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2ncourage

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Ok I know I'm going to get major flames here, but I am going to start DNP and I am going to post daily for anyone who is curious or wanting to make input. First of all I am seeing an endocrinologist, a longevity specialist and a regular family physician. I have had every enzyme, level and more bloodwork done than you can imagine. My excessive fat gain has been attributed to a rare virus that has been taken care of now. And one important note one of my physicians has helped people use DNP safely for over 40 years. Most of them women. So here is my information. Tomorrow I will start my carb deplete and when I start taking the DNP I will report.

I am 32. Female. I've had a total hystectomy except for my ovaries but they don't really work. I weigh 123 pounds, but my body fat is now around 23%. Every day I eat about 175 grams of protein and I do relatively low carb and very low fat. I'll not be low-carbing during my DNP. I take glucorell R before every carb meal. I take Milk Thistle, Ketotifen and NAC along with some melantonin before going to bed. I take a time released multivitamin in the morning and I alternate Clen with Ephedra, but neither really work anymore. I do cardio in the morning. Weights in the evening and Pilates every night. I go to physical therapy every wednesday to work on my loss of flexibility. I take cytomel by prescription (not self medicated) .25mcgs in the morning and .25mcgs in the evening.

I'm wondering if I should use phentermine for assuaging hunger while on DNP.

Please don't scream at me. I don't need that. I wouldn't be going to such a drastic measure if diet, exercise and supplements had worked. I've gained 20 pounds of fat in 6 months and in my personal situation the more fat I have the more estrogen I have and the worse my cancer gets. So I don't want to hear it. I would appreciate any tips or opinions
 
Wwoo.. GOOD LUCK with the DNP lady!!!!!
And you're very lucky to find a physician that is so open minded as to use DNP in patients. Please do keep us updated!
 
What dose did he recommend? What sides/precautions did he mention? What will the cycle look like?
Best of Luck--be safe,
--nucman
 
You are 32 and weigh 123 lbs. With EXCESSIVE FAT GAIN?! My wife weighs 128 and looks awesome. She is 5'7", so maybe you are just really short, but unless you are under 5', or there is more info you are not telling us, I cannot support this decision in good conscious.

I am really sorry to hear about your rare virus, and everything else you have gone through, and am encouraged by the fact that you have been consulting with an MD. But really, DNP? Have you tried comming clean for a few months of the ECA and clen so your body is not so used to them? What are you taking for your cancer? If estrogen is a huge problem for you have you considered supplementing a low dose of test? What if you took something that doesnt aromatize? I am not screaming at you, or attacking you personally, just offering my thoughts.
 
I'm almost 5 foot and no I don't have an eating disorder. My body fat has not been over 10% ever until I got sick. The textbook info that women aren't healthy unless they have at least 15% fat is a lie. I was always healthy. 23% is not healthy when the fat makes estrogen and the estrogen makes you sick. My mind is made up, but I'm going to be smart about it. I'm also only going to use 100 mgs. and according to my doc I'll be on it 3 or 4 days a week for about a month as opposed to the way it is usually taken. I'll also be taking pharmaceutical grade supps while on. I know it's risky. BUt also there is some sort of antidote that can be given very quickly if needed. Some kind of an iv antihistamine or something.

Today begins my carb deplete.
 
I have never used DNP but I have read a lot of the wicked shit that can happen with it. Either way, You sound as if you are educated on the subject, you know the risks, and you are doing it under the supervision of a M.D.
I say go for it and good luck, I will read you update posts with interest. I have seen a lot of people use meds with a lot less education...so it sound as if you are prepared.

As far as the phentermine....I would only recommend it if you consult the MD. If you are goin to do this with the MD's help then at least be honest with them. Get his/her opinion. I can tell you that I have used Phentermine for 3 days, and my hunger is not curbed...it may be because I am using EQ that has a counter effect, I don't know. But I can tell you this, while on phentermine, when I do eat, I almost get a wave of nausea. And it gives me the shits. I am on the can at least 4 time per day with the phentermine.... It's up to you and the MD.
 
Have you tried a thermorexin/Liprorexin combo? There are other alternaitves to DNP than ephedra and clen(which isn't noted for working all that well on women anyways). I've got my mom on a glucorel-r/t-rex/l-rex combo stack and she has lost close to 15 lbs in 2 mounths.
 
i know 3 females who are frequent dnp users; one is currently on it. interestingly, they tolerate more than i do. i get really sweaty at 400mg ed (weigh 210 lbs) while a 120 lbs lady easily tolerates 600mg ed (powder). 400mg produces just an overall warm feeling for all females i know. of course, you should start at a low dose like 100mg and work yourself up every 36 hours, since the half life of dnp is >1 day.
hunger pangs stay away with a low carb diet. some say one should not omit carbs with dnp but i cannot eat carbs without entering a binge eating spiral. one female i know uses x-112, some appetite suppressant from switzerland, i works like sibutramine i ve been told; probably phentermine would also work. but i still think that lowcarb is the way to go because in the end you have to stop dnp sooner or later and a low carb diet helps to keep the fat off and protects you from overeating.

i wonder where the estrogen you talk about comes from. if your ovaries do not function anymore then estrogen can only come from aromatization. you are correct in that aromatization occurs mainly in fat tissue but it can easily be blocked by using an aromtase inhibitor: arimidex, femara and aromasin are available in the US for this purpose. if you have a cancer that feeds on estrogen you should already be on one of these drugs, preferably on exemestane (aromasin) or letrozole (femara), the most powerful ones. anastrozole (arimidex) also does the job, not that effective as the other ones, but its cheaper.
 
I was put on test and I did not respond. The topical stuff he had made at a compound pharmacy and put into syringes. started at 1cc a day up to 5 with no response. Same for DHEA.

