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ketamine?

I'll sound like the drug crazed dumbass here, but i have done K many many times and have had many enjoyable experiences with it. Although i haven't done it in a while, i can tell you it sucks unless you are on X, rolling and a few bumps of K is outrageous. If you are going to inject, i always used a insulin pin to the shoulder and never went over 30 units or so to be safe.
 
KETAMINE
is virtually the same as PCP
it merely acts as a neurosedative as opposed to a neurostimulant- other wise the effects as well as their chemical structure are virtually identical.
 
KETAMINE
is virtually the same as PCP
it merely acts as a neurosedative as opposed to a neurostimulant- other wise the effects as well as their chemical structure are virtually identical.

What the FUCK are YOU talking about?????????????


See my above posts please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PCP and Ketamine are two COMPLETELY different things......they aren't even in the same class of drugs!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
well, I am talking about this



PCP and Ketamine are hallucinogenic drugs with anesthetic properties. PCP's chemical name is 1-(1-phencyclohexyl) piperidine. The drug is typically smoked, mixed in powdered form with a leafy substance such as parsley, mint, tobacco, or marijuana; it may also be dissolved in a liquid and sprayed onto the leaves. It also can be injected or inhaled. The effects of PCP depend on the susceptibility of the user and other variables such as mood, dosage, and setting. Effects are evident one to two hours after ingestion and generally last four to six hours. Among chronic users, the reappearance of disorientation and visual, memory, and speech disorders has been noted. The drug accumulates in the body.



As with other hallucinogenic drugs, PCP does not cause physical dependence. In low doses, it produces effects similar to those of LSD, although violent and psychotic behaviour seem to be more characteristic of PCP.


Both Ketamine and PCP have mild effects including feelings of detachment from the surroundings, emotional swings and an altered sense of space and time. Higher doses cause visual distortions and illusions. Users can also feel a separation from their bodies. Most users do not have psychotic episodes, but PCP especially is extremely unpredictable. The PCP user exhibits emotional instability, excited intoxication, lack of coordination, and is often impervious to pain. At high doses, PCP is highly toxic and can cause convulsions and coma.



Physical effects of PCP include high blood pressure, increased deep-tendon muscle reflexes, respiratory depression, dangerously high body temperature and muscle rigidity. The physical effects of Ketamine are similar but are much milder.



Both PCP and ketamine block the actions of the neurotransmittor glutamate at one of its receptors. Glutamate is an inhibatory neurotransmittor. This can cause the feeling of disconnection from body or environment. At the same time, PCP acts like an amphetamine by releasing the neurotransmittor dopamine. This accounts for the excitation, increased energy and activity. This makes PCP have a tremendous overdose hazard and causes users to react unpredictably and hurt themselves. Ketamine does not have this effect on dopamine.



At high doses, PCP is highly toxic and can cause convulsions and coma. Among chronic users, the reappearance of disorientation and visual, memory, and speech disorders has been noted. The drug accumulates in the body. PCP also can cause general anesthesia at high doses, which in turn can lead to dangerously high body temperatures (up to 108 degrees), blood pressure so high it can cause a stroke, breathing can cease, or a prolonged seizure period. Both PCP and ketamine can also cause a prolonged state resembling paranoid schizophrenia.
 
AND THIS

ARYLCYCLOHEXYLAMINES: PCP AND KETAMINE

Phencyclidine (PCP) was developed for analgesics and anaesthetics, but it is now obsolete because of postoperative psychoses. It is still used in veterinary science. It causes sedation, immobility, amnesia and analgesia. The name 'dissociative anaesthesia' is used in this connection.

As an anaesthetic it has been replaced by ketamine (brand name Ketalar) (note 150). This is not a patented product. Ketamine is also manufactured in Hungary and Yugoslavia. PCP and ketamine affect the cortex and the limbic system. Application rapidly brings on analgesia and amnesia. Lack of consciousness lasts 10 to 15 minutes after intravenous application, analgesia lasts 40 minutes, and amnesia can last 1 to 2 hours. Coming round again can take hours, and is sometimes accompanied by unpleasant dreams and hallucinations. Almost 50~ of the persons above 30 experience excitation/delirium or are bothered by visual hallucinations. This is much less common among children and young adults, which is why it is mainly used in child surgery.

Intracerebral pressure, intraocular pressure and cerebral circulation increase. The pharyngeal and laryngeal reflexes remain intact. The coughing reflex is repressed, bronchial resistance is reduced, bronchial spasms are suspended.

There is little relaxation of the muscles, and muscular tension may increase, sometimes accompanied by purposeless movements. Metabolism increases. It has many sideeffects: bizarre and violent behavior, hallucinations, agitation, catatonic rigidity, disorientation, lack of coordination, nystagmus, hypersalivation, vomiting, convulsions, numbness, hypertension, tachycardia, cardiovascular depression is rare. Malign hyperpyrexia with rhabdomolysis resulting in collapse of the kidneys can occur.

The treatment of all toxic symptoms is symptomatic. The toxic psychosis is indistinguishable from schizophrenia. Haloperidol is preferable to chlorpromazine. Acid urine increases the secretion.

There are many contraindications: glaucoma, hypertension, cerebrovascular accident in the case history, heart weakness, increased intracranial pressure, psychiatric deviations, esp. schizophrenia.

It affects the NMDA receptor and inhibits the reuptake of dopamine, serotonin and noradrenaline. Selfinjection behavior occurs among monkeys with PCP.
 
The desired effects of these two drugs may be similar, but the pharmacology is very different. The chemical structure between the two is VERY distinguishable. Not a flame, but I feel that you information is off.
 
PCP and KETAMINE are both ARYLCYCLOHEXYLAMINES
Both are dissociative anaesthetics. Both are based on a phenyl group and a substituted amino group attached to the same cyclohexyl carbon. Ketamine was synthesized in a search for less toxic analogues of PCP. The structural similarity between the two is obvious even to someone who isn't a pharmaceutical chemist. They are different substances, but they're clearly in the same chemical and pharmacological families.
 
by the way, i don't use it.. i was just asking for info on it.. didn't mean to start a big argument.. lol
 
Macrophage great info...I agree with you entirely. Info is 100% on the money. For mor123, I think the reason why I have never used any of the narcotics I give is for several reasons: 1. I have seen firsthand how people react to the drugs..stop breathing (sufentanyl), low blood pressure (fentanyl, morphine), changes in heart (ketamine) and a host of other problems. 2. I seen the idiots who come in through the emergency department at 3 am seizing on cocaine or having a heart attack from it. 3. I KNOW what they do so why would I want to do them. 4. I would lose my job and the respect of my family and friends. I know some docs who have used some of these drugs..and their careers have ended. Its not so easy to steal drugs when your tolerance starts to build up..they go from 1 cc to 10 cc to 20cc..beleive me people noitice when alot of that stuff is missing. The point is this...I will never try that stuff ever..in fact I do not even like takinf ANY medicatons..go figure..a doc who hates to take medicine. :)
 
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