Lesnar Leaving Wwe

[ireekofawesomeness]

Well this couldn't suck much more for the WWE. I just read that Lesnar is leaving after Wrestlemania due to his publicly known frustration with the travel schedule, etc, to pursue a career in the NFL. He was a cornerstone of the company and one of my favorite wrestlers ever, so let's hope Vince pulls something out of his ass here to make Brock stay.

 

[Becoming]

to pursue a career in the NFL.

WTF? is he kidding?

 

[ireekofawesomeness]

no, hes trying out for the NFL...im serious

 

[Lumberg]

WTF? is he kidding?

That's interesting; timing couldn't be worse with the combine having been a little while ago.

 

[Becoming]

seriously, he never played fb in college- and I am thinking he is a lot softer physically now than he was when he graduated.... sure he might be a good athlete, but not neccesarily a good prospect for the NFL... I think it is hype and a long shot at best...

 

[IJ26]

That's interesting; timing couldn't be worse with the combine having been a little while ago.

well he probably wouldnt have been invited to the combine anyway considering he was a college wrestler (I could be wrong on the wrestler thing but he has no football background I know of). he could work out at a pro day but he doesnt stand a chance imo

 

[AAP]

He will get his ass kicked on the NFL field.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Where did you hear this? I heard Goldberg is definitely done after Wrestlemania, but not Lesnar.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Nevermind.... this was on www.prowrestling.com

Shocking News: Real Reason For Lesnar Leaving; Joining NFL?
Story By: Niel Stephens
March 10, 2004

As we reported earlier, Brock Lesnar announced yesterday that he will be leaving WWE after his final match for the company this Sunday at WrestleMania. Lesnar was said to have stood up infront of all the Smackdown! Talent yesterday at the pre-show talent meeting where he announced the news of his departure from the company and the fact that he would like to pursue a career in the National Football League.

From what we’ve heard, Lesnar informed everyone at the meeting that he was feeling miserable in the business. He said that it wasn’t a reflection on the business, but he personally could not find happiness whilst working for the company.

He publically thanked Vince McMahon, Jim Ross and Gerry Brisco "for finding me in college,". He also made another special thank you to two other members of the Smackdown! Brand who he’d worked with on many occasions - Big Show & Paul Heyman. He also told the crew that he wouldn’t return to the company, and wished everyone well. Lesnar was said to be very emotional at this point.

This shocking announcement was said to bring mix reactions from people in the company. Some felt that it opened opportunities for other members of the company where as others felt differently.
No matter which way you look at this shocking news, WWE is losing one of their elite wrestlers. Even though Lesnar has said he wont return to the business, never say never is what I say.

 

[WODIN]

He might make it. Wrestling, the real thing, is a very difficult sport and many athleats participate in both through highschool and some even in college.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

He might make it. Wrestling, the real thing, is a very difficult sport and many athleats participate in both through highschool and some even in college.

He has the size, the speed and the coordination to be a success. I see him as an defensive end or offensive tackle.

Carlton Hasselrig was an all collegiate wrestler out of Pitt Johnstown who never played football. He made the pro-bowl twice before he beat the shit out of pizza boy and a paperboy (He was kind of insane).

 

[strongsmartsexy]

I know there have been a number of football players who've made the transition to wrestling. Is this a first for it going the opposite way? Where is that Wrestling knowledge dude when you need him?

 

[Becoming]

He will get his ass kicked on the NFL field.

I tried to say it more nicely (for what reason I don't know why) but I agree....

especially as far as playing on the line, he will get his ass handed to him...

where the hell did he get this idea?- I am thinking his ego must be out of check....

 

[avenirup]

Where did you hear this? I heard Goldberg is definitely done after Wrestlemania, but not Lesnar.

Lesner has talked about this in the past few weeks but did make an announcement last night in AC to The SmackDown crew. The word I have is that he will not play this season but instead train hard and make an attempt at the NFL next year. He thinks he will make about the same playing in the NFL, but may not even end up on a team making the 1.25 million he is getting from WWE. There is also a little thing he has called a contract which has to be dealt with before he goes...if not--no NFL. His contract expires in two months and then he willl be free to do whatever he likes, may be too late to join an NFL team-unless Vince lets him out of it, which he may do since they have a good relationship. Not to mention there are more experienced players in The World League and Arena Football that would probably get a spot before a non experienced pro wrestler. Brock is huge and very athletic...but never playing pro football-he may out of his league. Many people feel that he has already been contacted by an NFL team because of his decision-that remains to be seen. With Brock leaving and not wanting to come back to the business--Goldberg may now get the win at WM 20 because even know Goldberg is leaving doesn't mean he will never be back. When the WWE can cough up some more money, Goldberg may come back. There are now stories that if Brock does leave, Goldberg will resign(now that they have 1.25 million free, $850k + $400k bonus) and take over as top guy on SmackDown with a huge push, which is exactly what Goldberg is looking for. That also remains to be seen but now is a real possibility.