I appreciate your concern and thoughts. Part of why I came to this board is years of frustration with medical community. My father died with myleofibrosis and I watched him deteriorate. I REFUSE TO GIVE IN TO THIS. I will get my strength back. I will one day complete my contract with the Guiness book of records for the worlds longest bike ride. I will not quit. This isn't about appearance. I look fine. My husband adores me and he loves my body. This is about getting back to where I was and that starts with body fat for me. (have you ever seen a cyclist with 23% body fat?)
Thanks for concern. I'm being smart about this. But I am cmmitted.
 
You are committed, and I am glad to see you seem to be being monitored by a DR and seem to have taken precautions and done your homework.

While I don't know if I can agree with the fact that your weight/BF is excessively unhealthy or unattractive - I realize I don't know you and your body.

I only hope the DNP gives you what you are looking for - it is a big risk to take.

Good luck. :)
 
yep there was a guy who posted here who suppossedly died from DNP, but in other posts he spoke about recreational drugs as well, hopefully she will only do dnp and leave the other drugs alone until all dnp is out of her system
 
Anti estrogens make me so sick I can't function. I've been on megase, novaldex, you name it. Done with that. Doc sent me to a compound pharmacy and gave me some pharmaceutical grade supps for this. He also told me to take 800mgs of isomer e daily. Today was one day carb deplete. I'm doing major cardio while I can. Also I'll go once a week for blood test and monitoring.

And guys remember if I get seriously overheated I go to the ER and get the antidote. It's just major iv antihistamine. I'm gonna be fine. You forget I'm going to do a very low dose to try this.

Anyways I'm constantly freezing. I may love this stuff!:-)
 
Triple G. My understanding of everything I've read about DNP says that after the initial 3 day carb deplete you have to eat 30 to 50% carbs in order to burn fat. You have to keep dietary fat very low.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Received capsules today. I'll start tonight or tomorrow and report. It is my sincere desire that those of you out there with more knowledge and experience than I can use anything thing I share to help educate others. It is not my desire to glamorize or downplay the risks. I may quit at day 4 who knows? Or maybe I'll come through just fine and somehting will be learned. I knew when I shared my intent that i would be oppened up to ridicule, scrutiny, and ultimately a reputation as an idiot. I can ony hope that in the end my experience will be used for good.
 
Did you see the ER/ICU thread that is now a sticky on this page? Maybe something to consider, the histamine reaction and all.
 
2ncourage said:
Received capsules today. I'll start tonight or tomorrow and report. It is my sincere desire that those of you out there with more knowledge and experience than I can use anything thing I share to help educate others. It is not my desire to glamorize or downplay the risks. I may quit at day 4 who knows? Or maybe I'll come through just fine and somehting will be learned. I knew when I shared my intent that i would be oppened up to ridicule, scrutiny, and ultimately a reputation as an idiot. I can ony hope that in the end my experience will be used for good.
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It's great to educate others on one's experience, please keep this threat alive and let us know how well (hopefuly) you do. BTW: I would take my first dose in the night, I would prefer taking it first thing in the morning as to have several hours after the dose awake to see everything's ok. BTW: As you can see in MrMakaveli's case, even a low dose can cause havoc. I hope you've learned from his case and have Benadryl on hand and started taking Quercetin even before starting the DNP.
 
good luck with this whole thing 2ncourage, sounds like you have run out of options to control your estrogen and have a very very understanding doctor if indeed he/she is going to help you into what is commonly regarded as an unhealthy weight range for a woman

im a pharmacist and i would love the opportunity to correspond with your doctor, especially if they have past experience with modern DNP use. if you think it would be appropriate, could you perhaps forward their email adress to me, even if just to get hold of some updated studies/info they might have done and not circulated widely

also, what form of DNP are you taking? is it prescription stuff or is your doctor helping you use illicitly produced medications?

anyhow im not a cop or affiliated with any law enforcement (this statement should prove im not trying for entrapment) im just a guy who wants to learn about what could be a very useful drug...so long as there is modern info on it

cheers
 
GoldenDelicious said:

anyhow im not a cop or affiliated with any law enforcement (this statement should prove im not trying for entrapment)
cheers
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Um yeah, you have seen too many movies. That statement would prove nothing. Undercover officers can and do deny being officers all the time, it can mean the difference between life and death for them in some cases and it doesnt make a bit of difference when prosecuting someone.

Entrapment is not getting someone to incriminate themselves, it is only a defense when someone is coerced into a course of action by an officer that they would not have normally done.

Thus an undercover female cop posing as a hooker to bust the johns is ok. The john was going to use the hooker and by bad luck got the cop. Same goes for drug deals, etc.

Anyways, GD, not saying you are a cop or anything, but just telling you this isnt some magical statement or something. You are not safe when committing illegal acts just because someone tells you the are not a cop.
 
First to clear up questions and then for my first update. If I can get access to a scanner I will try to post my tests as they are done. With my name blocked out, but with the lab visible since they do millions of test. I got my dnp from my wonderful reliable source and had a local source test it. It is crystalized DNP.

And if anyone is a cop, well DNP is not illegal per se. And I have cancer, lupus and some weird freekin cyclomegalavirus. So turn me in. Instead of jail I'd get a nice long stay in a hospital.
 
Now on to the real stuff. I have 200mg dnp capsules. Last night I opened one and poured a little over half down the drain. By the way if anyone knows how I could store my extra let me know. I took my potassium supps, melantonin, taurine, and 2 multivitamins and went to bed. Nothing to report.

This afternoon did the same. I've had 2 gallons of water with electrolytes to drink. An apple, a luna bar, a low fat peanut butter sandwhich and for dinner I had chicken with rice heavy on the chicken.

I was a little nauseated today but I didn't throw up and other than that the only thing I noticed was that about 30 minutes after I took the DNP I was laying in bed and a chill went over me. That's it. And my pee looks like a flourescent marker.
So at this time tomorrow if I have no sides I'm going to use 100mgs for 3 days and see how that goes.
 
Also could someone tell me If I should still use my glucorell-r before carb meals.

