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Kobe vs Shaq...

sawastea

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The transcript of Kobe Bryant's interview with ESPN's Jim Gray:

GRAY: What was your reaction to Shaq saying the Lakers are his team, and everybody knows it?

BRYANT: It doesn't matter whose team it is. Nobody cares. I don't, Karl [Malone] doesn't, Gary [Payton] doesn't, and our teammates and the fans don't either. There's more to life than whose team this is. But this is his team, so it's time for him to act like it. That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. Also, "my team" doesn't mean only when we win, it means carrying the burden of defeat just as gracefully as you carry a championship trophy.

GRAY: Do you consider Shaq to be a leader?

BRYANT: Leaders don't beg for a contract extension and negotiate some 30 million [dollars] plus per year deal in the media when we have two future Hall of Famers playing here pretty much for free. A leader would not demand the ball every time down the floor when you have the three of us [Malone, Payton, Bryant] playing beside you, not to mention the teammates you have gone to war with for years -- and, by the way, then threaten not to play defense and rebound if you don't get the ball every time down the floor.

GRAY: Shaq says that you have not been a team player. Is he right?

BRYANT: That's ridiculous. I have been successfully sacrificing my game for years for Shaq. That's what Phil [Jackson] wanted me to do, so I did it. Last year Phil told me Shaq was not in physical condition to carry the trust of our offense, so he asked me to do it. But then he saw Shaq was getting upset that the team wasn't running through him, so Phil asked me to pull back and I did. This year is no different; my role is whatever Phil want it to be. Period.

GRAY: Through out the preseason, your leg and conditioning has been lagging. Are you in the proper shape to start the season?

BRYANT: My knee is not strong enough to play yet. I know it. When it is I will play.

GRAY: Does that mean you will miss the opener [Tuesday] night and other games?

BRYANT: I probably won't play tomorrow night or until I'm ready. But I don't need Shaq's advice on how to play hurt. I've played with IVs before, during and after games. I've played with a broken hand, a sprained ankle, a torn shoulder, a fractured tooth, a severed lip, and a knee the size of a softball. I don't miss 15 games because of a toe injury that everybody knows wasn't that serious in the first place.

GRAY: Kobe, Shaq said if you didn't like what he had to say you can opt out and leave next season. Will you leave the Lakers?

BRYANT: I won't make that decision until the end of the season. I told Shaq last year that I was planning on opting out. He knew before anyone. I told him out of respect for what we have been through together. I thought he should be the first to know. The fact that he acts like this is such a big shock is a mystery to me. If leaving the Lakers at the end of the season is what I decide, a major reason for that will be Shaq's childlike selfishness and jealousy.

GRAY: Do you feel Shaq has been supportive in regards to your legal situation?

BRYANT: He is not my quote unquote "big brother." A big brother would have called to lend his support this summer. I heard absolutely nothing from him. I spoke to Devon [George], Rick [Fox], Mitch [Kupchak], Phil, and our owner Jerry Buss. And Shaq's own Uncle Jerome called and left three messages. Other teammates like Derek [Fisher], Mark [Madsen], and [Stanislav Medvedenko] left messages as well. Opponents called like [Chris] Webber, [Mike] Bibby, and many others. So did a lot of coaches. Michael Jordan, who didn't have my home phone, tracked it down to lend his support. So did Tiger Woods. But yet from my so-called big brother, I heard nothing.

GRAY: Why not resolve this behind closed doors? Why is this so public?

BRYANT: I asked Phil on Sunday [yesterday] to say something to calm this situation down before it boiled over. But he backed away, so now here we are. I have been a bigger person every time something happened with Shaq, and I don't expect this to be any different. But somebody in this organization had to speak up, because his unprofessionalism hurt us last year, and I don't want it to hurt us this year.
 
PoyeBoy said:
fat and overweight, kinda like 75% of ef
Yeah, I noticed that when I was cutting, I thought everyone else in the world was fat too. Shaq and Kobe are too funny, it seems like two grown men could be a little more mature.
 
I think they should have a bitch slap fight. They are almost there. Shaq would win, since he is fatter and dumber. But then Kobe would just rape him, so it would all equal out in the end.
 
Monkey Pox said:
I think they should have a bitch slap fight. They are almost there. Shaq would win, since he is fatter and dumber. But then Kobe would just rape him, so it would all equal out in the end.

:rolleyes:
 
The Nature Boy said:
if they got in a fist fight I predict that the black guy would win.


cute
 
They're both selfish ballhogs. But yeah it's funny how Shak misses all those games with a toe injury of all things.

They are better off with one of them gone (most likely Kobe), especially now that they have Malone and Payton. Their ball possession time is only going to be less with those two on the team.
 
Well you have to admit, without Shak the Lakers were nothing special. Just an average team. Shak is truly the most dominating player in the NBA.
 
What did Shaq accomplish in Orlando? no, seriously.
 
Hey Mister said:
Well you have to admit, without Shak the Lakers were nothing special. Just an average team. Shak is truly the most dominating player in the NBA.

He's still a) a prick b) alientating arguably the best player, undoubtedly the second best player on the team c) a pussy when it comes to injuries and d) ever heard of two people called Gary Payton and Karl Malone?
 
Lumberg said:


He's still a) a prick b) alientating arguably the best player, undoubtedly the second best player on the team c) a pussy when it comes to injuries and d) ever heard of two people called Gary Payton and Karl Malone?

a) Of course he's a prick, but pretty much everyone in the NBA is a prick. Kobe cheats on his wife, so what does that make him? Who gives a fuck if he is a prick or not, he's one funny mofo.

b) Alienating? They are BOTH ball hogs! He hasn't alienated anyone.

c) I agree with him being a pussy about injuries, which is why I made the big toe comment.

d) Yeah I've heard of Payton and Malone, what's your point? When I was referring to the Lakers without Shak, notice I used the past tense word of "WERE". I'm not talking about the Lakers now. Obviously they would be a dominating team now without Shak, but not back then they weren't.