 

[BileStew]

If Renaldo Nehemiah can make, so can Lesnar.

heh

 

[synch22]

good luck Brock, Ive been there done that spent 2 years in and out of NFL went through 2 training camps, loved the experience wish it would have turned out better, but i chalk it up as that experience. Played with the best guys in the world, even faced a few 30 yr olds in some preseason games..
I wish i could transistion to WWE lol but im not juiced up and dont think i could ever look like some of those guys, not that anything is wrong with it.

I do question though the guy has never played ball, it is not about looking good, you need skills im sure in the end he wont make it, and ive seen his chicken legs lol what does he want to play??

 

[avenirup]

I know there have been a number of football players who've made the transition to wrestling. Is this a first for it going the opposite way? Where is that Wrestling knowledge dude when you need him?

To my knowledge there has never been a pro wrestler in the last 25 years to go to the NFL. In the 60's & 70's some football players would wrestle in the off season because the NFL didn't pay that much back then. On the other hand there have been a ton of NFL players turn to pro wrestling when they were done their football career....Some of those include..Goldberg, Bradshaw, Ron Simmons, Steve McMichaels and also many NFL players have made appearances for wrestling companies like Lawerence Taylor and Reggie White. If Brock succeeds, he will be the first I know of to do this in over two decades.....

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Didn't Brian Pillman come from the Bengals?

 

[synch22]

yeah he did,

BTW is Stepanie McMahon juicing?? For a while it looked like she was and her voice was deepening, i used to think she was sexy,

 

[strongsmartsexy]

From what I understood, BP was one of the toughest SOBs in wrestling. I was sad to see him pass at so young an age.

 

[argent]

He was a great folksyle wrestler, but would probably get eaten alive on a NCAA football field, let alone a NFL one.

Also, to say he was the "cornerstone of the company" is a little too bold of a statement. He's only been with them for like 2 years.

 

[avenirup]

yeah he did,

BTW is Stepanie McMahon juicing?? For a while it looked like she was and her voice was deepening, i used to think she was sexy,

I don't know if Steph juices...I doubt it, but her dad has and her husband has big time...so it is a possiblity......

 

[avenirup]

He was a great folksyle wrestler, but would probably get eaten alive on a NCAA football field, let alone a NFL one.

Also, to say he was the "cornerstone of the company" is a little too bold of a statement. He's only been with them for like 2 years.

I agree, he is definetly not a "cornerstone of the company". He has great ability and has received huge pushes because of that ability but has not drawn impressive crowds as the Smackdown brand consistantly has lower arena attendance than the Raw brand. If he was so important, they would have made him an offer that he could not refuse, such as more money and less dates (meaning less travel) as they have done with Shawn Michaels. Kevin Nash had a simular deal when he signed in early 2002, he only had to wrestle 12 dates per month (TV, PPV and house shows included) and got paid $700k + bonus. Brock is not at a Stone Cold or even Shawn Michaels level yet, probably because he has only been in the business a total of three years (training and WWE combined).

 

[NJjuice22]

He might make it. Wrestling, the real thing, is a very difficult sport and many athleats participate in both through highschool and some even in college.

at that level it is alot more than strength and conditioning, he doesnt have the experience necessary to play at that level, wtf position is he gonna play, offensive line..hell no..he would be dominated, defensive line, to slow and no technique..tight end...uhm...no..look at him wrestle, yea he is kinda athletic for his size but nowhere near the agility it would take to be a pro ball player.

 

[Lumberg]

Ive been there done that spent 2 years in and out of NFL went through 2 training camps, loved the experience wish it would have turned out better, but i chalk it up as that experience.

I wish i could transistion to WWE lol but im not juiced up

There's your problem bro. You shouda hooked up with BALCO, you'd be set!

Seriously though how much juicing did you see in the NFL? I have heard an answer from another source and I would like to hear your take on it.

 

[The Shadow]

He will get his ass kicked on the NFL field.