And also I never said doc gave me a prescription. I said that he couldn't talk me out of it and that he was going to help me be safe and that he had other women who had done likewise. There is no prescription DNP.
 
Be carefull with SDNP, its way more potent than powder. i also experience the chills sometimes, i believe its from the temp of your surroundings heating up faster than your body recognises(something similar happens when you have the flu and get the chills).
BTW, DNP might be benificial in treating cancer......malignant cells are more temp sensitive then normal cells........
What kind of cancer do you have? Why use DNP now, i would think treatment of cancer would come first???........
 
Buy some empty capsules and pour the remainder into them. I would not raise the dose for 3-4 days. I did and I shouldn't have in retrospect.
 
the whole idea on DNP is to use up the carbs so the body turns to burning fat more. Why the hell would you need insulin unless you were looking to kill yourself?
 
I'll lurky by this thread from time to time to give you advice.

Fonz

Btw, the intensity of the heat felt from the DNP is related to the dosage and the amount of carbs consumed.

BUT, something I recently learned you can reduce the heat felt from the carbs you eat by eating LOWER GI carbs. SO, even though DNP dosage and carb dosage remains the same, heat production is lower.

It actually isn't lowered, its just that the body more efficiently gets rid of the carbs due to their low glycaemic nature. The DNP blocks their conversion at a slower rate.
Higher GI carbs hit the blood-stream very fast, so the DNP has to block their conversion to cellular energy(ATP) very quickly...hence the vast rise in heat.

In essence,

Low GI carbs are blocked by the DNP at a smaller rate because of the fact they cause a very mild rise in blood glucose.(Remember carbs are converted to glucose), therefore, the DNP can block the glucose from becoming ATP at a slower rate(even though carb content in grams is the same as the HI GI ones below), creating less heat.

HI GI carbs are blocked by the DNP at a faster rate because of the fact they cause huge rise in blood glucose.(Remember carbs are converted to glucose), therefore, the DNP has to block the glucose from becoming ATP at a faster rate, creating a lot more heat.

Fonz
 
Fonz, that seems contradictory to Andy13 saying that fructose carbs would make you feel less heat, if in fact that's what he was saying.
 
there are a few guys out there who use insulin along with it, i remember reading the explanation but only with half an eye- i think they were trying to control some sensitivity to something or other

lol helpful arent i :p

anyway, cant believe a doc is helping you out on this one. i wouldnt go near it without a very good insurance policy...VERY good insurance policy
 
Dial_tone said:
Fonz, that seems contradictory to Andy13 saying that fructose carbs would make you feel less heat, if in fact that's what he was saying.
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Fructose: GI = 20 (Scale of 100)

Fructose is a very low GI carb.

Galactose amd lactose somewhere bewteen 30 and 40.

Sucrose(a fructose-glucose) molecule = 59

glucose = 100

Maltose = 110

Fonz
 
Fonz, first of all I really appreciate your "lurking". Love feedback from a pro! As for my cancer started out as complex endometrial hyperplasia with atypia. I've had a hysterectomy to treat that. Now I have what my dad died with which is myleofibrosis. Nothing really helps, but with agressive treatment I could live into my 80's. Interesting about dnp and cancer. Bloodwork will tell.

Ok so last night I took 50mgs dnp with some potassium. some cranberry juice and regular supps. Slept like a baby. So I figure I'll do the 50 for two more days to be sure and go up to 75.

Okay well off to work. I took 2 ripped fuel about an hour ago. I did wake up hungry. Had a low fat peanut butter on one slice of rye with my glucorell this morning and some cranberry juice and a granny smith apple for breakfast. Lunch will be 2 chicken breast on my salad. Got my 2 gallons of water going with me.

Have a great day ya'll!
 
Well folks all is well here. I took 75mgs about 2 hours ago and still doing fine. Did a good job of getting in my protein today. Ate all the lean meat from a rotisserie chicken throughout the day. I can't find any stinking glycerine. I've taken my temp all day and the highest it's been is 97.8 which is a little high for me. My normal temp is 97.2. Strangely I almost like how I feel. I'm so used to my heart racing from clen that I feel calm somehow. My heart rate has been in the 60's all day. Woke up and it was 38 which is very normal for me. I'm doing my pilates video at home, but skipped the gym since the bejeebers has been scared out of me. I'm wishing I would have gone to be honest. And I'm having no problem with hunger either. I only took those 2 ripped fuel this morning. In fact if I had a complaint at all it would be that I'm a little nauseated, but thats it. I've been sucking on frozen strawberries all day too. Drank tons of water.
So all is good for now. I realize that things can turn quickly so I've got the bendryl on hand. If all us good tomorrow I'll do 75mgs for another day and then go to 100.

Is it normal to feel okay on this stuff?
 
2ncourage said:

Is it normal to feel okay on this stuff?
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No, but you are easing into it more than most here do. Wait until you are on 200 or more per day.

DNP builds up in your system, so as you know the effect is cumulative.
 
Please bear with the poor analogy..

Your goal is to mobilize fatty acids (trees), cut them down, and feed them to your furnace inside of your house as logs.

Your house is a cell, your furnace is your mito, where DNP acts.

It takes some time to cut down trees, saw them, and then take them to the furnace where they burn slowly.. It can't be made much faster. On the other hand, you could throw some gasoline into your furnace, and the fire will quickly burn up the fuel you gave it, later returning to the wood.

Consuming carbs is like throwing gasoline into your furnace. You are NOT burning anymore fat (you can only haul so many logs so fast). You are only burning the fuel you just gave it..

Likewise, sugars entering the blood faster will get to your furnace faster and make MORE heat.. On the other hand, sugars taking longer to enter your furnace will drip in a little at a time, and, perhaps not make such a noticeable rise in temperature.

