Lab results in. Should I pull the plug on Tren?

[gymrat surfer]

Hey guys. I've been on 100mgs of parabolan e3d / 400mgs enanthate per week for last 5 weeks. I have made some great gains and loving the vascular veins popping out and my new freakish look.

However...

Got my lab results in and here are the following red flags..

AST 77
ALT 107

HDL 17
LDL 124

Based on these numbers, could I safely complete 2 more weeks of this cycle or should I pull the plug and go to PCT immediately? Unfortunately, before i started this cycle, my ALT was around 71 to begin with but that is my base line as I haven't done a cycle in years except for my HRT which is 200mgs enanthate per week...

Any advice appreciated.. I HATE MY LIVER!

 

[Nelson Montana]

The short answer is "yes." Have you been using N2GUARD?

 

[gymrat surfer]

No I haven't. I have been using liver rescue 4 by health force.

 

[gymrat surfer]

What's the highest number liver enzymes can be raised to before it gets dangerous?

I also do IV glutathione twice a week for liver

 

[stevesmi]

do you drink? do you take any other Rx drugs?

cholesterol levels get fudged during cycle.. hcgenerate actually helps with that

you said your liver was already fudged before you even ran tren. so the lesson here is if you have problems before steroids, then on them the problems will become worse. make sure to go into cycle completely healthy to give yourself the best chance

and also just an FYI i bet if every juicer actually ran bloods then a strong majority would be scared at what they saw. the reality is 95% of juicers DO NOT run bloods so their issues become major and they don't even know it till its too late

 

[muscleaddiction]

Another liver support supplement you can get is Liver 52 or Liver 52 DS (double strength)...you can find good deals on it either on eBay or Amazon...I ordered 10 bottles for $45 shipped, this is a doctor recommended liver detox/support supplement...check it out. I believe this is why the lab wants to redo my blood work as well...elevated numbers being on cycle. I am also ordering N2 Guard as well and using it as my staple multi vitamin from now on, not fucking around anymore as I plan on blasting & cruising from here on out.

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[muscleaddiction]

Hey guys. I've been on 100mgs of parabolan e3d / 400mgs enanthate per week for last 5 weeks. I have made some great gains and loving the vascular veins popping out and my new freakish look.

However...

Got my lab results in and here are the following red flags..

AST 77
ALT 107

HDL 17
LDL 124

Based on these numbers, could I safely complete 2 more weeks of this cycle or should I pull the plug and go to PCT immediately? Unfortunately, before i started this cycle, my ALT was around 71 to begin with but that is my base line as I haven't done a cycle in years except for my HRT which is 200mgs enanthate per week...

Any advice appreciated.. I HATE MY LIVER!

Yeah...Tren is a great drug used wisely...love the transformation it did to my physique as well, but it is a double edged sword...you get the good with the bad. Like I said above Liver 52 seems to be one of the better liver support supplements, but I also use TUDCA and NAC as well, and with changing back to N2 Guard as my staple multi as I cruise...I will like to see how my bloods come back on cycle and blasts with this supplement regimen.



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[gymrat surfer]

do you drink? do you take any other Rx drugs?

I do drink on a rare occasion. Maybe average 2 glasses of wine a week on a cycle.

I do take RX drugs. I am prescibed Aderall 15XR (take 1 a day). I also take seroquil at night 25mgs and because of the restlessness on tren I've been taking a half an ambien to help me sleep.

I also been on HRT for 3 years and never been fully off since 2010.

I had an ultrasound done which showed a very mild fatty liver.


Good point to make how most juicers don't run blood panels. for those that don't and abuse tren, what do you think there ALT would be at? especially for the hard party juicers who are drinking too?

 

[muscleaddiction]

I do drink on a rare occasion. Maybe average 2 glasses of wine a week on a cycle.

I do take RX drugs. I am prescibed Aderall 15XR (take 1 a day). I also take seroquil at night 25mgs and because of the restlessness on tren I've been taking a half an ambien to help me sleep.

I also been on HRT for 3 years and never been fully off since 2010.

I had an ultrasound done which showed a very mild fatty liver.


Good point to make how most juicers don't run blood panels. for those that don't and abuse tren, what do you think there ALT would be at? especially for the hard party juicers who are drinking too?

I think the only real way to know is to do blood work while on just TRT and your daily meds and compare those results to blood work being on cycle...just going to have to keep testing yourself to see instead of guessing and assuming.


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[stevesmi]

I do drink on a rare occasion. Maybe average 2 glasses of wine a week on a cycle.

I do take RX drugs. I am prescibed Aderall 15XR (take 1 a day). I also take seroquil at night 25mgs and because of the restlessness on tren I've been taking a half an ambien to help me sleep.

I also been on HRT for 3 years and never been fully off since 2010.

I had an ultrasound done which showed a very mild fatty liver.


Good point to make how most juicers don't run blood panels. for those that don't and abuse tren, what do you think there ALT would be at? especially for the hard party juicers who are drinking too?

well now you know why you are strained.

i run tren quite a bit and have zero of these issues. then again I do not drink and I don't take any drugs whatsoever. for your health either cut out the crap or stay away from AAS. you are just digging yourself a grave

 

[gymrat surfer]

I got tested while on HRT tons of times so I can be in the clear for a cycle. My alt is always at 70

 

[muscleaddiction]

Hey guys. I've been on 100mgs of parabolan e3d / 400mgs enanthate per week for last 5 weeks. I have made some great gains and loving the vascular veins popping out and my new freakish look.

However...

Got my lab results in and here are the following red flags..

AST 77
ALT 107

HDL 17
LDL 124

Based on these numbers, could I safely complete 2 more weeks of this cycle or should I pull the plug and go to PCT immediately? Unfortunately, before i started this cycle, my ALT was around 71 to begin with but that is my base line as I haven't done a cycle in years except for my HRT which is 200mgs enanthate per week...

