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Did anybody else see the latest Kobe Bryant sprite commercial? Show's him squatting with chains WSB style. I was a bit skeptical to see him doin that. Now had they had big billy kazmeier or somebody awesome squattin that way and sellin sprite I'd go buy 4 jugs right now...but kobe??? nah
 
I JUST saw it as my post was posting. He's one parallel box away from being a "Lou" worshiper! :lmao: J/K

It does wonders for speed, no doubt!
 
i just made a comment about that commercial in the "strength/nosize" thread.

at least the "brothas" don't look at me like i've lost my mind when they see me grabbing the chains anymore.

no they ask how to use them...and that's kwell.
 
Honestly, chains and bands aren't unique to WSB...and if it were WSB he'd be squatting on a box.

It IS cool to see that on a commercial though.
 
from what i saw, he was just holding the weight. maybe i missed something, but a walkout with 315 for a camera shot is more likely.
 
spatts said:
I JUST saw it as my post was posting. He's one parallel box away from being a "Lou" worshiper! :lmao: J/K

It does wonders for speed, no doubt!
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what does wonders for speed? or was that an extended joke?
 
I saw the commercial and noticed the chains as well.

I have a question though:
The only thing I know about WSB training is from reading some of the threads around here. I've seen the people that use bands and I figured they used them because it gave progressive Resistance.

What's the deal with the chains? How do they work? What's the benefit of them?
 
Same thing....accomodated resistance. As you descend in a squat the chains are touching the floor, as you get lower, there's more and more chain on the floor that you don't have to support. The weight gets HEAVIER as you stand up...just like the tension increases as you stand up with the bands. So you have to work to push throught the lock out portion of the lift. Same for benching with chains; you have to work to lock it out.
 
He was only quarter squatting the thing :rolleyes:

hell I've seen chicken leg fools quarter squat 405lbs for sets at my gym - who says ecto BBall teen gym weenies are weak? :spit:
 
CoolColJ said:
He was only quarter squatting the thing :rolleyes:

hell I've seen chicken leg fools quarter squat 405lbs for sets at my gym - who says ecto BBall teen gym weenies are weak? :spit:
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looked to me like he was goin just about to paralel. not atc but def not quarter squat. smells like envy to me, although i could be wrong; only saw the commercial once
 
i see a lot of the BBaller's (big ballers) doing 1/3 and 1/4 squats:confused:

the coaches tell me they should just use the same ROM they use for they're jumpshots and doing deepsquats doesn't carry over to well.:( since you never go down that deep onthe court.

who am i to argue?
 
collegiateLifter said:


looked to me like he was goin just about to paralel. not atc but def not quarter squat. smells like envy to me, although i could be wrong; only saw the commercial once
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I've seen the commercial. CoolColJ is correct.

To throw the accusation of envy is not good, as one could toss ego (due to threatened identification) right back, although I hope it's not the case.

Either way, CoolColJ is correct.
 
jeesuz.....why don't you guys write the fucker and ask him what his squatting routine is instead of making stupid assumptions based on a .25 second shot in a commercial.....fact is he has more athletic ability than most people on this board.....
 
jerkbox said:
.....fact is he has more athletic ability than most people on this board.....
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he has highly specialized athletic ability. he is good at what he does, thats all. it doesnt make him a better athlete, just a really good athlete. there are plenty of good athletes on this board, good at things he cant do, you cant do or most of this board cant do.....kobe just has his skills on display.

the sad part is that he makes a tremendous amount of money doing this and there are more grueling sports where compensation is meager at best. those athletes are doing it truly for the love of the sport.
 
bignate73 said:


he has highly specialized athletic ability. he is good at what he does, thats all. it doesnt make him a better athlete, just a really good athlete. there are plenty of good athletes on this board,
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KOBE was the youngest player to be drafted and play in a NBA game at 18yrs. he's a 7 year veteran at the age of 25. he & Shaq are the Lakers. to say he's just good at what he does means you don't know BBall

i'm not about to include myself to that caliber of athlete, just like i wouldn't compare myself to elite athletes like......

BRETT FAVRE, is nothing special he's just good at what he does......

EMMITT SMITH is just good at what he does......

PAYON MANNING
MARK MCGUIRE
BARRY BONDS
SAMUEL MAGNUSSEN(?)
RONI COLEMAN
 
This is absolute craziness!!!!

There is a two second video clip, and people are debating how much weight is used and whether or not Kobi squats to parallel.


FOLKS!!!! ITS A COMERCIAL MOVE ON!!!
 
