Kids using gear.To all newbies.

[Grave_Digger519]

You should only use steroids if you have a solid foundation in training.That's at least 5-6 years of training under your belt.If you're a teenager with 1-2 years of training you have no business touching the gear.I looked at some of the pics here and some of the people there have no business doing roids yet.Every bodytype is different but here's what you should be able to achieve naturally:
Squat - 315 X 6.deep squats to the floor.
Bench - 315 X 6 or dumbell presses with 110's
Deadlift - 405 X 4
shoulder presses - 80 X 7
chins - 15 with your bodyweight
dumbell rows - 120 X 6/strict form
curls - 115 x 6 with olympic bar.Now I know that some of you wil smear at that saying "but I do 135 for 9".Right.While keeping your back intact? Don't swing even one inch? If you do that in a strict form you're one strong motherfucker with bi's from hell.

I achieved all of that and a bit more without gear.The reason why I am considering gear is to get ripped while using the same/more poundage.now, that's impossible to do at 8%bf naturally.

 

[The Terminator]

Where the hell did you come up with this shit at? Hell I bet 90% of the guys in my gym can't even do half of those things. If I were to wait until I could achieve all those naturally I would have never got jacked. Alot of guys will never get real big naturally even after many years of big eating and training.

 

[Beezers]

You're poundage undicators are simply idiotic my friend. Though none of those pundages are high by any means and quite attainable within a good couple years fo training pounds lifted mean nothing in bodybuilding. How much you can lift should be no indicationof when you're ready to juice. It's naive to think thiere is some uniform requirement for all who wish to use AS. You do have a valid point in that you need a good foundation of years of hard work and experimentation in the gym and with your diet, there are still far too many factores playing into this decision for most beyond how much they can lift. Again, weight lifted means nothing in the game of bodybuilding so generalization like this is nonproductive. It comes down to being in tuned enough with your body through diet, training, and recovery all of shich take many yearst ot figure out individually. It's not when you can squat 315. It's when you know your maintnance calories. It's not when you can dead 405. It's when you know when you're over working your Bi's. It's not curling 115 with the Olympic bar. It's having the presence of mind to avoid barbell curls if you don't get the right feel from them. Learning to manipulate your body take years and that's what to be patient for.

 

[gorilla_boy]

Where the hell did you come up with this shit and what makes you such an expert?

I think you are just bragging. Jpegs please.

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

Maybe some of those weights can be achieved naturally, but ppl that post these wait,wait,wait threads please realized that certain people have different reasons for getting on.

I know it's well meant, but 1) people who are old enough can make their own decision, and 2) teenagers are not going to listen anyway.

I can't pull those weights yet, but I am old enough that maybe I don't want to wait 5-6 years to get anywhere.

Steroids will 1) break through your natural potential or 2) get you to your natural potential faster.

peace

 

[XBiker]

I think your estimates of what weight should be done is a load of crap.

Did you consider genetics, body type, and metabolisms when you wrote this?

You're a moron.

 

[1911]

Originally posted by Grave_Digger519

You should only use steroids if you have a solid foundation in training.

Agreed.

That's at least 5-6 years of training under your belt.

The thought is good and I personally had 5+ of training "under my belt" before my first but...you don't get to establish the timeline for others.

If you're a teenager with >>>opinion deleted by 1911<<< of training you have no business touching the gear.

I agree, teens should not juice but [our] opinions are irrelevant. To each his own.

I looked at some of the pics here and some of the people there have no business doing roids yet.

Pics / appearance are not a determining factor as to whether a person is "ready to ride."

Every bodytype is different but here's what you should be able to achieve naturally:
Squat - 315 X 6.deep squats to the floor.
Bench - 315 X 6 or dumbell presses with 110's
Deadlift - 405 X 4
shoulder presses - 80 X 7
chins - 15 with your bodyweight
dumbell rows - 120 X 6/strict form
curls - 115 x 6 with olympic bar.

This criteria is laughable.

I achieved all of that and a bit more without gear.

Congratulations.

The reason why I am considering gear is to get ripped while using the same/more poundage.now, that's impossible to do at 8%bf naturally.

Good luck with your decision to use.

Later,

 

[cure]

This is BS my man. I know guys who don't juice, have awesome physiques and don't put up those numbers and have been working out for a long time. They have that foundation and need the gear to actually help them achieve those numbers.