Just remember that you can make your furnace hot as shit by pouring gasoline in.. But it ain’t gonna help you in the process of cutting trees up, and hauling them in.
 
my gf started with 200mg powder and felt nothing. 200mg for me generates noticeable heat. then she went on to 400mg and got a slight warm feeling and did sweat a lot more in the gym. 400mg generates almost unbearable sweatiness and heat for me, almost impossible to function in the office. on friday she took 600mg for the first time and had a horrible night, sweating all over and very tired in the morning. she took several cold showers during that night. she then took 400mg on sat. and continued to sweat profusely, she had a better sleep that night though. she is now taking a break for 4 days, temperature was down on monday to almost normal levels. she has had visible fat loss, her pants have loosend up quite a bit.

what to eat on dnp is the same controversial issue as to what to eat when doing cardio. some say eat a lot of carbs because you then can do more intensive cardio burning not only off the carbs but also more fat than you could when starving yourself.
others say keep carbs low to prime the body for fat burning.
for me eating atkins-style works best. and even without eating carbs i get hot at only 400mg dnp; i would not even want to increase the heat there.
 
Andy13 so you say to eat low carb ? like 10 or 20% ?
I was under the impression 50% carbs, 30% protein and 20% fats was the ticket.. (only low gi carbs)
 
junk said:
Andy13 so you say to eat low carb ? like 10 or 20% ?
I was under the impression 50% carbs, 30% protein and 20% fats was the ticket.. (only low gi carbs)
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bump!
 
Good morning all. It 6am here. Slept like a baby. My temperature is 97.6. I can't do the v8 juice thing so I found some orange juice with 450 mgs potassium and I'm drinking that for breakfast. I also had chicken breast with bbq sauce, took GlucorellR, .25mgs cytomel, my multi, taurine, tyrosine, nac, glutathione and one 15mg winnie capsule. Decided I didn't want to lose my muscle in the process. And I love winnine. No sides with it. BUT.....I use one capsules every 3 days. I guess I could split it maybe. I'm not going to take the DNP this morning because I have a 7 hour meeting with corporate today. Don't want to look like I'm having hot flashes:-) I'll take capsule with me and take after meeting. I'm gonna still take 75 today just to be safe.
If your girlfriend would be open to talking to me my email is 2ncourage@elitefitness. I'd like to talk to a girlie who has done this.

It's really cold here and last night I slept under and electric blanket. So I guess all is bueno.
Thanks for support folks. Tomorrow I go to the doctor and I'll post info.

have a wonderful day all!
 
junk said:
Andy13 so you say to eat low carb ? like 10 or 20% ?
I was under the impression 50% carbs, 30% protein and 20% fats was the ticket.. (only low gi carbs)
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It really doesn't matter... However, you will feel less discomfort when carb intake is kept minimal.

Andy
 
Andy, ive been thinking that increase in body temp increases thermogenesis (thermos, when you hav the Flu) and can actually help you loose more weight? To the extent with DNP, dont know.......at least it hastens the breakdown and movement of glycogen stores???/

what do ya think>?
 
Okay I need some help from you guys. Still no heat. No nausea today. My feet kinda cramp up like a charley horse so I'm downing the oj 1000 milligrams potassium.

Today during the meeting the inside of both my arms got little red bumps on them. NO Pain, no itch. I took 1 200mg Benadryl and they were completely gone in an hour.

Anyone have any feedback?
 
Okay I need some help from you guys. Still no heat. No nausea today. My feet kinda cramp up like a charley horse so I'm downing the oj 1000 milligrams potassium.

Today during meeting I got little red bumps on the inside of my arms. I took 1 200mg benadryl and it went away in about an hour.

ANy feedback?
 
First off I felt fine today. No nausea. Not increase in temp. Nothing. At about 1pm today I got little red bumps on the inside of my arms. I took 1 200mg benadryl and bumps dissappeared in an hour. At 5pm I took another 50mgs dnp.

2 hours later my feet cramped up so I drank enough OJ for 1000 mgs potassiums. Cramps are gone now.

So is this normal?
And can I take benadryl with dnp or will benadryl reduce effectiveness?

I'm not even hot at all. I wonder if it's even working.

Feedback would be appreciated.
 
How many days has it been?
 
telling the dif

Fonz or anyone is there a way that I can tell by looking at the powder in the capsules if it's powder or crystal. I thought it was crystal because its kinda moist inside, but now I wonder.

Is it likely to get fake DNP? I really trust my source they are wonderful, but this stuff didn't exactly come from the source so I'm kinda wondering. Should have had em tested. One thing is for sure it's not speed or excstacy:-) Are there any tell-tale signs other than the yellow?

It's 11 pm my time, my temp is still low and I honestly can't tell I'm on anything at this point. Bumps are still gone.

Can you take benadryl with the dnp just as a preventative or does that reduce effectiveness?

thanks.
 
I would go to 200mg next dose then back to 100mg the day after that. Give that 200mg time to "hit you" before you commit to it every day. I went up too fast at first. I took 200mg day 1 & 2, 400mg day 3 and 600mg day 4. 600mg was too much for me to stay on so I ended that after one day. The moment I stepped out of the fan breeze I burst out in sweat.
I take my dose between 7-11pm. I want the worst part to be at night. I sleep alone unfortunately and I work 9-5 in a job I can't afford to be sweating profusely in, although I do have a fan blowing right on me at work.
 
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2ncourage said:
Fonz or anyone is there a way that I can tell by looking at the powder in the capsules if it's powder or crystal. I thought it was crystal because its kinda moist inside, but now I wonder.

Is it likely to get fake DNP? I really trust my source they are wonderful, but this stuff didn't exactly come from the source so I'm kinda wondering. Should have had em tested. One thing is for sure it's not speed or excstacy:-) Are there any tell-tale signs other than the yellow?

It's 11 pm my time, my temp is still low and I honestly can't tell I'm on anything at this point. Bumps are still gone.

Can you take benadryl with the dnp just as a preventative or does that reduce effectiveness?

thanks.
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Put 2 caps in a normal clear zilploc bag...leave in a drawer.
Wait 2 days, The bag should be stained yellow.

