretty fast and so adjust ur dose. Needless to say the dose should be as small as possible while still killing the gyno. The excess of hormones in ur body will insure that u still get gains only not as impressive as without the letro. Who wants impressive gains if half of them are in the shape of bitch tits? With a cycle like urs i'd use the letro to kill the gyno then go with nolva from then on. If bloat becomes a problem use adex instead of the letro.

 

[BigGuyPHX]

Agreed. Fem does kill gains if overused. I usually only use it while on trenbolone. It is a matter of striking a balance tho. If ur sensitive to gynecomastia u can feel when its not enough pretty fast and so adjust ur dose. Needless to say the dose should be as small as possible while still killing the gynecomastia. The excess of hormones in ur body will insure that u still get gains only not as impressive as without the Femera - letrozole - . Who wants impressive gains if half of them are in the shape of bitch tits? With a cycle like urs i'd use the Femera - letrozole - to kill the gynecomastia then go with Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - from then on. If bloat becomes a problem use Arimidex - anastrozole - instead of the Femera - letrozole - .

At what dose do you guys recomend of the Nolvaldex???

THanks

BigPHX

 

[Acela]

aight ill wait till im totally of the shit so that would be during the Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - taper down, i know alot of guys run Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - on cycle with no probs. Gonna start with low dose Dianabol - methandrostenolone - then 300mg/Sustanon a week and 200mg/Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - a week and there either 20 or 25mg proviron a day. Dunno how long i will run the Dianabol - methandrostenolone - on its own but im gonna try lower end dosages and see where it takes me.

IMO you should drop the d/bol entirely, i was just reading your post about that lump "under your tit". this is a recipe for a reoccurence.

wait a bit, then when you do hit your cycle bump your E/Q to at least 400 mgs EW. i honestly think that you will be very disappointed @ 200 (and i am a proponent of low/moderate dosed cycles)

 

[b_light]

well the orig. plan was 400mg a week e/q and 500 a week s.ust but i decided to drop it down. I was really more interested in seeing how the ferma worked at removal. Once the tits get bad if they do i'll simply have them removed.

 

[BigGuyPHX]

Quote:
Originally Posted by rambleon
Agreed. Fem does kill gains if overused. I usually only use it while on trenbolone. It is a matter of striking a balance tho. If ur sensitive to gynecomastia u can feel when its not enough pretty fast and so adjust ur dose. Needless to say the dose should be as small as possible while still killing the gynecomastia. The excess of hormones in ur body will insure that u still get gains only not as impressive as without the Femera - letrozole - . Who wants impressive gains if half of them are in the shape of bitch tits? With a cycle like urs i'd use the Femera - letrozole - to kill the gynecomastia then go with Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - from then on. If bloat becomes a problem use Arimidex - anastrozole - instead of the Femera - letrozole - .



At what dose do you guys recomend of the Nolvaldex???

THanks

BigPHX


Wow BigPHX that is a great question!!!

 

[b_light]

10-20mg a day when on cycle is what i've seen.

 

[rambleon]

Quote:
Originally Posted by rambleon
Agreed. Fem does kill gains if overused. I usually only use it while on trenbolone. It is a matter of striking a balance tho. If ur sensitive to gynecomastia u can feel when its not enough pretty fast and so adjust ur dose. Needless to say the dose should be as small as possible while still killing the gynecomastia. The excess of hormones in ur body will insure that u still get gains only not as impressive as without the Femera - letrozole - . Who wants impressive gains if half of them are in the shape of bitch tits? With a cycle like urs i'd use the Femera - letrozole - to kill the gynecomastia then go with Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - from then on. If bloat becomes a problem use Arimidex - anastrozole - instead of the Femera - letrozole - .



At what dose do you guys recomend of the Nolvaldex???

THanks

BigPHX


Wow BigPHX that is a great question!!!

try 20 mg ed and adjust as needed

good luck

 

[GAUDY]

try 20 mg ed and adjust as needed

good luck

agreed, if you wake up one day and your nips are lookin bad its not uncommon to take 60mg for a day, then 40 until sympthoms start to go away, and then 20 EOD.

 

[holy ghost]

you only got Nolva PHX? i like DEX better......

nolva is a pain.

Letro sucks and if you use too much you leave yourself susceptible to breaks tears strains etc.... your body needs SOME estrogen or else you will be walkin like the fuckin tin man

Half Pint - very true bro....why did you change you rname when u came over here lol

 

[BigGuyPHX]

THanks bros...
This was my first "real" run in with sides, so I was not schooled 100% on what to do.
I'm not clear on this... If my Gyno is fully cleared up for over 2 weeks should I try to run without the Nolvaldex or should I run it just in case???

I was running a higher dose of dboll when the sides kicked in and I was not running anavar. Now I'm running both at 20mg ED plus test e 250mg pw. I feel great, strong, mind clear, horny, and spot on with every thing. (best I felt in years!)

So again Nolvaldex should I run it or not??? Also 2 weeks left on this cycle.

Thanks bros
BigGuyPHX

 

[b_light]

Bro letr.o kicks fucking ass. Been on 2.5mg daily since sunday and the lump is fuckin gone today man, gonna start to taper off tomorrow. Gyno can't hide from this shit, it just kicks its ass no wonder its so expensive.

 

[BigGuyPHX]

THanks bros...
This was my first "real" run in with sides, so I was not schooled 100% on what to do.
I'm not clear on this... If my gynecomastia is fully cleared up for over 2 weeks should I try to run without the Nolvaldex or should I run it just in case???

I was running a higher dose of dboll when the sides kicked in and I was not running anavar. Now I'm running both at 20mg ED plus testosterone enanthate 250mg pw. I feel great, strong, mind clear, horny, and spot on with every thing. (best I felt in years!)

So again Nolvaldex should I run it or not??? Also 2 weeks left on this cycle.

Thanks bros
BigGuyPHX

WOW BigGuy what a great question!!!!!

 

[rambleon]

WOW BigGuy what a great question!!!!!

Gyno has a nasty way of resurfacing the moment u let up on the estro-supressin g if ur still on cycle. Therefore i'd def run the nolva for ur last 2 weeks. Then u can just slide into ur pct keeping up the nolva.

 

[Acela]

Bro letr.o kicks fucking ass. Been on 2.5mg daily since sunday and the lump is fuckin gone today man, gonna start to taper off tomorrow. gynecomastia can't hide from this shit, it just kicks its ass no wonder its so expensive.

b_light, i am happy to hear that ur lump is gone

 

[b_light]

Just in time for me to hop right back on.