Lamest First Post Part 2

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My stuff came in today. Ten week program:

300mgs/week Test Cyp 1.5 cc @ 200mg/ml;
1 cc of HCG SQ @ 10,000u;
1 50mg tab DHEA/day;
1 iu HGH/day 5 days on 2 days off;
2cc B-12.

Thoughts? The above is per the doctors script. Should I just go with it (its my first foray into AAS in 20 years) or should I sneak in a little EQ on the side?

 

[Bazl]

not flaming you mate, but if you need to ask so much, should prob do a bit more research.
what are your stats and goals? diet in check?

baz

 

[littleguy]

triple check your hcg dosing and let us know, or is the 10000iu's for your entire 10 week cycle?
If so, where does the 1 cc come into play?

 

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not flaming you mate, but if you need to ask so much, should prob do a bit more research.
what are your stats and goals? diet in check?

baz

Diet is good, everything else is in line.

Its just that when I first posted this doc's plan for me asking for input a lot of guys here commented that his plan looks kinda strange to them or doesn't seem to make sense. From what I can gather, they seem to be saying that its too much test for HRT and not enough for a cycle. My guess is that my doc is more of a AA doc than an HRT doc and that he caters to guys looking for growth rather than HRT. Do I think he plans on keeping me at 300 test/week? No probably not. Right now, I am more interested in growth than HRT so I am not complaining. Maybe that's stupid, but I figure I can always go down in dosing and I'd rather have a MD give me too much test than not enough. That said, because I want to start asap I am trying to get as much help as possible from the guys here.

You are right, I definitely do need to do more research on my own (and I working on that), but when I have a doc saying "do this" and the guys here are saying "huh? it doesn't add up?" It makes me wonder what the f*ck????

Just trying to get up to speed as fast as I can before I start on this plan. I appreciate very much everyone's input. Sorry if I am being a bit of a pain in the ass.

 

[bw1]

If you have a doc telling you this, discuss it with him. Ask him why he has you doing this, he may have a good explanation.

 

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triple check your HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - dosing and let us know, or is the 10000iu's for your entire 10 week cycle?
If so, where does the 1 cc come into play?

Geez, I hate to be such a retard, but I don't know. I spoke to the guy on the phone very briefly today. I pick it up tomorrow am when he will explain in detail exactly what he wants me to do. 1 cc makes no sense to me either. After I meet with him I am going to check back here before jumping in with both feet.

Swale's current HCG plan calls for 250iu twice per week (one two days b/f test shot and the other one day b/f test shot). Given the respect afforded him here and on other boards, I want to be sure that I ask the right questions of the doctor tomorrow and if his answers don't make sense based upon what I hear here, I may need to re-think following this plan. I know it seems like I am rushing for answers, but he wants to give me my first shots tomorrow and get me started so I am trying to learn as much as I can as fast as possible. If this guy is WAY off base, I want to know. Its hard to know at this point because I haven't had a real conversation with him since he drew up the plan. Tomorrow, I will have the chance to have that discussion and I want to be less of an ignoramous than I am right now so I can figure out whether he is a complete quack or not.

 

[Trendsetter21]

HCG should tell you the dosage on the bottle. Not sure why your only getting 1iu of hgh. I've mostly only heard of 4-6iu for hrt, but thats only what I've heard.

 

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HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - should tell you the dosage on the bottle. Not sure why your only getting 1iu of human growth hormone - somatropin - . I've mostly only heard of 4-6iu for hrt, but thats only what I've heard.

Doc's assistant was telling me the program over the phone today. Tomorrow AM I am going in and I will have the bottles in from of me along with the amount each injection is supposed to be and will be able to convert the CCs to dosage for myself. I'll know for sure then and will post it here without having to rely on a second-hand description from some assistant. Hopefully, I can talk about it intelligently with you then. Thanks.

 

[Bridger]

HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - should tell you the dosage on the bottle. Not sure why your only getting 1iu of human growth hormone - somatropin - . I've mostly only heard of 4-6iu for hrt, but thats only what I've heard.

Curious where you get the 4-6iu of GH for for hrt? HRT in my understanding is to replace low hormones levels to a normal level, which is achieved using around 1iu according to my endo and others i've heard that get prescribed growth. I could be mistaken though.