Any advice appreciated.. I HATE MY LIVER!

PCT??? Thought you were on HRT??? Like Steve said it is best to stay away from alcohol on cycle period, also Adderall and other prescribed medications are going to just add to the stress put on your liver while on cycle. I would drop the Tren, take care of your liver, and reassess your situation.

 

[stevesmi]

I got tested while on HRT tons of times so I can be in the clear for a cycle. My alt is always at 70

yeah bro trust me i read bloods more than maybe anyone on here from hundreds of guys. i can tell just by looking at a blood test when something is wrong.

in your case even without the AAS you've got problems just from the alcohol and RX drugs you are taking. add in the AAS and that makes matters worse. in actuality its the non AAS stuff that is killing you, but the AAS is just icing on the cake. wine as much as the industry wants you to believe is great for you, its still alcohol no matter how you want to slice it. and yes lots of people die from liver failure from alcohol consumption as much as the industry wants you to think the liver is strong, i know tons of people who have died from liver disease. heck a friend of mine left behind a 1 year old baby when he mixed blood pressure meds with a night of drinking. he didn't wake up and his fiance was sleeping next to him and when she woke up he was dead. thats not something you want to happen to yourself

its great you care enough to get bloods but its also great also to listen to the black and white blood results and not ignore them. knock on wood my bloods clock in healthy, even my RBC's are in line even on EQ and hex. i credit that to my diet, low AAS doses, my lack of ever taking drugs or alcohol and of course the support supps and general well being of my body.. but if i started to notice problems you better believe i would back off like nelson said earlier in the thread.

 

[SinisterUproar]

Hey guys. I've been on 100mgs of parabolan e3d / 400mgs enanthate per week for last 5 weeks. I have made some great gains and loving the vascular veins popping out and my new freakish look.

However...

Got my lab results in and here are the following red flags..

AST 77
ALT 107

HDL 17
LDL 124

Based on these numbers, could I safely complete 2 more weeks of this cycle or should I pull the plug and go to PCT immediately? Unfortunately, before i started this cycle, my ALT was around 71 to begin with but that is my base line as I haven't done a cycle in years except for my HRT which is 200mgs enanthate per week...

Any advice appreciated.. I HATE MY LIVER!

My numbers were literally 10x higher than yours when I got tested on a Dbol cycle. Not anything to brag about but what I'm saying is your fine. Your number are barley even elevated. Continue taking a liver supp and eat clean

 

[jeremyng25]

I recommend tudca at 1 gram

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[Nelson Montana]

My numbers were literally 10x higher than yours when I got tested on a Dbol cycle. Not anything to brag about but what I'm saying is your fine. Your number are barley even elevated. Continue taking a liver supp and eat clean

I don't know -- those HDL/LDL levels are not good.

 

[bcock]

do you drink? do you take any other Rx drugs?

cholesterol levels get fudged during cycle.. hcgenerate actually helps with that

you said your liver was already fudged before you even ran tren. so the lesson here is if you have problems before steroids, then on them the problems will become worse. make sure to go into cycle completely healthy to give yourself the best chance

and also just an FYI i bet if every juicer actually ran bloods then a strong majority would be scared at what they saw. the reality is 95% of juicers DO NOT run bloods so their issues become major and they don't even know it till its too late

This. I will admit to never running bloods until recently and I have been using AAS on and off for 15 years. I have always done very mild cycles compared to what guys recommend nowadays. I recently ran a 5 week cycle with Var at 50ED and T Prop 100 EOD. My cholesterol came back HDL 12 and LDL 180. Thankfully, my liver values were ok. I am a healthy person who eats fairly clean, rarely drinks alcohol and does a moderate amount of cardio. I also ran support supplements (Organ Shield and TUDCA). This was an eye opener for me. Everyone had always preached how Var is mild, etc, etc. Bullshit! It is a 17AA drug just like DBol, Drol and Winny and will wreck your lipids just like the others. I recommend everyone to do bloodwork before and after cycle.

 

[ozcroboy]

ive run low doses of test or prohormones or short cycles without blood work but always get blood works pre tren cycle. but again. also i over kill with sups while on. need2guard, hcgen, forged bromo, caber, phytoserm 347, forma stan, post cycle and unleased all are part of my cycle while on. i mite make nelson of ntbm.com rich while on but i aint takin any chances with my health. bar the juice of course

 

[gymrat surfer]

good feedback. I wish I didn't need my aderall but I suffer from major ADD and can't function without it. I do take a very low dose at 15mgs though daily. Also, i barely drink so I don't think that should be a problem.

 

[gymrat surfer]

So as far as an update. I took the advice and pulled the plug and been off for 3 weeks now. I have to be honest. I am very impressed how I kept all my gains and still have vascularity. Why is that?! My tren cycle was only 4 weeks. Now I am thinking if I should never do long cycles ever again. Could short cycles be better? I mean,I didn't gain nowhere near what I would of gained on an 8 weeker but to keep all my gains and have a smooth come off, might be worth it.... what do you think?

 

[louisiana]

So as far as an update. I took the advice and pulled the plug and been off for 3 weeks now. I have to be honest. I am very impressed how I kept all my gains and still have vascularity. Why is that?! My tren cycle was only 4 weeks. Now I am thinking if I should never do long cycles ever again. Could short cycles be better? I mean,I didn't gain nowhere near what I would of gained on an 8 weeker but to keep all my gains and have a smooth come off, might be worth it.... what do you think?

I'm thinking the same as you. I'm never going to cycle anything over 6 weeks again. Fast ester like test prop,tren ace and masterone prop are all fast acting. I'll throw in winny every now and than. Want take long to recover.