DNP stains EVERYHTING.

And its not crystal.....the DNP would hit you WAY faster.

Fonz
 
When I"m on 200mg/day I don't feel much at all really. However, about 2-3 days after I come off 200mg/day I feel noticeably cooler.....very odd.
 
400mg is the upper limit of what I could stand to stay on for more than 3 days. I feel fine during the day at 400mg but that's where the night sweating kicks in.
I'm 39, 5'8", 245 lbs, training 25+ years, 7-8 AAS cycles.
 
Dial_tone said:
I would go to 200mg next dose then back to 100mg the day after that. Give that 200mg time to "hit you" before you commit to it every day. I went up too fast at first. I took 200mg day 1 & 2, 400mg day 3 and 600mg day 4. 600mg was too much for me to stay on so I ended that after one day. The moment I stepped out of the fan breeze I burst out in sweat.
I take my dose between 7-11pm. I want the worst part to be at night. I sleep alone unfortunately and I work 9-5 in a job I can't afford to be sweating profusely in, although I do have a fan blowing right on me at work.
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I'm the same way..its 24 degrees outside..i'm wearing shorts and sitting in front of a fan on only 400mgs a day. I did 200 day 1 and Day 2. 400mgs since and this is day 10. My townhouse is kept at a nice warm 60 and I walk around in my boxers as my girl is dressed to go skiing when she gets into bed because I have a box fan 2 ft from my head. I had wicked bad sweats last night, got a little dehydrated because my mouth was really dry. Already went through my 2 gallons today and still sweating everytime I leave my desk and my fan.
 
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2ncourage said:
Fonz or anyone is there a way that I can tell by looking at the powder in the capsules if it's powder or crystal. I thought it was crystal because its kinda moist inside, but now I wonder.

Is it likely to get fake DNP? I really trust my source they are wonderful, but this stuff didn't exactly come from the source so I'm kinda wondering. Should have had em tested. One thing is for sure it's not speed or excstacy:-) Are there any tell-tale signs other than the yellow?

It's 11 pm my time, my temp is still low and I honestly can't tell I'm on anything at this point. Bumps are still gone.

Can you take benadryl with the dnp just as a preventative or does that reduce effectiveness?

thanks.
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Open up one of the caps and add it to a minimal amount of water. Crystal will dissolve immediately.. Powder will clump together.

Andy
 
okay guys well here's what I think. I didn't go to doc today bacuse weather here is horrible and roads are bad, but I did talk to him.
 
Sorry about that. Here's what I think. In the 20's/30's they were prescribed for a month at a time in low dosages appropriate to women since few men were overweight at that time. It took longer. So maybe I need to be patient and count my blessing that I'm not miserable. This afternoon I opened my capsule and this time I only poured out the small side. People have got me so freakin scared that maybe I'm underdosed. It's freezing here so if I'm still cool I'm gonna take a whole capsule tomorrow.

I really appreciate the legit comments and help I've gotten here. I appreciate my elite family. This is scary I won't lie, but there being cautious and then there just being a weenie. It's afternoon where I am so I'm gonna eat some carbs for dinner and see if I heat up at all and try those water tests. I know my stuff is real. Maybe I just have powder and I've underdosed.

Update later. And again, many thanks.
 
Dial_tone said:
When I"m on 200mg/day I don't feel much at all really. However, about 2-3 days after I come off 200mg/day I feel noticeably cooler.....very odd.
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Reduced T4-T3 conversion in your liver caused by the DNP(The DNP essentially has now depleted your liver glycogen) has reduced your blood plasma free T3 levels enough after 2-3 days to drop your temperature from your standard 98.2F-98.6F(36.8C-37.0C) to about 96.8-97.2F(36.0C-36.2C). Your body has only about 2 days worth of plasma T3 before, your temp starts to drop. Same principle applies to ketogenic diets. After 48hrs, when their glycogen stores are used up, their temp decreases due to reduced plasma T3 levels, from the reduced hepatic T4-T3 conversion rates.

While this may sound bad , its rather good......it means less protein is being broken down for fuel(T3 works through proteolytic mechanisms).

Fonz
 
Wouldn't the drop in body temperature make the DNP less effective? I have some liquid T-3 but it's about gone.
 
well for what its worth I've taken the full 200 mgs. and all is good so far. I'm going to bed now and I'll update in the morning. My husband says my tummy pooch is gone. Maybe this is just a different way to go about it. I'm taking good supps and drinking lots of orange juice. Guess we'll see.
night all and thanks for support.
 
i was going to ask how you feel about your fat loss. theres no real reason to guage success by sides rather tahn the result youre after, especially when you consider that youre likely holding water at the moment as well
 
2ncourage said:
It's definitely clumping. I'm underdosed.
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That doesn't mean it's underdosed. It just means it's the powdered DNP form and not the Crystal one, that's all. Powder is 'safer' since it gets absorbed slower.
 
question

I went to some other boards last night and did a search on Women and Dnp. Interesting stuff. My reaction or lack therof is pretty common in women. Most don't feel anything on 200 mgs of powder. Most in fact do 300 to 400 every 36 hours. I'm sticking with my plan. I've become such a little ephedra junky that if I'm not miserable I think things aren't working. So tomorrow I'll just put myself on the scale and we'll see.

Strangely enough when I started this I was bloated. I'm always bloated though. Since doing this I'm retaining less water.

If anyone has an explanation why DNp would be less harsh on women please clue us in.

I sent karma all around last night. Let me know if you got skipped!
 
my gf also has to take almost twice the amount i take to feel the same heat. and she has half the weight of me. she has a lower metabolism while i sweat very easily. it just takes more dnp to eleveate her metabolism enough to get hot.
 
definitely kicked in finally

Golden, excellent comment about not judging by sides. But the heat wave showed up at about 3am! lol Not horrible though. I'm a bit itchy.