 

[manny78]

Could you tell us how did you come up with those numbers ? Is there a scientific explanation ? Usually you shouldn't juice before 18 (better after 21), but the reason why you juice is different for everyone. What if someone wants some strenght but not necessarly huge mass ? Like a sprinter lets say ? Does he really need to bench all that shit ?.......

 

[Beezers]

I would like to add one more point with concern to teens not using AS. Though I certainly don't advocate them using you have to take certain criteria into account before making blanket recomendations. Imagine you're an 18 year old being scouted by a dozen major D1 schools. This is your future and a lot is riding on the line hear. You're a freshmen playing at a major D1 school. Again, a make it or break it situation. Age has little to do with it in many circumstances. Knoweldge is the key and many young people train much harder than "mature adults". The fact is there is no set of standards or rules for when to use AS. This post is narrow minded and misleading. That's dangerous, not the actual act of using AS with knowledge even before you may have naturally peaked..

 

[StillGreg]

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While I tend to agree that Grave Digger's poundage criteria are quite arbitrary, I strongly agree with his notion that you need a solid base before turning to AS. Come on folks...you've got so much natural gas flowing right now at 18-22 years old...use it. Diet, training, sleep...oh yeah and an assload of hard work. I swear that is all you need to attain Grave Digger's "standards" and then some and I don't care what your "genetics" are. Build a base that will make a freight train take a hard left down a dirt road, THEN gas it up...you'll LOVE and KEEP the results for the long term. Anyway, to each his own. That's just my opinion.

 

[Your_Moms_Kneepads]

I agree in concept but not with the specific poundages.Maybe on the squat and deadlift but not on the bench press pe se.
The reason that I agree is that I see kids who want to get big now and not learn how to do it RIGHT. THey have no heart at all and dont truly love what they are doing.

 

[Big Buck]

Those are warm-up poundages right....

 

[Alexis]

Where did you get those quite arbitrary poundages?

Could you do those things?

Roids are just a help going beyond the body´s natural frontiers, and why you juice is different for everyone.

So lets juice!!!

 

[Mr.G-ville]

I do agree with one person here Big Buck, about the pounages here . I don't really see lumping everybody in one group, everybody should bench this much or squat that much before they take drugs you have to consider genetics and work ethic of some people. but if can't squat 315 x6 or bench 315x 6 face it your pretty weak and this is with or without drugs.

 

[Your_Moms_Kneepads]

I do agree with one person here Big Buck, about the pounages here . I don't really see lumping everybody in one group, everybody should bench this much or squat that much before they take drugs you have to consider genetics and work ethic of some people. but if can't squat 315 x6 or bench 315x 6 face it your pretty weak and this is with or without drugs.

I agree with the squat part (unless knees are shot or whatever).Its fucked up seeing someone give up being natural without even being able to deadlift 365 for reps or squat 315 for their sets. It kills me to see 19 yr olds whining that their "genetic potential" has been reached. They need to train LESS and do it HARDER. Also doing heavy squats,deads,and rows will help them get there.
They just lack any sense of dedication whatsoever.

 

[3Vandoo]

3 plates on the bench huh

does 5lbs plates count!!!!!!!!

 

[genarr3]

I agree with the squat part (unless knees are shot or whatever).Its fucked up seeing someone give up being natural without even being able to deadlift 365 for reps or squat 315 for their sets. It kills me to see 19 yr olds whining that their "genetic potential" has been reached. They need to train LESS and do it HARDER. Also doing heavy squats,deads,and rows will help them get there.
They just lack any sense of dedication whatsoever.

Saved me some writing. I also think the bench numbers are too high. For someone in the lighter weight classes, those could be considered big lifts.

 

[jstrong20]

Squat - 315 X 6.deep squats to the floor.
Bench - 315 X 6 or dumbell presses with 110's
Deadlift - 405 X 4
shoulder presses - 80 X 7
chins - 15 with your bodyweight
dumbell rows - 120 X 6/strict form
curls - 115 x 6

Am I the only one that noticed these stats aren't proportioned. By the time you can bench 315 for 6 reps you should at least be able to squat 400lbs. for reps and deadlift well over 500lbs.