Word

 

[c3bodybuilding]

This is great. Now nobody will have to see that ugly bloated blob with a horrible body on tv anymore! Oh wait, thats most of the wwe wrestlers..... lol

Seriously, he won't make the nfl, who is he fooling? He shouldn't give up his paycheck just yet.

 

[synch22]

to be honest im sure guys were on that shit that was undectable,
the drug tests were a joke i know probowlers who laughed at that shit, asking different guys to piss in a cup i was one of them , so if it was easy to cheat the random drug tests to avoid a positive for street drugs im sure the same is possible for steroids, i know for a fact a guy used them and he never tested positive, its all BS, but majority im not sure if that was the case. Some guys are genetically blessed plain and simple.

 

[the nature boy]

He has the size, the speed and the coordination to be a success. I see him as an defensive end or offensive tackle.

I can see him as being a defense lineman, but not an offensive lineman. that is one of the most unnatural positions to play, a pretty good level of brains believe it or not and years of technique. there is no way he's playing on the o-line.

 

[Becoming]

I can see him as being a defense lineman, but not an offensive lineman. that is one of the most unnatural positions to play, a pretty good level of brains believe it or not and years of technique. there is no way he's playing on the o-line.

plus you have to be one mean sob, and lets face it, I am sure college experience goes a long way to developing that...

 

[avenirup]

I know there have been a number of football players who've made the transition to wrestling. Is this a first for it going the opposite way? Where is that Wrestling knowledge dude when you need him?

No one guy recently has done this from pro wrestling but in the early to mid 1990's, Carlton Haselrig who was an NCAA wrestling champion was drafted and played for the Steelers and Jets for about 5 seasons. He never played one college football game. He made the pro bowl once as well (1992 I believe). So Brock may have a chance with his size and ability....Plus his name (which sadly some $$$ teams look for).

 

[Lumberg]

I can see him as being a defense lineman, but not an offensive lineman. that is one of the most unnatural positions to play, a pretty good level of brains believe it or not and years of technique. there is no way he's playing on the o-line.

You are 100% dead-on my brotha.

O-linemen are the most unrecognized bunch in the sport.

 

[Lumberg]

No one guy recently has done this from pro wrestling but in the early to mid 1990's, Carlton Haselrig who was an NCAA wrestling champion was drafted and played for the Steelers and Jets for about 5 seasons. He never played one college football game. He made the pro bowl once as well (1992 I believe). So Brock may have a chance with his size and ability....Plus his name (which sadly some $$$ teams look for).

What position did Haselrig play?

 

[avenirup]

What position did Haselrig play?

Offensive guard in the NFL and also played Defense for the Buffalo Destroyers in the Arena League in the late 1990's.

 

[synch22]

lol thats what i played OLINE, you cant win without a good one period plain and simple

 

[argent]

I can see him as being a defense lineman, but not an offensive lineman. that is one of the most unnatural positions to play, a pretty good level of brains believe it or not and years of technique. there is no way he's playing on the o-line.

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to The Nature Boy again.


Love for the O-LINE here

 

[avenirup]

Well this couldn't suck much more for the WWE. I just read that Lesnar is leaving after Wrestlemania due to his publicly known frustration with the travel schedule, etc, to pursue a career in the NFL. He was a cornerstone of the company and one of my favorite wrestlers ever, so let's hope Vince pulls something out of his ass here to make Brock stay.

Brock may really be leaving the WWE, but many feel that this may be a work to drum up business for WM and due to the fact Vince hates when things are leaked prior. Many times things are leaked out by WWE talent and posted over the net and plans and storylines have to constantly be changed. Many feel this is Vince's way of showing that not all internet news is real......We shall see after WM.......

 

[beefybull]

He will get his ass kicked on the NFL field.

When you're like 6'2"-6'4", 300 or so, you dont tend to get your ass kicked. I just wonder what position he'd want to play.

He's been in champion amateur wrestling shape before, so I'm sure he knows what it takes to be in shape, he could be physically ready in no time. However, skill-wise, none of know what Brock could do football-wise.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Brock may really be leaving the WWE, but many feel that this may be a work to drum up business for WM and due to the fact Vince hates when things are leaked prior. Many times things are leaked out by WWE talent and posted over the net and plans and storylines have to constantly be changed. Many feel this is Vince's way of showing that not all internet news is real......We shall see after WM.......

Yeah, what he said! Vinnyboy has used that tactic for years.