Can I take a small dose of benadryl with the dnp or does that destroy it's effectiveness?
 
doing just fine

Gonna go to bed now and take a full capsule in the morning. I feel just fine.

Can I use clen instead of ephedra with this?
 
up to 300 mgs. doing fine.

can I use clen instead of ephedra?
Can I still use my yohimburn on my tummy?

Can I go up to 400mgs?

thanks
 
never heard of using clen; what's wrong with ephedra and what's the hurry to raise the dose? Have you lost any weight? I have a slow metabolism and I could lose 1/2 lb/day on 400mg.
 
I think this is going to go down in history as the person-who-knew-the-least-about-DNP-but-still-did-it thread. Does anyone else remember the old days when we read everything we could and learned everything we could BEFORE we took DNP?
 
SofaGeorge said:
I think this is going to go down in history as the person-who-knew-the-least-about-DNP-but-still-did-it thread. Does anyone else remember the old days when we read everything we could and learned everything we could BEFORE we took DNP?
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LOL, you're right. You should see all the DNP threads I've got bookmarked and the docs I've saved on it. I go back and read them DAILY!
 
Dial_tone said:



LOL, you're right. You should see all the DNP threads I've got bookmarked and the docs I've saved on it. I go back and read them DAILY!
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:lmao: me too. I read upwards of 300 pages before I touched DNP. I would have read more... but that was all I could find.

It used to be there was an adage vets used - "If you have to ask a question - you aren't ready."

You didn't touch DNP till you knew everything there was to know about DNP.
 
SofaGeorge said:


It used to be there was an adage vets used - "If you have to ask a question - you aren't ready."
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Good one. I'm going to bring that one back singlehandedly.
 
benadryl wont affect the dnp's efficacy

i dont know why you would want to use ephedra just now since the dnp does the thermogenic thing a whole lot more potently

some say to use clen for the muscle sparing, personally i dont see why not

and i dont think you should up your dose at all. why increase your risk of having severe sides by A LOT just to do it a day quicker? not worth it imo

please keep posting, because you realise that if you stop, im going to think youre dead. sorry for being so morbid :)

cheers
 
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2ncourage said:


Strangely enough when I started this I was bloated. I'm always bloated though. Since doing this I'm retaining less water.
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It's called dehydration. I'm guessing you're not drinking 2+ gallons of water daily.
 
There is commonly some water retention with DNP use, you will loose it once you stop.
ive dropped 10lbs so far after 14 days on this shit (not including the water i will loose after i stop). God it sucks balls to be on it, but once i hit the scale and the mirror, it becomes quite worth it, the only shit thats let me loose this much fat in a long ass time.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
benadryl wont affect the dnp's efficacy

i dont know why you would want to use ephedra just now since the dnp does the thermogenic thing a whole lot more potently

some say to use clen for the muscle sparing, personally i dont see why not

and i dont think you should up your dose at all. why increase your risk of having severe sides by A LOT just to do it a day quicker? not worth it imo

please keep posting, because you realise that if you stop, im going to think youre dead. sorry for being so morbid :)

cheers
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Text book knowledge only takes you so far..and thats your problem. You have next to zero world experience with DNP.

DNP raises levels of peuro-peptide Y in the brain leading to increased hunger.

Using Clen to try to spare muscle would(and has given)people MASSIVE cramps and headaches (It raises BP)....it is too strong a Beta-2 receptor agonist for a DNP cycle. Also, no amount of potassium will off-set the cramps. me and a couple of others can attest to this. Clen is OK if used Post-DNP cycle...but thats about it.

Now, the ECA stack is perfect. As its an unselective Beta adrenoreceptor agonist(Mostly B-2's and B-3's though) it will not give you cramps and headaches, but rather will get rid of the hunger caused by the elevated Neuropeptide Y levels + increase your BMR even further BUT adrenergically, not through DNP's means of action(ATP blocking), and also give you ENERGY through its adrenaline boost to get through the day. Remember that DNP depletes fast-twitch muscle fibers primarily...so activities such as walking, and just standing around feel like moving a 200lb load around all day. ECA helps immensely with this.

Also, DNP + ECA is synergistic in both hunger control and fat loss.
You forget that DNP burns fat(FFA's in the blood-stream), but it doesn't release the triglycerides from the fat cells. Epehdrine does this. It activates the Beta receptors on the outside of the cellular membrane of white adipose tissue high in B2 receptors, to release its stored intra-cellular fat, which then reaches the bloodstream, where it is burned for fuel by the DNP.

Fonz
 
wrong......DNP stops ATP production in glycolisis and cribs cycle. so it sorces the body to use faty acid as primary source of energy to enter cribs cycle. this follows same principle of atkins diet. Using eca stack with DNP is not good idea because that will lead serious deprivation to your body. both DNP increase body heat adding eca to the stack will increase the heat of the body tremendously, and thats its a big problem for the body enzymes, because they require certain body temperature to funtion. increasing body heat will lead to flue like symptoms. better option is to use l-carnantine. acetyl L-Carnitine (ALC) is the acetyl ester of carnitine, which transports fats into the mitochondria. In the mitochondria these fats are converted to an energy source. ALC is found in the brain but its levels are dramatically reduced as we age. Recent research has vaulted ALC as one of the premiere anti-aging compounds, especially in relation to brain and nervous system deterioration. ALC not only increases the release and synthesis of acetylcholine it now appears that it has neuroprotective and neuroenhancing properties as well. ALC can prevent dopaminergic neuron death by the neurotoxin MPTP which causes symptoms similar to Parkinson's disease. It has also been established that the density of NMDA receptors declines with age along with a decreased amount of NGF (Nerve Growth Factor). Treatment with ALC restores the NMDA receptor numbers and enhances the effects of NGF.
 
