Lean Bulker

[IrishHandGrenade]

Hows this sound

1-14 Test E 500mg WK
1-14 EQ 400mg WK
1-4 Dbol 25mg ED
4-11 Tren E 400mg

 

[DannoMight]

Looks good so far. Whats you past cycles look like? And if it were me I'd run the tren from the begining as it is a long ester you plan to run and will just be kicking in fully by the time you quit.

 

[Ulter]

The steroid part is good. You should do very well with that.

Use AIFM throughout the cycle and PCT. Get some Tyler Liver Detox for that dbol portion.

 

[IrishHandGrenade]

The steroid part is good. You should do very well with that.

Use AIFM throughout the cycle and PCT. Get some Tyler Liver Detox for that dbol portion.

How much AIFM would you recomend while on?

 

[solidspine]

The steroid part is good. You should do very well with that.

Use AIFM throughout the cycle and PCT. Get some Tyler Liver Detox for that dbol portion.

Ditto the gear looks great,

Lean bulker? I’m doing a heavy cutter with the same gear, maybe different diets?

 

[IrishHandGrenade]

Ditto the gear looks great,

Lean bulker? I’m doing a heavy cutter with the same gear, maybe different diets?

Yeah, actually I was gun run this to cut, but I decided to go for some pure lean mass instead.

 

[dsh89]

Yup diet is what makes the difference. I am using test/eq/tren as a lean bulker now. Which reminds me I am hungry. I need to go eat lol.

 

[IrishHandGrenade]

Ok, changed up the tren a bit. Here's the revised cycle.

1-14 Test E 500mg WK
1-14 EQ 400mg WK
1-4 Dbol 25mg ED
1-12 Tren E 350mg

I'll run Aifm during and through PCT. HCG and clomid for PCT.

I also want to have something on hand for prolactin suppression. Should I use dostinex, bromo, or something else?

 

[Bruce]

in my experience dost and bromo do nothing for prolactin gyno, it might help your sexual libido. honesly run proviron with it for that though, and have nolva on hand for gyno

 

[IrishHandGrenade]

in my experience dost and bromo do nothing for prolactin gyno, it might help your sexual libido. honesly run proviron with it for that though, and have nolva on hand for gyno

I was under the impression that nolva was bad when taken with tren.

 

[Bruce]

nope, false crap that floats around. from experience i used winny and nolva for deca gyno which is the same as tren gyno. the people who say winny upsets it only have some numbers to show you no experience with it. makavelli, machine101, lots of vets use win and nolva for tren and deca gyno. it works ive done it, nothing else did. tried dost bromo cabaser all that, the only thing that helps with tren or deca dick is proviron so don't expect dost or bromo to do it for ya.

 

[Bruce]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434016&highlight=interesting+info+dostinex
read this. don't know who started that whole thing with nolva but a year ago it was widely excepted that cabasers do nothing for prolactin gyno and that they are weak for sex aid as well. winny and nolva was always the go to for progesterone sides. just cause someone says so doesn't mean its changed, experience is all that matters

 

[IrishHandGrenade]

What do you guys think is an optimal macro nutrient ratio for lean bulking. I wanna start out around 3200-3500 cals and adjust accordingly, but I could use some help with the ratios.

Thanks

 

[Mac173]

What do you guys think is an optimal macro nutrient ratio for lean bulking. I wanna start out around 3200-3500 cals and adjust accordingly, but I could use some help with the ratios.

Thanks

I like to run 2g carb/lb, 1.5g P/lb, and 20cals/lb.
So if you weigh 200lbs you would need 400g carb, 300g P, and 4000cals.
Increase as weight is increased.

 

[IrishHandGrenade]

Would it be ok if I switch up the protrin and carbs. If I start getting to high on carbs it seems like I put on fat a lot faster.

 

[Mac173]

Would it be ok if I switch up the protrin and carbs. If I start getting to high on carbs it seems like I put on fat a lot faster.

Of course, this is just what I use as a guideline. I'm always adjusting though depending on my current results.
If I feel like I'm getting sloppy I'll cut out some carbs and if the scale stops moving then it's time to up the carbs.

 

[IrishHandGrenade]

Anyone else wanna add their input?

 

[Dino Strong]

Yeah, actually I was gun run this to cut, but I decided to go for some pure lean mass instead.

It looks good for a mass cycle but none of the drugs in particular will make you any leaner. I would switch to test prop, tren a, and add T-3 at 50mcg at the least to insure lean mass gains with some fat loss

 

[IrishHandGrenade]

It looks good for a mass cycle but none of the drugs in particular will make you any leaner. I would switch to test prop, tren a, and add T-3 at 50mcg at the least to insure lean mass gains with some fat loss

I'm not too worried about fat loss, I'm just gonna try and bulk up without adding any extra fat or at least as little as possible.

 

[IrishHandGrenade]

Also, I was thinking about running a low dose of t3. I was thinking this might help keep any extra fat off while consuming extra calories and maybe increase my appetite. I also heard that T3 could help keep prolactin levels lower and since I'm running tren I though that would be another benefit.

 

[IrishHandGrenade]

Bump

 

[IrishHandGrenade]

Ok, so here's it is. Going to be starting monday.

1-14 Test E 500mg WK
1-14 EQ 400mg WK
1-4 Dbol 25mg ED
1-12 Tren E 300mg
1-12 T3 50mcg ED (ramped up and back down of course)
13-17 Winny 50mg
18- Start PCT