 

[jumpmaster82]

Only 1 iu of growth ED? That's weird bro

 

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Okay guys, I went in to get my gear and instructions from the doctor today. First, the doc wasn't in so I got my instuctions from his assistant (not good, I know...she didn't appear to know much except how to mix the compound with the bacteriostatic water and give the injections). Doc will be available next week for more detailed questions...he is on vacation this week!

What I can gather from the bottles etc is this (and please, please correct me if it looks like any of my suppositions is wrong.

Test Cyp. 200mg/ml - 1.5cc once/week - pretty self explanatory - 300mgs/week;

HCG (HCG bottle says 10,000u and H20 is 10ml - I take it that means once mixed I'll have a compound that is 1000u/ml) - 1cc/once per week - so it follows that Dr. is scripting 1000u/week shot all in one dose same day as test - this is at odds with Swale recommendations:

"It is important that no more than 500IU of HCG be administered on any given day. There is only just so much stimulation possible, and exceeding that not only is wasteful, doing so has important negative consequences. Higher doses overly stimulate testicular aromatase, which inappropriately raises estrogen levels, and brings on the detrimental effects of same. It also causes Leydig cell desentization to LH, and we are therefore inducing primary hypogonadism while perhaps treating secondary hypogonadism. 250IU QD is an effective, and safe, dose. After all, we are merely replacing that which is lost to inhibition."

See full article here http://www.allthingsmale.com/word_docs/HCGupdate.doc

At 1000u/day, my doc is violating that instruction. At a total of 1000u in one day my guy is doubling Swales daily recommended limit. Swale goes on to say that his recommendation is 250u two days before test and another 250 day before test. My feeling is that I should follow Swale's recommedation here. What do you guys think?

HGH (bottle says 5.8mg/vial - its to be mixed with 1.8 cc of H20 -yielding 18u @ 0.322 mgs/u or 0.32mgs/day - 5 days on 2 off);

B-12 -2cc once/week.

Okay. That is it, I can stop pestering you guys about this stuff. Thoughts? Follow Dr? Follow Swale?

I'd love to bump the test to 400 and 400 EQ for 10 weeks to get me started. Thanks for all your comments.

 

[BIGBUCK$]

shaaaaaaaady

 

[littleguy]

Only 1 iu of growth ED? That's weird bro

For bodybuilding 1 iu is very low, but for hrt 1-1 1/2 is a regular replacement dose.
Swales protocal seems to be best researched one out there, but give your doc the opportunity to explain his theory.
The dosing on the hcg, if there even is any would not be accurate for males and females, both of which use this drug, therefore, there probably isn't any.

Check Organon's website for any further info and see what you can get.

All in all I would say you have struck a gold mine with your hrt program, and I would not mess around with the stacking of other drugs until you get a baseline to see where this leads you, as previously mentioned this may have all began with your improper administration of AAS at too young of an age.

Good luck

 

[njmuscleguy]

Ok, everyone needs to keep in mind that this "doctor" that he went to for his stuff is one of those "HRT clinics". As typical, they prescribe a whole bunch of compounds, at dosages usually within cycle range as opposed to HRT.

Dude, the "cycle" your "doctor" prescribed is all over the place. You have to decide if you're doing HRT or if you're doing a cycle. If you're doing HRT, you need to follow something more like what Swale suggests. Dosages of 400mg+ of test and E Q are a cycle.... heck, E Q isn't even part of any "standard" HRT regimen.

You can't ask us all for help or feedback on that regimen unless you first decide for yourself what it is you're looking to do. IMO, those HRT clinics usually blindly hand out short-time (10-week) cycles of a myriad of candy (test, de-ca, growth, a-dex, etc). That is NOT HRT. If you're looking to get a cycle legally, then so be it... but call it that and then follow the rules of a cycle, not HRT. This is your health dude, don't screw around with it.

 

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For bodybuilding 1 iu is very low, but for hrt 1-1 1/2 is a regular replacement dose.
Swales protocal seems to be best researched one out there, but give your doc the opportunity to explain his theory.
The dosing on the HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - human chorionic gonadotropin - , if there even is any would not be accurate for males and females, both of which use this drug, therefore, there probably isn't any.