The thing I don't like is that he was drinking Sprite while lifting weights. ;)

That weight he was squatting was pretty good, but we don't get to see enough to know if he goes parallel. Oh well. :bawling:
 
bignate73 said:


thank you.
:)
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DR.SLOE FRO:fro: ~ "thank ya for what?......not givin' a brutha credit when mad props is due..........Kobe gotta sweet STROKE mutha fvcka.....you just jealous.....you just wish you was a BIG BALLER....rollin' on dem custom 22" rims......drinking crystale.....pimpin' fine ass hoes.....BLING BLING ....you just a white man that wants to live in a black man's wurld."
 
R CRUSHER said:


DR.SLOE FRO:fro: ~ "thank ya for what?......not givin' a brutha credit when mad props is due..........Kobe gotta sweet STROKE mutha fvcka.....you just jealous.....you just wish you was a BIG BALLER....rollin' on dem custom 22" rims......drinking crystale.....pimpin' fine ass hoes.....BLING BLING ....you just a white man that wants to live in a black man's wurld."
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<yawn>:rolleyes:
 
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bignate73 said:


he has highly specialized athletic ability. he is good at what he does, thats all. it doesnt make him a better athlete, just a really good athlete. there are plenty of good athletes on this board, good at things he cant do, you cant do or most of this board cant do.....kobe just has his skills on display.

the sad part is that he makes a tremendous amount of money doing this and there are more grueling sports where compensation is meager at best. those athletes are doing it truly for the love of the sport.
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not at all. All elite athletic ability is highly specialized except for the odd out of this world freak of nature.

I don't know if its sad that he makes so much money. people are dumb enough to be influenced by endorsements and they do support the market. Also he is a tremendous athlete plain and simple, as a he is one of the 2 key players on the Lakers and already has won 2 championships and i say this in spite of the fact that i hate the lakers.
 
~ "thank ya for what?......not givin' a brutha credit when mad props is due..........Kobe gotta sweet STROKE mutha fvcka.....you just jealous.....you just wish you was a BIG BALLER....rollin' on dem custom 22" rims......drinking crystale.....pimpin' fine ass hoes.....BLING BLING ....you just a white man that wants to live in a black man's wurld."
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Doubt R Crusher could either...:rolleyes:
 
R CRUSHER said:


DR.SLOE FRO:fro: ~ "thank ya for what?......not givin' a brutha credit when mad props is due..........Kobe gotta sweet STROKE mutha fvcka.....you just jealous.....you just wish you was a BIG BALLER....rollin' on dem custom 22" rims......drinking crystale.....pimpin' fine ass hoes.....BLING BLING ....you just a white man that wants to live in a black man's wurld."
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:confused: Whaaa...???? "Bling Bling"?? I don't understand any of this....
I must be old........
 
SLOE:fro: ~ "BIG PIMPIN'......sendin' gee's.....we be.... BIG PIMPIN' on B..L..A..B's......


now that's what i'm talkin' bout ":p
 
Yeah I saw that commercial tonite they show him with 315 on his back and then they show his face coming up from a squat

I dont think he was really squatting that. B ball players dont want big bulky legs it is just extra weight slowing them down.
 
Dirty Workout said:
Yeah I saw that commercial tonite they show him with 315 on his back and then they show his face coming up from a squat

I dont think he was really squatting that. B ball players dont want big bulky legs it is just extra weight slowing them down.
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yea dude and ben johnson didn't squat at all because he didn't want bulky legs slowing him down on his 9.79!!!
 
little chris said:
Yeah it looked like 405lb to me and There's no way that was real weight. Kobe's sticks could never squat 405LBS!!!:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
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lol
 
R CRUSHER said:
i see a lot of the BBaller's (big ballers) doing 1/3 and 1/4 squats:confused:

the coaches tell me they should just use the same ROM they use for they're jumpshots and doing deepsquats doesn't carry over to well.:( since you never go down that deep onthe court.

who am i to argue?
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You're R Crusher, that's who!

Man, NEVER put your own thinking down simply because someone else is an "expert." Experts make MISTAKES, bro...and I hate to be nasty, but most of the coaches I've met aren't the brightest guys in the world anyway.

Arguments have nothing to do with who is saying them. In philosophy, that's considered a major fallacy. Arguments stand on their own; if someone's really an expert, they can back their shit up with plenty of reasoning. Relying simply on their titles to impress is the sign of a has-been.

Whoever these coaches are, the truth is they're flat-out stupid to say deep squats don't "carry over well" for BB players. That's probably some myth they heard and just believed because they're gullible.

In jumping, by FAR the most important muscle is the strongest one, and that's the gluteus maximus. Concentrating on quads (which are all short ROM squats really do) to try and improve jumping power is like doing close-grips with your thumbs 2" apart to improve your pec size and strength as fast as possible. It's great for the tris, but FAR from what's best for the pecs.
 
guldukat said:



Arguments have nothing to do with who is saying them. In philosophy, that's considered a major fallacy. Arguments stand on their own; if someone's really an expert, they can back their shit up with plenty of reasoning. Relying simply on their titles to impress is the sign of a has-been.