 

[genarr3]

Squat - 315 X 6.deep squats to the floor.
Bench - 315 X 6 or dumbell presses with 110's
Deadlift - 405 X 4
shoulder presses - 80 X 7
chins - 15 with your bodyweight
dumbell rows - 120 X 6/strict form
curls - 115 x 6

Am I the only one that noticed these stats aren't proportioned. By the time you can bench 315 for 6 reps you should at least be able to squat 400lbs. for reps and deadlift well over 500lbs.

The numbers are stupid. Squat and bench the same amount? If someone were training correctly, their legs would be much stronger.

 

[joeyz123]

You should only use steroids if you have a solid foundation in training.That's at least 5-6 years of training under your belt.If you're a teenager with 1-2 years of training you have no business touching the gear.I looked at some of the pics here and some of the people there have no business doing roids yet.Every bodytype is different but here's what you should be able to achieve naturally:
Squat - 315 X 6.deep squats to the floor.
Bench - 315 X 6 or dumbell presses with 110's
Deadlift - 405 X 4
shoulder presses - 80 X 7
chins - 15 with your bodyweight
dumbell rows - 120 X 6/strict form
curls - 115 x 6 with olympic bar.Now I know that some of you wil smear at that saying "but I do 135 for 9".Right.While keeping your back intact? Don't swing even one inch? If you do that in a strict form you're one strong motherfucker with bi's from hell.

I achieved all of that and a bit more without gear.The reason why I am considering gear is to get ripped while using the same/more poundage.now, that's impossible to do at 8%bf naturally.

Actually, I did get a bottle of deca the other day that said that on the label (Warning: Do not use if you are unable to bench 315 for 6 reps/Do 15 chin-ups/ ect) Ohhhhhh shit I can only do 14 chins, I guess Ive wasted all this time and juice, LOLOLOLOL. Where the hell did you come up with all those bullshit criteria?? I have friends that have been competing and lifting for only around 4 years, should they just all of the sudden quit? Who are you, the fucking lifting police......please.

 

[Golfer18--old]

You should only use steroids if you have a solid foundation in training.That's at least 5-6 years of training under your belt.If you're a teenager with 1-2 years of training you have no business touching the gear.I looked at some of the pics here and some of the people there have no business doing roids yet.Every bodytype is different but here's what you should be able to achieve naturally:
Squat - 315 X 6.deep squats to the floor.
Bench - 315 X 6 or dumbell presses with 110's
Deadlift - 405 X 4
shoulder presses - 80 X 7
chins - 15 with your bodyweight
dumbell rows - 120 X 6/strict form
curls - 115 x 6 with olympic bar.Now I know that some of you wil smear at that saying "but I do 135 for 9".Right.While keeping your back intact? Don't swing even one inch? If you do that in a strict form you're one strong motherfucker with bi's from hell.

I achieved all of that and a bit more without gear.The reason why I am considering gear is to get ripped while using the same/more poundage.now, that's impossible to do at 8%bf naturally.

Hey dick, If i do my shit right and take all precautions dont worry about me. Dont post stupid shit like this. If we do it, we do it safe (atleast the smart ones do.)

 

[Rebelrocker]

You should only use steroids if you have a solid foundation in training.That's at least 5-6 years of training under your belt.If you're a teenager with 1-2 years of training you have no business touching the gear.I looked at some of the pics here and some of the people there have no business doing roids yet.Every bodytype is different but here's what you should be able to achieve naturally:
Squat - 315 X 6.deep squats to the floor.
Bench - 315 X 6 or dumbell presses with 110's
Deadlift - 405 X 4
shoulder presses - 80 X 7
chins - 15 with your bodyweight
dumbell rows - 120 X 6/strict form
curls - 115 x 6 with olympic bar.Now I know that some of you wil smear at that saying "but I do 135 for 9".Right.While keeping your back intact? Don't swing even one inch? If you do that in a strict form you're one strong motherfucker with bi's from hell.

I achieved all of that and a bit more without gear.The reason why I am considering gear is to get ripped while using the same/more poundage.now, that's impossible to do at 8%bf naturally.

Damn,i can do all that,but only 13 times my bodyweight chins,guess im not ready for gear yet,LMAO!stupid post

 

[jstrong20]

Re: Re: Kids using gear.To all newbies.