Now, tell us about the Bret Hart fiasco. That was truely sad.

 

[avenirup]

Yeah, what he said! Vinnyboy has used that tactic for years.

Now, tell us about the Bret Hart fiasco. That was truely sad.

By the Bret Hart fiasco, I suppose you mean the incident that occurred at Survivor Series 1997. Bret Hart was on the second year of a ten year contract worth $20m. Business for WWE (then WWF) was not that great as WCW had already taken over as the top company at least in terms of ratings and PPV buyrates mainly due to the excellent NWO angle. Ratings, even though lower than WCW were still respectable but Vince was upset that Hart (the top man in the company) wasn't drawing what Vince thought he should. Vince knew if he let Bret go, WCW would take him, so Vince basically wanted out of the contract because he felt Bret was making too much money and Vince could save $2m per year to give to other talent or get talent from WCW. To put this into perspective Bret was making more the all of the D-Generation X members combined (Shawn Michaels, HHH, China and Rick Rude). Vince looked at Shawn Michaels (who had already turned down a WCW offer), Stone Cold (who was getting more popular each week) and the Undertaker as the top guys and felt like Bret was also causing many problems. It gets a little more interesting as well. As I mentioned in a previous post, Bret Hart got involved with Sunny (valet at the time-kinda like a Torrie of today--but Torrie is hotter) as did Vince (at different times) and Bret was also involved with Vince's daughter Stephanie and many people say this also had something to do with Vince wanting to cancel his contract. After Vince gave Bret permission to go to WCW (WCW gave Bret a $2.5m per year-3 year deal), Vince asked Bret to drop the title to Shawn Michaels at Survivor Series-Bret refused becuase the event was to be held in Monteal (Canada-and Bret did not want to lose in front his canadian fans). Vince at that point was very paranoid because he had been screwed by so many people he thought were friends in the past 2 years. Thinking Bret would jump to WCW with the belt, which would have killed the WWE who were already in a bad way, he created the screw job angle. You have to understand at that time WWE was in a bad financial state and at times were close to shutting down. Vince would do anything he could to prevent this. If Bret walked on WCW TV with the belt, that could have dropped ratings, buyrates and attendence down to the point where WWE could not survive. So Vince talked things over with Shawn Michaels (who denied it up until about 2 years ago) and basically told Shawn to go with what Bret wanted and Vince would ring the bell when Shawn put the sharp shooter (Bret's finishing move) on Bret (to make it even worse) and allow Shawn to win the title without Bret knowing-basically screwing Bret. Vince did this and as soon as it happened, Bret knew and flipped out destroying the announcer table area, spitting on Vince, hand signing WCW on a WWE PPV and eventually punching Vince backstage of the event giving Vince a black eye. Bret originally told Vince that he would just give the title up to Shawn on Raw the next night but Vince didn't believe him. The bottom line in pro wrestling is that no wrestler is bigger than the sport and when a promoter tells you to take a fall, you take the fall, even if you are wrestling in your parents backyard. As Vince put it, it is a time honored tradition and Bret (who had developed an big ego) thought he could tell Vince what to do-Bret should have known better. Why was this event so important to wrestling--Vince came off looking like a major heel, which Vince noticed, took off with it and started the McMahon vs Austin fued which eventually helped WWE beat WCW. Bret went to WCW, won a few belts and suffered a career ending injury at the hand of Goldberg at Starrcade. Goldberg full force kicked Hart in the head (instead selling it like Goldberg should have) by accident and Hart went out.....He stayed out and collected his WCW money until that ran out and then collected off his insurance policy (lords of london) for a few more years (2.5m per year) by just sitting at home. Bret still has issues about how things were handled at Survivor Series and has issues with how things were handled when his brother Owen was killed at a WWE PPV (WWE didn't stop the event). Also I recommend a wrestling tape called: Bret Hart - Wrestling with Shadows. it was an excellent documentary about the year leading up to the Survivor Series. The people who filmed the documentary originally wanted to film it to see what life was like for a pro wrestler--they just happened to be filming at one of the most interesting and important times in wrestling history. The big question is who will show up (that person has confirmed-but the actual showing may or may not occur) at WM 20 this year...I will not spoil it for the people who want to be surprised.

 

[Lumberg]

Drama!

There is a drama behind the drama....when you're into the intrigue on the level avenirup is into it you can feel superior....but ultimately it's intrigue and gossip and no different than following Hollywood gossip.