Fonz said:
Text book knowledge only takes you so far..and thats your problem. You have next to zero world experience with DNP.
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here we go again. i would have thought the last thread on DNP would have perhaps compelled you to tone down your attitude, especially given that you announced that you would correct "several mistakes" of mine and somehow never managed to get around to it. :rolleyes:

Fonz said:

Using Clen to try to spare muscle would(and has given)people MASSIVE cramps and headaches (It raises BP)....it is too strong a Beta-2 receptor agonist for a DNP cycle. Also, no amount of potassium will off-set the cramps. me and a couple of others can attest to this. Clen is OK if used Post-DNP cycle...but thats about it.
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please justify your position. of particular interest is this whole "cramps and headaches" due to increased blood pressure statement. i could write volumes right here but ill wait for your response first.

Fonz said:

Now, the ECA stack is perfect. As its an unselective Beta adrenoreceptor agonist(Mostly B-2's and B-3's though) it will not give you cramps and headaches, but rather will get rid of the hunger caused by the elevated Neuropeptide Y levels + increase your BMR even further BUT adrenergically, not through DNP's means of action(ATP blocking), and also give you ENERGY through its adrenaline boost to get through the day. Remember that DNP depletes fast-twitch muscle fibers primarily...so activities such as walking, and just standing around feel like moving a 200lb load around all day. ECA helps immensely with this.
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an interesting commentary. especially given that ephedrine intrinsically increases blood pressure not only through its beta1 adrenoceptor agonism but also through the remainder of its inherent simpathomimmeticism (pertaining to previous point).

also id like to hear why your reccommend the ECA stack rather than ephedrine alone, given that the synergy between aspirin, caffiene and ephedrine is associated with increased thermogenesis, rather than appetite supression (which ephedrine will do alone, thereby removing risk of gastrointestinal problems pertaining to aspirin, and diuresis due to caffiene, which we all realise is important given the propensity of people to dehydrate while using DNP)

im also keen to find out why nonselective adrenoceptor agonism (in teh case of ECA) would reduce a patients risk of cramping and headaches. lets see- beta1 receptors are primarily cardio selective, meaning that the only thing this effect would do is speed up heart rate and increase contractility, thereby leading to an increase in blood pressure (unlike clen...kind of goes against this whole blood pressure headache theory i might add). beta 2- well does the same thing as clen really, so i dont see the difference. if anything clen alone would be more useful since you can control the degree of beta 2 stimulation using the dose of clen, completely unhindered by the remainder of ephedrines effects (particularly beta 1 agonism). as for beta 3 agonism, well the only effect we will see is some additional thermogenesis due to non shivering heat production in brown adipose tissue, which is utterly dwarfed by that produced by DNP in any event.

Fonz said:

Also, DNP + ECA is synergistic in both hunger control and fat loss.
You forget that DNP burns fat(FFA's in the blood-stream), but it doesn't release the triglycerides from the fat cells. Epehdrine does this. It activates the Beta receptors on the outside of the cellular membrane of white adipose tissue high in B2 receptors, to release its stored intra-cellular fat, which then reaches the bloodstream, where it is burned for fuel by the DNP.
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ah, back to the beta2 stimulation. all of a sudden beta2 agonism is a good thing again, despite it was a point against using clen. also despite the fact that dose modulation in the case of clen would be the easiest and most effective way to control this parameter.

not being a bastard once again fonz but if you want to present yourself as an authority on the use of this agent (which you did in the other DNP thread) then you should be able to explain your reccommendations in terms of commonly accepted biological and pharmacological principles, rather than anecdotal evidence. which is so subjective in this case as to not be terribly valid at all.

cheerios
 
x_muscle said:
wrong......DNP stops ATP production in glycolisis and cribs cycle. so it sorces the body to use faty acid as primary source of energy to enter cribs cycle. this follows same principle of atkins diet. Using eca stack with DNP is not good idea because that will lead serious deprivation to your body. both DNP increase body heat adding eca to the stack will increase the heat of the body tremendously, and thats its a big problem for the body enzymes, because they require certain body temperature to funtion. increasing body heat will lead to flue like symptoms. better option is to use l-carnantine. acetyl L-Carnitine (ALC) is the acetyl ester of carnitine, which transports fats into the mitochondria. In the mitochondria these fats are converted to an energy source. ALC is found in the brain but its levels are dramatically reduced as we age. Recent research has vaulted ALC as one of the premiere anti-aging compounds, especially in relation to brain and nervous system deterioration. ALC not only increases the release and synthesis of acetylcholine it now appears that it has neuroprotective and neuroenhancing properties as well. ALC can prevent dopaminergic neuron death by the neurotoxin MPTP which causes symptoms similar to Parkinson's disease. It has also been established that the density of NMDA receptors declines with age along with a decreased amount of NGF (Nerve Growth Factor). Treatment with ALC restores the NMDA receptor numbers and enhances the effects of NGF.
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Before posting something that is not obviously your own work.....its the KREBS CYCLE...not the "cribs cycle"...lol

And if you do a search, the person who has done the most research on NGF(Nerve Growth Factors) is good old me. Why? Because I suffered a compressed nerve, and was forced to research for compounds that increased levels of NGF's in order to speed up recovery.
There are 2: rhNGF-1(Recombinant Nerve Growth factor 1) made by Genetech but discontinued in 2000.
And Acety-l-Carnitine, which when injected in a sterile solution in the 2000mg to 3000mg range, can actually raise your levels of NGF's dramatically. I am living proof that it works, as it cured the nerve damage in my foot. AlCar also has several other zillion benefits, but you can do your own search on medline...I have all the published articles and journals archived in my laptop, and don't care to transfer them over to my desktop.

I would tear your post to pieces, but its Valentine's day today, and I have a lunch date...so I'm in a good mood.

Fonz
 
X-......it stops ATP production in the electron transport chain. Its an uncoupler of oxidative phosphorelation (sp).
Not the Krebs cycle and glycolosis.

