kick starter

[samsaige]

can test prop be used as a kick start for test enan?

or is that just too much test at once? can the injections on both be balanced out so the number of mgs is no exceeding a safe amount?

i do not want to use dbol for my kickstart. all i hear is it causes major bloating and you lose almost all the size, since i had had luck with test prop before and it is short ester, i thought week one through 4 do test prop and enan, and then week 5 on, just enan since the longer ester would have kicked in by then?

any thoughts?

 

[holy ghost]

yes its fine

if you can get TNE id get that

 

[goku_kakarot77]

yes its fine

if you can get TNE id get that

^^
yup

 

[advanced-stealth]

Yeah you are good to go with Test Prop to start.

 

[halfcenturian]

Yes. In fact it's probably better than dbol in keep-able muscle mass and less "toxicity". Although I personally love Dbol.

Start test P and E at same time. Your Liver will love you.
Test P can mix right in with Enth if you want to save pokes.
I would run it Test P 75-100mg ED/weeks 1-4
Along with Test E200-250 2 X per week. Like Monday/Friday.

Then stop the Prop at week 5 and continue Test E to week 12.
Then do 4-6 week PCT.
Maintain good clean diet, as well as, lifting intensity AFTER your cycle.
Still you will probably lose 20% of your gains until you get some more cycles under your belt.Lift, eat, sleep, repeat. - as they say

 

[access]

Not unlike using Sus but with two esters instead of four.

 

[DaveTSI]

i like kick starting a cycle with sus as well as prop. 250mg ed alone or a 1/2 mL(125mg) + 50mg prop ed for 4 weeks kicks ass. I run that along with 750mg-1G of cyp or enan. I dont do dbol

 

[Nelson Montana]

Contrary to popular belief, prop doesn't saturate the bloodstream much quicker than cyp. On prop, levels will rise within minutes and stay elevated for approx a day and a half. Cyp will reach similar levels within a few hours but last for a little over a week. This is my long winded way of saying, why the fuck would anyone want to use propionate for anything? I just doen't get the appeal or the benefit of that drug.

 

[DaveTSI]

i get results much qicker from prop than i do with cyp. isnt the half life of cyp like 3-4 days longer than prop? if so how does your point make any sense?

 

[trowsersnake98]

i get results much qicker from testosterone propionate than i do with testosterone cypionate. isnt the half life of testosterone cypionate like 3-4 days longer than testosterone propionate? if so how does your point make any sense?

agreed, i have never heard that before.

not saying your wrong nelson, just wanting a little evidence to back it up.

 

[Nelson Montana]

i get results much qicker from testosterone propionate than i do with testosterone cypionate. isnt the half life of testosterone cypionate like 3-4 days longer than testosterone propionate? if so how does your point make any sense?

Not sure what you're saying. Prop is active for less time. How does that conflict with my point?

 

[access]

Contrary to popular belief, testosterone propionate doesn't saturate the bloodstream much quicker than testosterone cypionate. On testosterone propionate, levels will rise within minutes and stay elevated for approx a day and a half. Cyp will reach similar levels within a few hours but last for a little over a week. This is my long winded way of saying, why the fuck would anyone want to use propionate for anything? I just doen't get the appeal or the benefit of that drug.

Nelson, I would think you of all people should know that their are different responses to different compounds experienced by many. I think there is certainly enough anecdotal and actual evidence that Test Prop is one of the better steroids to use in a cycle if you can stand the constant pinning.

It's not unlike even Test C and E. There is little difference between these two chemically but again there is certainly evidence to show that some react much better to one than the other.

 

[justinjones1963]

IMO I've always seen a better jump with prop over eth.

 

[DaveTSI]

Not sure what you're saying. testosterone propionate is active for less time. How does that conflict with my point?

yes its active for less time but thats because its active sooner, which would mean with more frequent injects to keep levels up, you would see results quicker than with cypionate. no?

 

[702daswoll1]

That is odd cuz when I run prop i definitely can tell it hits harder and sooner.

 

[holy ghost]

youre both right

whats the Q?

 

[jumpmaster82]

test prop is a good kickstart

 

[Nelson Montana]

youre both right

whats the Q?

Yeah, really.

But also keep in mind there used to be anecdotal opinions on the differences between cyp and eth and they're exactly the same thing. Again, blood tests don't lie. Cyp is only a few hours slower than prop. How much more muscle are you going to grow in that time?

This is one of those things that if if something worked, you can't deny it. But there is a logic and science involved and the logic and science (as well as my own empirical evidence) tells me there's not much difference -- not enough to warrent daily inj IMO. But that doesn't mean prop doesn;t have its place.

