What's wrong? Did your parents beat the shit out of you growing up? You didn't get Christmas? LOL. From your pictures, you appear to be an upper middle class white yuppie, so where is all this angst coming from? LOL. Oh, life is so tough for lestat that he must harp on endlessly about how there is no God, and if there is a God, he is a bastard...yada yada. It is just like those bored little middle class kids who never tasted any real trauma in life so they piss and moan about this and that. Get a new topic, buddy, you are getting boring.Lestat said:
lol...watch the sparks fly...lolmanny78 said:
well i must say, its refreshing to see you finally touch on a topic other than religion, you must have realized you don't have much of a leg to stand on there when arguing with someone to holds to a more rational school of though.HeatherRae said:
Lestat said:
well if you dont beleave in god then just let it go.be free dont ever think about it again.Lestat said:
Nobody on here has tried to convert you have they? Do I come on here daily and call you stupid for being an atheist? Nope. You call believers idiots day in and day out. Let it go. No one is trying to shove religion down your throat. You are trying to shove your lack of faith down ours.Lestat said:
Well, I was raised Baptist and was taught that some things are sins, which will land your soul in hell. I was also taught about heaven. I was a chemistry/psych double major in college and the study of the sciences made me refute my belief in God for a time. I studied several different religions and experienced something that renewed my faith in God. I don't believe your parents were 100% correct in their beliefs, but we, as human beings, can only do the best that we can do. why are you so angry at them and at christians? Even when I was an atheist, I didn't Christian bash. What is the point? Why are you so invested in forcing your viewpoint on us? It comes across that to do so makes you feel intellectually superior. You call people idiots for having faith.Lestat said:well i must say, its refreshing to see you finally touch on a topic other than religion, you must have realized you don't have much of a leg to stand on there when arguing with someone to holds to a more rational school of though.
I love how you could tell exactly how much money my family made by looking at recent pictures of me. Now THAT is a talent that god must have bestowed upon you, and I might have actually believed in a god had you have been close to accurate.
I grew up in a lower middle class family of 5. my father worked as an LVN for most of my childhood and was supporting the family on a salary of around 25,000 per year through the 80s and 90s. My mom never worked as my dad felt it was his duty to provide to the family. As the bible taught, the woman was to be subserviant, which I am sure you agree with right seeing as you are a religious kook. Are you allowed to speak in church, can you enter the church with your head uncovered? My mother couldn't.
Through no choice of my own, my childhood revolved around religion. You know that feeling you get when you finally learn that Santa Claus doesn't exist and it was just your parents pulling a scam on you? I don't, we had Christmas, but the presents were from my parents (by the grace of god of course). But back to that feeling of betrayal and Santa. Imagine that same feeling magnified by 1,000,000. Imagine being told that if you did certain things you were guarenteed an eternal life in paradise. In a place where milk and honey flowed as rivers, where the streets were paved in gold, and you got to sing praises to god 24 hours a day (who the FUCK thinks that is paradise??). Anyway, you also are told that if you DON'T do certain things, you will spend ETERNITY in flames, buring but never dying, ever!
Any then one day, much like with the Santa Claus story, you realize it was all bullshit, you trusted people to teach you truth, but instead they taught you things that they "THINK" is true, but can never be 100% certain about.
There is where you find me
I don't see anything unhealthy in my belief in God. What is unhealthy about what I believe?Lestat said:
i can't possibly comment on what exactly you believe, but two of the "unhealthy" effects that I attritube to Christianity are:HeatherRae said:
I am pro gay rightsLestat said:
ROFLgotmojo said:
lestat, i think i told you once before that I believe that those are allegories.Lestat said:
Hey HR, what was it that renewed your faith in God? I'm curious of this b/c I'm alot like Lestat in my beliefs. I don't think Lestat is an atheist though. I believe he's agnostic as I am. I'm very spiritual I feel but not sure which type of religion suits me. I to was brought up in a baptist church. But I couldn't understand the scare tactics they would teach you. I had this argument the other day w/ a close friend that basically told me I could be a christian but if I didn't accept jesus as my personal savior I would burn in hell forever. WTF? It doesn't matter how good of a person you are or how much good you do for others. Either you believe completely w/ blind faith or to hell you go. Sorry but I can't buy that. So this got me to reading other things such as Buddhism, Taoism, and American Indian religion. I desperately want to believe in something b/c I do believe in some type of creator. There is too much beauty in us and nature on this world for it to have just happened by a big bang. But all of the super natural things they speak of in church is real hard to swallow. Moses parting the red sea, Noah and all of the animals, god speaking to people, and so on. Why doesn't this happen taday? If it did, it would be much more palatable. Why go on nothing but blind faith? Not bashing here, I just want some concrete answers. If I could get that then I would become a model christian for sure. I guess for now I'll keep searching.HeatherRae said:
he probably read Sam Harris' book last month. He does come off a bit over-zealous, but I agree with biteme that Lestat has a right to express his beliefs here or anywhere and yes, people are likely to get offended but people get offended when the wind blows LOL I dont even necessarily disagree with Lestat's views on organized religion, etc- but his communication skills leave a lot to be desired. In other words, he is trying to get people to open their minds and think outside the box or move out of their comfort zone, but you cant expect that to happen if you are degrading and insulting people.needtogetas said:
MrMuscle said:
When my mother was dying of cancer I asked for a specific sign from God and he revealed it to me. Of course, the atheists will say that I'm mentally ill, but that is what happened. There IS a God Cranny. =-)cranny said:
I never said a word about it until yesterday, smurfy.Smurfy said:
Lestat said:well i must say, its refreshing to see you finally touch on a topic other than religion, you must have realized you don't have much of a leg to stand on there when arguing with someone to holds to a more rational school of though.