Whoever these coaches are, the truth is they're flat-out stupid to say deep squats don't "carry over well" for BB players. That's probably some myth they heard and just believed because they're gullible.
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whoa there buddy. While your point about the Halo effect is pretty on, there is perhaps some truth in the the idea that full ROM squats aren't neccessary. In Science and Practice, Zatsiorsky recomends a combination of leg work for beggining (strength training) volleyball players including half & full squats and leg presses. For more advanced strength training, he recomends most soley a combo of half squats and full squats. As usual the truth generally lies in between the two extremes. Although the book is back home, I recall that he notes the benefits of full squats and the similar ROM of half squats and jumping.

OF course on another tangent in basketball, low (and wide) squatting is beneficial for boxing out posting up, etc when you do need a low power position.....
 
collegiateLifter said:


yea dude and ben johnson didn't squat at all because he didn't want bulky legs slowing him down on his 9.79!!!
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Assuming you were being sarcastic here, there is big difference between sprinter and basketball player. Sprinter relies solely on acceleration and power for a short distance and needs huge powerful legs for quick speed.

While a basketball player needs this for sprinting on fast breaks or accelerating down lane, he also has important endurance factor to account for- running almost nonstop for 40+ minutes a few times a week. This is where I think huge legs have a negative effect.

And also a negative effect on jumping....I mean look at the highest flyers over the years- never huge legs
 
little chris said:
Yeah it looked like 405lb to me and There's no way that was real weight. Kobe's sticks could never squat 405LBS!!!:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
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pathetic . . . response. Kobe is a superior athlete no need to trash him like this.
 
louden_swain said:


pathetic . . . response. Kobe is a superior athlete no need to trash him like this.
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but there is something to be said about exaggerating for the sake of a commercial. its nice to have respect for him, but a director wont let him look like a chump by squatting 185 or so, since he's talking about how "serious" he is through the whole commercial. they're gonna load him up with "plates".
 
collegiateLifter said:
whoa there buddy. While your point about the Halo effect is pretty on, there is perhaps some truth in the the idea that full ROM squats aren't neccessary.
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Necessary? I don't think I said that. I said it'd be dumb to just exclude full squats, not that they're absolutely necessary.

In Science and Practice, Zatsiorsky recomends a combination of leg work for beggining (strength training) volleyball players including half & full squats and leg presses. For more advanced strength training, he recomends most soley a combo of half squats and full squats. As usual the truth generally lies in between the two extremes. Although the book is back home, I recall that he notes the benefits of full squats and the similar ROM of half squats and jumping.
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I'd take that to mean Zatsiorsky favors full squats for complete development (hips, glutes, lower back, and hamstrings in addition to quads), but half squats are used to nail the quads even harder (by removing the weak links).

But still, he has them doing full squats...not just half squats, which for jumping power, I do think is a little lopsided.

And I do agree that the truth is usually somewhere in the middle :) There's a saying, "en via medias," that's a pretty good rule of thumb.

Just don't tell that to a logic professor if you have one...there's a fallacy of weak induction called "the Golden Mean" they're quick to harp on. I should know, since I'm going to be one of those old guys with a beard and pipe one day ;) LOL.
 
louden_swain said:
First of all I don't consider Kobe a superior athlete I do consider him a great basketball player. Second there is know way in hell kobe can squat 405lbs below par.

pathetic . . . response. Kobe is a superior athlete no need to trash him like this.
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Dirty Workout said:


Assuming you were being sarcastic here, there is big difference between sprinter and basketball player. Sprinter relies solely on acceleration and power for a short distance and needs huge powerful legs for quick speed.

While a basketball player needs this for sprinting on fast breaks or accelerating down lane, he also has important endurance factor to account for- running almost nonstop for 40+ minutes a few times a week. This is where I think huge legs have a negative effect.

And also a negative effect on jumping....I mean look at the highest flyers over the years- never huge legs
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you were correct in assuming sarcasm. However in sprinting, you are accelerating yourself. Bodyweight must be greatly limmitted. Even a few extra pounds can significantly slow down a world class sprinter to lose an event. I was refering to sprinting and jumping and the benefits that strong legs will provide. You don't necessarily get big legs from big squats, if you dont want such to be the case. Most of the leapers have natural jumping ability. However there are some that drove up their verticals through big squats. Even the jump usa, which overemphasizes the value of plyometrics for most (young) bball players website recognized this, and they had a video clip of a 5'10 at the most, guy squatting 500lbs. Science and Practice is also discusses vertical jumping ability in few sections.

I think the correlation does not suggest causation at all in the last line. I think it is analgous to boxing or martial arts. Traditionally, fighters did calisthenics and did not lift. In spite of this there has been some hard hitters. However there is better methodology out there, and modern trainers are starting to recognize this and have fighters lift (like bball players doing squats, with chains of all things.)
 
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