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Lat pull downs/shoulder press behind your head

Excidium28 said:
What do you guys think about Lat pull downs/shoulder press behind your head. I think its pointless.
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I dunno , I love behind the neck pressses. They hit more side delt whereas military press is more front delt. Lat pulldowns are worthless if you are bending your back and your neck downward as you pull the bar down. In both situations I try to arch the back some so there is room between my head and the bar. It's also good posture. Also I think if you're having trouble doing both then maybe your having some shoulder flexibility problems as you may have trouble positioning your arms behind your torso,
 
Behind The Neck Presses Are Fine As Long As Your Elbow Stays parallel with the torso.. so basically, make sure the elbow isnt in front or in back of torso..
right under your ear is the lowest you should come down.

i find the smith machine presses very helpful for that press.

But Behind The Back Pull Downs Are A Big No No!
Too Much Stress On The Rotator Cuff.
 
The Olympic lifters end up with the bar behind their heads at the end of an overhead lift for what that's worth.

I've never felt uncomfortable with behind the neck pressing. It probably serves to remove the chest from any possibility of joining in.

Shouldn't this be in the weights forum rather than the steroids forum?
 
satchboogie said:
Behind The Neck Presses Are Fine As Long As Your Elbow Stays parallel with the torso.. so basically, make sure the elbow isnt in front or in back of torso..
right under your ear is the lowest you should come down.

i find the smith machine presses very helpful for that press.

But Behind The Back Pull Downs Are A Big No No!
Too Much Stress On The Rotator Cuff.
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These stretches are good for rotator cuff
http://www.nismat.org/ptcor/tennis_shoulder/
 
i have always pulled down behind my neck. If you bend your back and neck, gjohnson is correct in saying that it is worthless because you are now cheating. I usually pull down front of my face under 150, and anything over behind the neck. Although with this being said, i have seen a pretty nasty neck injury when the cable breaks thus sending that bar right into the base of the neck.
 
Most people who do behond the neck pull down or pull ups just screw their rotator cuff and don't work their shoulders properly

It's more difficult than the other way round w/o significant benefits
 
I have been doing behind the necks for quite some time. How do you pull to the front and feel it is working your lats? It just feels ackward to me, but putting in heavy weight with the behind the necks to hurt my r. cuff.
 
satchboogie said:
Behind The Neck Presses Are Fine As Long As Your Elbow Stays parallel with the torso.. so basically, make sure the elbow isnt in front or in back of torso..
right under your ear is the lowest you should come down.

i find the smith machine presses very helpful for that press.

But Behind The Back Pull Downs Are A Big No No!
Too Much Stress On The Rotator Cuff.
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I do the same for behind the neck. I start with standing militery and the do Smith behind the neck. I set the stops just below parallel so I don't go two deep and get injured. Have had both shoulders cut already. Lat pull downs to the rear can't work your lats as well as with a good back arch to the front imo.
 
cwc73 said:
I have been doing behind the necks for quite some time. How do you pull to the front and feel it is working your lats? QUOTE]

Like nsashbl01 said. Arch your back and lean back pulling to about nipple height in a slow controlled motion. Kinda like a reverse incline bench.
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Like nsashbl01 said. Arch your back and lean back pulling to about nipple height in a slow controlled motion. Kinda like a reverse incline bench.
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It seems like this wouldn't hit the lats. I could be and I am pretty sure that I am wrong, but it seems like this would hit the upper, middle back much like a cable row. Am I wrong?
 
I do mine to the front in that same plane of motion but I like to keep it heavy and pull hard and fast. I don't like slow pulling unless it's entirely because I'm pulling at my limit. I usually only pull until the bar is below my chin. It definitely hits the lats. Anywhere else is a bonus.
 
I'll give these a try, but I don't know. I might just do more chin ups. The ones behind my neck are starting to take a toll.
 
does anyone have a video of these done properly? I can never remember that website with all of the animated videos.
 
lats are active in all rowing and pulling movements. don't over think the exercise. look at the big picture. RC health, and maximum shoulder stability while pulling or precarious shoulder position and "isolated" feeling/belief.
 
Every now and then I do them wit hlighter weight to mix things up. They don't really bother me but I'm not going to do them until them do!
 
So do you guys pull them straight down on the plane with shoulder presses, or do you lean really far back and do them like on the plane of inclines. How about that video? Does anyone have one?
 
look up, lean back slightly and pull so your forearms are directly in line with the cable. your back should be arched a bit. like how you would do a pullup correctly, not the rounded back head jutting forward last effort one, but the perfect first one everyone does. :D
 
bignate has described it to a T.

I don't strive to move my body but I'd be prepared to if I wanted another rep or two. It's a pull not a hurl backwards and hang on. :)
 
bignate73 said:
look up, lean back slightly and pull so your forearms are directly in line with the cable. your back should be arched a bit. like how you would do a pullup correctly, not the rounded back head jutting forward last effort one, but the perfect first one everyone does. :D
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Sorry, I missed this one. That explains it very well. I'll perfom these monday, but I have the feeling that the weight is going to have to be dropped considerably.
 
Nate hit the head on the nail!!!


If I had to explain it, I would say, if your seated and your torso is upright, your wrong, lean back a lil, put your hands on the bar to make your forearms be at 90 degree straight up and down, pull the weight down, you should be leaned back enough that the bar comes to about 1"-1.5"s from your nose,you really dont need to pull down any further than your nose or mouth area. Pulling the weight to your neck is mainly a joint movement. Have a great day, I just repeated Nate in my own complicated words

Man, I gotta piss like a horse race
 
Yea lean back. I have a sports trainer friend who is filled with knowledge and says to lean back. I feel it better when i do it that way too. Barbell rows are good for lats aswell.
 
Since my shoulder injury/surgery I have found doing close grip pulldowns with the triangle seated row bar to be very effective. I use very strict form, not leaning back, and pull down until it is right about level with my upper chest, hold for a count of 2 or 3, then slowly let the weight back down. It works for me.
 
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