I love how you could tell exactly how much money my family made by looking at recent pictures of me. Now THAT is a talent that god must have bestowed upon you, and I might have actually believed in a god had you have been close to accurate.
I grew up in a lower middle class family of 5. my father worked as an LVN for most of my childhood and was supporting the family on a salary of around 25,000 per year through the 80s and 90s. My mom never worked as my dad felt it was his duty to provide to the family. As the bible taught, the woman was to be subserviant, which I am sure you agree with right seeing as you are a religious kook. Are you allowed to speak in church, can you enter the church with your head uncovered? My mother couldn't.
Through no choice of my own, my childhood revolved around religion. You know that feeling you get when you finally learn that Santa Claus doesn't exist and it was just your parents pulling a scam on you? I don't, we had Christmas, but the presents were from my parents (by the grace of god of course). But back to that feeling of betrayal and Santa. Imagine that same feeling magnified by 1,000,000. Imagine being told that if you did certain things you were guarenteed an eternal life in paradise. In a place where milk and honey flowed as rivers, where the streets were paved in gold, and you got to sing praises to god 24 hours a day (who the FUCK thinks that is paradise??). Anyway, you also are told that if you DON'T do certain things, you will spend ETERNITY in flames, buring but never dying, ever!
Any then one day, much like with the Santa Claus story, you realize it was all bullshit, you trusted people to teach you truth, but instead they taught you things that they "THINK" is true, but can never be 100% certain about.
There is where you find me
Lestat said:
Well said.jnevin said:
Lestat said:well i must say, its refreshing to see you finally touch on a topic other than religion, you must have realized you don't have much of a leg to stand on there when arguing with someone to holds to a more rational school of though.
I love how you could tell exactly how much money my family made by looking at recent pictures of me. Now THAT is a talent that god must have bestowed upon you, and I might have actually believed in a god had you have been close to accurate.
I grew up in a lower middle class family of 5. my father worked as an LVN for most of my childhood and was supporting the family on a salary of around 25,000 per year through the 80s and 90s. My mom never worked as my dad felt it was his duty to provide to the family. As the bible taught, the woman was to be subserviant, which I am sure you agree with right seeing as you are a religious kook. Are you allowed to speak in church, can you enter the church with your head uncovered? My mother couldn't.
Through no choice of my own, my childhood revolved around religion. You know that feeling you get when you finally learn that Santa Claus doesn't exist and it was just your parents pulling a scam on you? I don't, we had Christmas, but the presents were from my parents (by the grace of god of course). But back to that feeling of betrayal and Santa. Imagine that same feeling magnified by 1,000,000. Imagine being told that if you did certain things you were guarenteed an eternal life in paradise. In a place where milk and honey flowed as rivers, where the streets were paved in gold, and you got to sing praises to god 24 hours a day (who the FUCK thinks that is paradise??). Anyway, you also are told that if you DON'T do certain things, you will spend ETERNITY in flames, buring but never dying, ever!
Any then one day, much like with the Santa Claus story, you realize it was all bullshit, you trusted people to teach you truth, but instead they taught you things that they "THINK" is true, but can never be 100% certain about.
There is where you find me
100% right on.dullboy said:
I'm not angry at them at all! I love them and can see how they, and almost anyone else would fall into the snare of religion.Smurfy said:
the comment that my parents make about black people is not based in any sort of religious ideology, I posted it simple as an example of the type of people they are. Saying "black people make crime rates go up" is a false correlation. Its no wonder they are able to attribute high and low times in their life to acts of god.jnevin said:
HeatherRae said:
HeatherRae said:
I was just a little pissy that night at getting on CC and the whole front page was filled with dumb sacreligious threads. No, lestat didnt start them that night, but he had been haranfuing christians for a long time. So, I told him was acting like an angst filled teen. It doesn't mean I don't think he can post or should post. It doesn't mean I don't like him. I just didn't like his threads on the same topic every day.hanselthecaretaker said:
gjohnson5 said:Mine dide and sometimes we didn't get christmas for funding issues. Look how I turned out
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