Check Organon's website for any further info and see what you can get.

All in all I would say you have struck a gold mine with your hrt program, and I would not mess around with the stacking of other drugs until you get a baseline to see where this leads you, as previously mentioned this may have all began with your improper administration of anabolic androgenic steroids at too young of an age.

Good luck

Thanks for the wisdom LG. I just need to "settle down Bevis!" and be more patient. I have all the time in the world to ratchet up...

 

[Bridger]

Ok, everyone needs to keep in mind that this "doctor" that he went to for his stuff is one of those "HRT clinics". As typical, they prescribe a whole bunch of compounds, at dosages usually within cycle range as opposed to HRT.

Dude, the "cycle" your "doctor" prescribed is all over the place. You have to decide if you're doing HRT or if you're doing a cycle. If you're doing HRT, you need to follow something more like what Swale suggests. Dosages of 400mg+ of test and E Q are a cycle.... heck, E Q isn't even part of any "standard" HRT regimen.

You can't ask us all for help or feedback on that regimen unless you first decide for yourself what it is you're looking to do. IMO, those HRT clinics usually blindly hand out short-time (10-week) cycles of a myriad of candy (test, de-ca, growth, a-dex, etc). That is NOT HRT. If you're looking to get a cycle legally, then so be it... but call it that and then follow the rules of a cycle, not HRT. This is your health dude, don't screw around with it.

Good advice.

You need to know exactly what you are trying to achieve. A cycle or HRT? Your long term intentions? Before you head down a path like this, a path you sound like you don't know much about, know where you want to end up.

 

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The truth is I am after growth and that means a cycle.

This doc is nearly scripting me a first cycle as it is (300mg/week), but obviously he can't just come out a do that and I can't just come out and ask for one. For legal reasons, we are doing that dance right now...as I go forward and he sees how I am tolerating the 300mgs test, I am SURE that he will be willing to script me higher doses (hence our conversation where I said " doc, some clinics are prescribing Nandralone, is that something you guys ever use here?" and he said "yes, but lets see how you do as far as achieving your goals on these meds, then we'll discuss whether we need to increase dosages or add medications). That is where I am with this guy right now. As soon as I feel like I can get increased dosing from him, I'll go for it but for now I gues I am gonna roll with this dosing (although, I am going to talk to him on Tuesday about his HCG plan vs. Swale's plan.

 

[eddymerckx]

at 300 mg/week of test you should not really need to use h/c/g. that much--just use a caliper or string to measure your nuts and use the hcg if there is a big change in size.......but many will disagree with me

 

[njmuscleguy]

1000iu H C G is definitely too much per week....I'd say 250iu, twice a week at most. It's such a light "cycle" he's recommending.

As for the H G H, you'll be suppressing your own natural growth hormone even with such a small quantity so you'd probably either want to take enough to make that shutdown worth it, or not take it at all... did he test your natural g h levels? If they're deficient, then that dosage is just fine...it'd probably be enough to match what your body would make normally

 

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1000iu H C G is definitely too much per week....I'd say 250iu, twice a week at most. It's such a light "cycle" he's recommending.

As for the H G H, you'll be suppressing your own natural growth hormone even with such a small quantity so you'd probably either want to take enough to make that shutdown worth it, or not take it at all... did he test your natural g h levels? If they're deficient, then that dosage is just fine...it'd probably be enough to match what your body would make normally

Yep that's what I did to day. I injected 250iu HCG and am gonna do that 2x week...I'll still ask my doc for his reasoning, but right now based upon Swale that is my plan.

Yeah, my gh levels were low. Man, at these prices, who can afford to do more than 1.0iu a day for 10 weeks its like a 1200!!!

 

[eddymerckx]

Yep that's what I did to day. I injected 250iu HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - and am gonna do that 2x week...I'll still ask my doc for his reasoning, but right now based upon Swale that is my plan.

Yeah, my gh - growth hormone (somatropin) - levels were low. Man, at these prices, who can afford to do more than 1.0iu a day for 10 weeks its like a 1200!!!

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