Get'em Fonz
 
There's a bike shop somewhere called Kreb's Cycle......forgot where.
 
bigrand said:
X-......it stops ATP production in the electron transport chain. Its an uncoupler of oxidative phosphorelation (sp).
Not the Krebs cycle and glycolosis.

Get'em Fonz
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I'm in too good a mood, the other guy is just a another guy fresh out of University(if that), trying to apply textbook information to real world results.

Let me know when he falls down HARD on his ass. :)

LOL...j/k

Anyways...later.

Fonz
 
Let me settle this once and for all:

Hey, Dumbass, shut up. Fonz knows more than you do!

There. It is settled. PM me if you guys need me to do this again.
 
Fronz i dont have a photoshoped picture and i dont cut and paste from other sources..... i came here like every one else to learn. maybe i dont know shit about steroids, but i sure know my biology.
 
okay fellas I'm not dead. For some reason I couldn't access this thread for a few days.

And for the record I did read everything I could. My questions weren't answered elsewhere.

No I'm not dehydrated I was just terribly bloated.

And for the record knowledge for the sake of knowledge didn't calm my fears, keep me safe and help me use this stuff effectively. The time that Fonz and Satch took to email me to help me so I didn't look like a dummy on this boad did help me. I could read forever, but having cancer, being a woman and so on gave me questions not answered on the old threads. I'm sure some mod could look up my account and track that I read every archive available.

Thanks to those who encourage me.
 
Now as for where things are. I am doing one 200 mg. capsule split up into two doses per day.

I feel great. Still taking all supplements and drinking lots of water. I feel very good. My body fat will be tested tomorrow and I'll let you know where things stand. I'm guessing I've dropped about 5 pounds of fat in he past week.

At this point if I didn't know I was on something I wouln't know I was on something. I haven't lost my respect for DNP I just think that for me personally easing into it was better.

I plan to take 1 capusule a day in divided doses for the next week at least. I'm taking 2 ripped fuel in the middle of the day for a little energy and I always take cytomel, so maybe that's why I feel better. I'm taking one 15 mg winnie every 3 days.

I sleep well, but I do wake up hot; just not soaking the sheets. It's nice to not be freezing all the time. I took 300 mgs on day and really didn't feel all that different.

A guy emailed me and said that he has studied women and DNP for the past several years and that his clients have always had good results using small doses for long periods of time. His suggestion was to take 100 mgs for a month.

I'm just gonna keep on with what I'm doing.
The one thing I would go back and do differently is my working out. I would have gone to the gym and done my workouts carefully. But that's hindsight.
 
x_muscle said:
maybe i dont know shit about steroids, but i sure know my biology.
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Yep...you sure do. CRIBS CYCLE... :)

Sorry, but not even a blind person would make that mistake.

You're going under the "I'm just too dumb for my own good" category.

And photoshopped pics? Me? Now, now....jealousy won't get you anywhere in life. I have like 100 pics up. They are there for all to see.

I suggest you don't go by ____________ convo lounge anymore, because its going to make you regress into a marsupial.

Fonz
 
Fonz said:

Yep...you sure do. CRIBS CYCLE... :)

Sorry, but not even a blind person would make that mistake.

You're going under the "I'm just too dumb for my own good" category.

And photoshopped pics? Me? Now, now....jealousy won't get you anywhere in life. I have like 100 pics up. They are there for all to see.

I suggest you don't go by ____________ convo lounge anymore, because its going to make you regress into a marsupial.
Fonz
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fonz, when i began posting in this forum, i did so tenatively and with utmost respect for everyone in the forum

the longer i converse with you or witness your online conversations with other members on this board, the lower my respect, both as a person and as an authoritarian figure, becomes

i have politely and constructively assessed and argued against your views on DNP in two major threads, and have found your reasoning, knowledge and attitude to be very poor indeed.

i have pointed out MAJOR holes in your "Advice", flaws so profound that if you were to offer such advice and be assessed by a pharmacy or pharmacological committee, even on the most lenient of terms, you would be stripped of any qualifications on the bassis of gross incompetence

i will say this again, and more directly; you do not know nearly enough to presume to advise people about the use of this very volatile problematic drug.

as a matter of fact, i think that the entire basis for your "qualification" to advise people on this drug (in your mind) is that you are very lean, and have used the drug before. thats it.

what will it take for you to realise how much you dont know? must a member of the board die by misadventure based on YOUR (mis)conceptions about what is involved in using this drug?

now any fool can see how patient i have been. as a pharmacist i have looked at your posts and kept in mind that perhaps, just perhaps- you might actually have studies very very hard and have some valid grounding in bodysystems and drug use.

in retrospect, however, after seeing you make bold statements about the drug, and then squirming away from replying to any rebuttal from myself or other members, and (most nausiatingly) witnessing the gross condescention emanationg from your posts, i am forced to conclude that you are one of the most dangerous, incompetent members on this board.

on a more positive note, though, i am a reasonable man. if you want to keep any shred of credibility on this board, in front of mere members or your peer moderators, i ask that you go back and reply to every question posed directly to you, or about your opinions on DNP, and post them up for all to see.

i cant help but think that the reason that other member misnamed the krebs cycle as the cribs cycle was some subliminal manifestation of reading your posts.

cheers, as always, though perhaps more reluctantly than before

GOLDENDELICIOUS aka FATBASTARDITIS

PHARMACIST
 
Fonz said:




Yep...you sure do. CRIBS CYCLE... :)

Sorry, but not even a blind person would make that mistake.

You're going under the "I'm just too dumb for my own good" category.

And photoshopped pics? Me? Now, now....jealousy won't get you anywhere in life. I have like 100 pics up. They are there for all to see.

I suggest you don't go by ____________ convo lounge anymore, because its going to make you regress into a marsupial.

Fonz
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dude im not ashamed that english is my second language, and maybe i cant spell some words. but sure i will be ashamed if i did this :

http://www.s t e r o i d o l o g y.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29527

http://www.sculptedbyiron.com/forum/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=6239
 
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