 

[Smurfy]

Avenirup -
Do you work for Vince McMahon or something? Shit you know alot about WWE.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

I can see him as being a defense lineman, but not an offensive lineman. that is one of the most unnatural positions to play, a pretty good level of brains believe it or not and years of technique. there is no way he's playing on the o-line.

Competitive wrestlers do very well on the O-line. They know how to use their weight and leverage well. Also, remebering to kick out on a certain play or block a certain guy is certainly easier than remembering 8-10 spots in a fast paced wrestling match.

 

[the nature boy]

Competitive wrestlers do very well on the O-line. They know how to use their weight and leverage well. Also, remebering to kick out on a certain play or block a certain guy is certainly easier than remembering 8-10 spots in a fast paced wrestling match.

yeah but you're talking about guys who played football and wrestled. when is the last time lesnar played football?

also, you are simplifiying offensive line required intelligence. check out well written article in sports illustrated (http://images.si.com/2003/magazine/1208/ you have to pay to read it so I suggest you go elsewhere for it) offensive lineman is a lot more cerebral than you think.

 

[The_Eviscerator]

yeah but you're talking about guys who played football and wrestled. when is the last time lesnar played football?

also, you are simplifiying offensive line required intelligence. check out well written article in sports illustrated (http://images.si.com/2003/magazine/1208/ you have to pay to read it so I suggest you go elsewhere for it) offensive lineman is a lot more cerebral than you think.

I totally agree with you... second to possibly Quarterback, it is the most difficult position to play regardless of physical skill. Saying this... I think Lesnar has the work ethic and enough brains to do well.

The example I mentioned earlier with Carlton Hasselrig was very similar to this. Hasselrig never played football. For 2-3 years he was on Pittsburgh's practice team. He finally made the squad and went on to be a pro-bowl guard.

I think Lesnar will have 2-3 years to learn... he will not be an instant success. But... he took 2 years polishing his skills in OVW so I think he will have the patience and work ethic to do it. The question is this: Will his ego allow him to be a practice team scrub while he is learning the game? I doubt it.

 

[avenirup]

Drama!

There is a drama behind the drama....when you're into the intrigue on the level avenirup is into it you can feel superior....but ultimately it's intrigue and gossip and no different than following Hollywood gossip.

Some of it is rumors and gossip...most is factual. The Bret Hart story I posted earlier is almost all based on fact. Maybe 1% was based on what people have heard or believe. If you are referring to the "sleep around" with McMahon, Hart, Sunny, etc. That is a fact. The Shawn Michaels role in my Bret Hart post is fact, how much the wrestlers make is fact, probably the only "gossip" or "rumors" would probably be why the real reason McMahon chose to cancel Bret Hart's contract. If you really think about it in almost all news & sports stories, there is a lot of news based on rumors or what you call gossip. And I am not into pro wrestling gossip, I was paid to write about the profession, so I had to learn about it so I could have something to reference if I needed to. It would be like a football writer not knowing anything about the sport of football...useless....I have kept in contact with a lot of my inside contacts and that is how I know a lot of current news. I can say I have not watched a WWE TV show in a long time but because of the contacts (many who are friends) I know the current state of the profession.

 

[avenirup]

Avenirup -
Do you work for Vince McMahon or something? Shit you know alot about WWE.

Nope- I used to write about the profession...

 

[synch22]

ill break down OLINE play (played at a high DIv 1 level and been through a few nfl camps)

So every play u get banged, sometimes u wait for a d lineman to bull rush you , hit you right in the mouth, or he tries to speed rush you, u have to be quck on your feet and decision making. Ok now next play, u need to read the defense and adjust the blocking scheme accordingly.. every play has a few schemes, every protection has an option of things to do depending on the defense and the blitzes, its basically a ton of shit. Ok and i have to be 300 plus and move , and then we get no glory.... not exactly the position kids sign up for and dream about , but i enjoyed it and had fun.

As a matter of fact i am thinking of taking some of the stuff i got from the NFL, and College and developing Oline camps for hs kids,... its still a thought but something i may eventually do. Give the HS kids some pride about the position they play

 

[daveyboy]

This kinda reminds me of when Tony Mandrich went into the NFL & then just kinda disappeared. And Mandrich was kicking some serious ass in college. But that's what I think might happen to Lesnar here. He might be biting off more than he can chew by thinking he can just change careers like that without ever even playing a down. I dunno....maybe I'm wrong.