 

[samsaige]

yes its fine

if you can get TNE id get that

holy ghost, i have studied steroids for a year now, but i do not understand these abbrev. TNE id? please forgive my ignorance and tell me what that is?

 

[holy ghost]

test no ester ( test suspension ) test base

Nelson, I agree with you on most everything. I think what we need to start reinforcing is, stories like this. I just gave a college ball player (yes hes black) 10mg winny ED. He has been taking THAT and ONLY that ( No supplemental protein even) for a month. He went up in his lifts by about 25 pounds and shaved a tenth off his 40time ( he runs a 4"31 best record, 4"4 any given day without stretching). He was already about 6% bf, but now hes about 5% and SHREDDED..

Point being is, a little bit can GO a LONG way. Back to basics, I have another buddy buddy (first timer) who i just put on 250mg test E ew (10wk'er). He trained hard naturally for 8 months prior, now on that he blew up 10 pounds (only in wk 6 so far )and about 50 pounds in all of his lifts. Was his natural body maxed before he jumped on ? NO, but look how far 250mg test with right dieting went.

 

[Nelson Montana]

test no ester ( test suspension ) test base

Nelson, I agree with you on most everything. I think what we need to start reinforcing is, stories like this. I just gave a college ball player (yes hes black) 10mg Winstrol - stanozolol ED. He has been taking THAT and ONLY that ( No supplemental protein even) for a month. He went up in his lifts by about 25 pounds and shaved a tenth off his 40time ( he runs a 4"31 best record, 4"4 any given day without stretching). He was already about 6% bf, but now hes about 5% and SHREDDED..

Point being is, a little bit can GO a LONG way. Back to basics, I have another buddy buddy (first timer) who i just put on 250mg testosterone enanthate ew (10wk'er). He trained hard naturally for 8 months prior, now on that he blew up 10 pounds (only in wk 6 so far )and about 50 pounds in all of his lifts. Was his natural body maxed before he jumped on ? NO, but look how far 250mg test with right dieting went.

For real. I wish more people got that message.

 

[halfcenturian]

holy ghost, i have studied steroids for a year now, but i do not understand these abbrev. TNE id? please forgive my ignorance and tell me what that is?

Most of his verbiage is gang lingo. Don't fuck wiyh the G man. He drop dime and his boys go to work on your cousins....then work up to you.

 

[holy ghost]

yall is crazy

 

[builtbychevy]

fo sho snizzle my nizzle like a soda pop fizzle

 

[702daswoll1]

Yeah, really.

But also keep in mind there used to be anecdotal opinions on the differences between testosterone cypionate and eth and they're exactly the same thing. Again, blood tests don't lie. Cyp is only a few hours slower than testosterone propionate. How much more muscle are you going to grow in that time?

This is one of those things that if if something worked, you can't deny it. But there is a logic and science involved and the logic and science (as well as my own empirical evidence) tells me there's not much difference -- not enough to warrent daily inj IMO. But that doesn't mean testosterone propionate doesn;t have its place.

Nelson, In case you have not noticed I no longer ask questions of you because of the fear of having some supp shoved down my throat. YEAH? REALLY!

 

[rudy76]

Nelson, you said "On testosterone propionate, levels will rise within minutes and stay elevated for approx a day and a half. testosterone cypionate will reach similar levels within a few hours but last for a little over a week."

Being new to all of this and based on your point above why does cyp or enan take up to 5 weeks to "feel" if bloodwork would show after a few hours.

I would guess because when using cyp or enan it's a cumulative effect and you are feeling an overlap of injects rather than just the one you would feel on prop. Also the slow release cyp has less of an obvious and immediate impact.

Am I close?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, In case you have not noticed I no longer ask questions of you because of the fear of having some supp shoved down my throat. YEAH? REALLY!

Where did I mention any supps in that post?! I'll only recommend something when I think it'll help.

rudy: Yes, there is a culmative effect, but it's also a misperception. Many people, myself included, feel steroids within a few days. Some people swear they feel it right away while others will claim that's just placebo. If you don't feel any effects within a few weeks I think it's because you're not expected to. Too many people waste the first few weeks when they're in the most anabolic state. They don't take advantage of the increase in T and nitrogen retention, instead, waiting around for the steroids to "kick in" when in fact, THEY'RE IN.

Naturally, prop doesn't show any growth effects right away but because of a quicker spike people swear they "feel" it more. It's all splitting hairs. Muscle growth is not any faster with a shorter acting compound.