Who are you, the fucking lifting police......please. [/B]

Yes he is and he just made me deputy and anybody that doesn't match these stats must send jstrong20 their gear immediatly. Of coarse I'll dispose of it properly

 

[Grave_Digger519]

Maybe some of those weights can be achieved naturally, but ppl that post these wait,wait,wait threads please realized that certain people have different reasons for getting on.

I know it's well meant, but 1) people who are old enough can make their own decision, and 2) teenagers are not going to listen anyway.

I can't pull those weights yet, but I am old enough that maybe I don't want to wait 5-6 years to get anywhere.

Steroids will 1) break through your natural potential or 2) get you to your natural potential faster.

peace

Fine.A agree that there's no scientific explanation for my lifts.I was only providing the stats according to my own standards.Now...don't you think you should reach your potential first and then juice? If you fuck around with diets, programs, etc for a year and NOTHING works that's a good indication that you have reached your genetic potential.Fuck around in a smart way of course.

 

[Grave_Digger519]

The numbers are stupid. Squat and bench the same amount? If someone were training correctly, their legs would be much stronger.

Those are not my numbers. I do squat 405 for 7.As far as bench goes I don't even do it.Dumbells instead.

 

[Grave_Digger519]

Re: Re: Kids using gear.To all newbies.

Hey dick, If i do my shit right and take all precautions dont worry about me. Dont post stupid shit like this. If we do it, we do it safe (atleast the smart ones do.)

Oh I could really give a flying fuck! Trust me my friend I am the biggest supporter of gear and ALL other drugs.I was merely stating my opinion, dickhead.You can do whatever the fuck you want, I don't care.

 

[Grave_Digger519]

Where the hell did you come up with this shit at? Hell I bet 90% of the guys in my gym can't even do half of those things. If I were to wait until I could achieve all those naturally I would have never got jacked. Alot of guys will never get real big naturally even after many years of big eating and training.

Then you got some weak people training there.How long have you been training anyway? I am not even that big, merely 190lbs at 5'7 that's all.

 

[Golfer18--old]

Re: Re: Re: Kids using gear.To all newbies.

Oh I could really give a flying fuck! Trust me my friend I am the biggest supporter of gear and ALL other drugs.I was merely stating my opinion, dickhead.You can do whatever the fuck you want, I don't care.

Your the one who made the stupid ass post, take it like a man bitch. Before you go to bed think of how stupid you really are. j/j bro, i know you meant well, but those lifts are a little over the edge.

 

[chronicx357]

this is the fucking stupidest post ive seen since ive been here. everyone is different. you can go your whole life without being able to lift those numbers if you have bad genetics.

 

[drrman]

i will post here and say those numbers are way off. Im a big boy as far as appearance, and as far as weight, 240lbs at 6'. I don't even do high ass weight anymore, i do slow controlled movements of lighter weight to get the burn. this method in my oppinion has gotten me much more quality muscle than any other form of weight training. I don't really know if i could bench 315 for 6 or not, but i know im a hella of a lot bigger than some guys in my gym who can? It all about appearance to me, not how much i bench or squat.

 

[Golfer18--old]

i will post here and say those numbers are way off. Im a big boy as far as appearance, and as far as weight, 240lbs at 6'. I don't even do high ass weight anymore, i do slow controlled movements of lighter weight to get the burn. this method in my oppinion has gotten me much more quality muscle than any other form of weight training. I don't really know if i could bench 315 for 6 or not, but i know im a hella of a lot bigger than some guys in my gym who can? It all about appearance to me, not how much i bench or squat.

I like the appearance part too, but i like the sense of accomplishment when you throw some heavy weight up.

 

[cure]

Fine.A agree that there's no scientific explanation for my lifts.I was only providing the stats according to my own standards.Now...don't you think you should reach your potential first and then juice? If you fuck around with diets, programs, etc for a year and NOTHING works that's a good indication that you have reached your genetic potential.Fuck around in a smart way of course.

Even at that, there are so many diets and training techniques. Whose to know when you reach your "genetic potential". Could be after 1 year or 15 years. It's all up to the individual.

 

[painly]

hes right

man saying the poundages was stupid, even though they are small for going natural. I believe training for 4 years then hitting juice is a good key. I see so many fuckers wasting money, its funny.'


i get biz
painly