How can one possibly compare Shak in Orlando to Shak with the Lakers?? You realize with Orlando he JUST came into the league, so he was young, inexperienced, and still developing his game. Are you to tell me Shak is not the most dominant player in the league??
 
Dial_tone said:
What did Shaq accomplish in Orlando? no, seriously.

NBA Finals in his second year, with an expansion team. If Nick Anderson makes a free throw, the Magic wins game 1 and it chnages the dynamics of the series.

Not bad. But even more impressive was...

Making people think Penny Hardaway was a superstar...seriously.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:

Not bad. But even more impressive was...

Making people think Penny Hardaway was a superstar...seriously.

b-b-b-butt..........he's got his own doll, he must be a star!?!
 
Why can't these guys just shut the fuck up and play ball?

They are making millions. . while lots of use are in the real world making under $30,000 annually.

They should be happy for what they have. . .
 
louden_swain said:
Why can't these guys just shut the fuck up and play ball?

They are making millions. . while lots of use are in the real world making under $30,000 annually.


Two werds brother: second job.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:


NBA Finals in his second year, with an expansion team. If Nick Anderson makes a free throw, the Magic wins game 1 and it chnages the dynamics of the series.

Not bad. But even more impressive was...

Making people think Penny Hardaway was a superstar...seriously.

Shaq did not go to the finals his second year. Penny was the one drafted in 93, smart one. Penny went to the finals in his 2nd year. In penny's first season, they went to the playoffs for the first time. Without penny, the magic weren't shit.

The magic had no chance against the rockets. Shaq was nothing and is nothing compared to Hakeem at his prime.

If shaq's so dominating...

Magic:
Shaq (with no penny): Couldn't even make the playoffs

Lakers:
Shaq (when kobe was still going through puberty): no championships
Suddenly kobe gets good, they win a few rings.

Penny >>>>>>> Kobe >>>>>>> Shaq
 
AgainstAllOdds said:


Shaq did not go to the finals his second year. Penny was the one drafted in 93, smart one. Penny went to the finals in his 2nd year. In penny's first season, they went to the playoffs for the first time. Without penny, the magic weren't shit.

The magic had no chance against the rockets. Shaq was nothing and is nothing compared to Hakeem at his prime.

If shaq's so dominating...

Magic:
Shaq (with no penny): Couldn't even make the playoffs
Lakers:
Shaq (when kobe was still going through puberty): no championships
Suddenly kobe gets good, they win a few rings.

Penny >>>>>>> Kobe >>>>>>> Shaq

Wow. I wish I had time to sit on my ass and know this shit like you do. That info and $1.19 will get you coffee and a paper.

Smart One.
 
Who that's pretty harsh there Matt. Some people are really interested in this stuff. I bet you knwo lot of shit that a lot of peopel consider useless.

And besides, that information could get you a job as a sports reporter or announcer.

You're smarter than that.
 
All you have to say to resolve this little ditty is Lakers miss the playoffs in 2005, Heat make the conference finals.
 
bluepeter said:
All you have to say to resolve this little ditty is Lakers miss the playoffs in 2005, Heat make the conference finals.

Everyone knows they would have won if Wade were no so banged up.


Seems that Piston ooponents get banged up.
 
Testosterone boy said:
Everyone knows they would have won if Wade were no so banged up.


Seems that Piston ooponents get banged up.

Without a doubt. If Shaq and Wade were healthy, Heat win for sure.

Now the flip side is, if Kobe were traded to the Heat rather than Shaq, do the Heat win 60 and make the conference finals? Answer: No fuggin way.

Kobe = overrated
 
If I had to choose a player to start a team with right now... it would be Shack.

After that...
2. Duncan
3. Garnett
 
omggggg how do i unsubscribe to this thread so i stop getting Elite Fitness reply to the thread kobe vs shaq????
 
slat1 said:
If I had to choose a player to start a team with right now... it would be Shack.

After that...
2. Duncan
3. Garnett

If I wanted a championship next year.


I'd get younger dudes for the long haul though. Shaq and Duncan will be less efffective any time now.
 
AgainstAllOdds said:
Shaq did not go to the finals his second year. Penny was the one drafted in 93, smart one. Penny went to the finals in his 2nd year. In penny's first season, they went to the playoffs for the first time. Without penny, the magic weren't shit.

The magic had no chance against the rockets. Shaq was nothing and is nothing compared to Hakeem at his prime.

If shaq's so dominating...

Magic:
Shaq (with no penny): Couldn't even make the playoffs

Lakers:
Shaq (when kobe was still going through puberty): no championships
Suddenly kobe gets good, they win a few rings.

Penny >>>>>>> Kobe >>>>>>> Shaq


not often that MTS gets owned, impressive
 
KG is one of the more overrated players in the game IMO. He has one good year where his team is successful, largely because of the great play by the other players, and he wins MVP. Sure he puts up good numbers, but not great numbers. They are just good. He doesn't come through down the stretch. He doesn't dominate games. I mean the guy is passionate and wants to win, but no way in hell is he as good as advertised. He didn't even make the damn playoffs. Give me a break.
 
bluepeter said:
Without a doubt. If Shaq and Wade were healthy, Heat win for sure.

Now the flip side is, if Kobe were traded to the Heat rather than Shaq, do the Heat win 60 and make the conference finals? Answer: No fuggin way.

Kobe = overrated


3 shots in the second half in a game 7. His team lost by 30+ in a game 7
yes I would say he is overrated
 
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