Kick Boxing for self defense????

[yungsmoke]

mauy thai is only good to fight against non-graplers bjj is the best hands down

 

[Kwai-Chang Caine]

yungsmoke,

No one style is best! A combination of skills, techniques, and conditioning is what really matters. I believe that BJJ is an incredible style, but it is not infallible. Let's say that two evenly matched BJJ practicioners are fighting one another. If one of those BJJ practicioners knew Muay Thai as well, wouldn't that give him an advantage?

To prove my point in spades please refer to the following:

Sakuraba vs Silveira-UFC Japan
Sakuraba vs Belfort- Pride 5
Sakuraba vs Royler Gracie-Pride 8
Sakuraba vs Royce Gracie-Pride Grand Prix 2000 Final Round
Sakuraba vs Renzo Gracie-Pride 10
Sakuraba vs Ryan Gracie-Pride 12

Oh, and by the way, Sakuraba isn't a BJJ practicioner. He is a pro-wrestler with an extensive background in Catch wrestling and freestle wrestling. He is also a very good striker (Muay Thai techniques).

 

[xonic2xonic]

Hey, I was just reading these posts. I'm not into any martial art but have dabbled in this and that. I use a heavy bag for my cardio training and I have stretched my leg tendons enough to almost do splits and certainly get off some decent kicks.

The few times I have had to defend myself and used kicks, sometimes I did hit with a shin when I meant to contact with my heel. What that resulted in was fukin huge pain (not felt till after because I was so pumped full of adrenaline I guess) and a huge bruise!? Is it like the movies and you guys take massive hits to your shins to kill the nerves? What about bruising, won't this happen regardless of nerves?

 

[Kwai-Chang Caine]

How does one attempt to hit someone with their heel, but instead hits them with their shin? That doesn't even make sense. Could you please elaborate?

 

[Thaibox]

Hey, I was just reading these posts. I'm not into any martial art but have dabbled in this and that. I use a heavy bag for my cardio training and I have stretched my leg tendons enough to almost do splits and certainly get off some decent kicks.

The few times I have had to defend myself and used kicks, sometimes I did hit with a shin when I meant to contact with my heel. What that resulted in was fukin huge pain (not felt till after because I was so pumped full of adrenaline I guess) and a huge bruise!? Is it like the movies and you guys take massive hits to your shins to kill the nerves? What about bruising, won't this happen regardless of nerves?

The best weapon Thai fighters have in their arsenal is their shins(in my opinion). There is only one large bone impacting, instead of hundreds of tiny ones like your feet. I've beat the crap out of my shins in various drills for years. I haven't been training due to an injury, and I can feel them a little more than I use to right now. But I can still brake broomsticks on them all day long, or slam a telephone pole a few times. People have always thought I was weird, walking around with bruises and open wounds on my shins. They always undestood after coming to one of my fights though. Once they hear the shin on shin "CLACK" that makes the crowd go "ooohhhhh".

And to address yungsmoke's comment. You obviously have no fighting background whatsoever, so take your childish opinions and go back to your couch and watch the UFC with a beer in your hand.

 

[xonic2xonic]

Fuck the thought of that makes me shudder.

Now Kwai-Chang Caine, I really dont understand what you don't understand??? I't's like either they moved in too close in the middle of my kick, or I over extended or moved in. Whats to not understand about that or are you making fun of my lack of skill?

 

[danielson]

Fuck the thought of that makes me shudder.

Now Kwai-Chang Caine, I really dont understand what you don't understand??? I't's like either they moved in too close in the middle of my kick, or I over extended or moved in. Whats to not understand about that or are you making fun of my lack of skill?

so like you were chambering for say a front thrusting kick for example and they camer in and struck your shine before you extended your leg

i think he (what i was thinking too) is you intended to hit someone with your heel and during the actual kick you missed and hit them with your shin. i couldnt figure out how, so i guess you must have meant during the chamber

 

[xonic2xonic]

No no, I did miss with my heel and make contact with shin! How is that hard to understand? I don't know MA so I don't know what kick that is, but will try to describe. The motion I guess you would say was linear with my foot parallale to the ground. Sort of like trying to punch with a hook and making contact with forearm instead of the fist,

 

[danielson]

No no, I did miss with my heel and make contact with shin! How is that hard to understand? I don't know MA so I don't know what kick that is, but will try to describe. The motion I guess you would say was linear with my foot parallale to the ground. Sort of like trying to punch with a hook and making contact with forearm instead of the fist,

do you mean the ball of the foot

the heel is the thing at the back of your foot (sorry if i sound condescending but im really confused as to what kick you did)....so if you were trying to impact with that and you missed wouldnt you hit the calf muscle....

if you were trying to hit wit the ball of the foot (just below toes) and missed you could hit with the shin? its only a side issue anyway, im just curious

 

[xonic2xonic]

Heh this is getting carried a bit far...

Yeah DUH me, I meant the ball, now I see what you guys are bitching about defying physics and all.

So still... what you are saying is that MA guys that use shins just kill them till the nerves are dead and fuk the bruises and cuts?