keeping blood levels stable on sustanon?

[cuts82]

ok so ive been waiting for my test cyp for a few weeks and yesterday i talked to my guy and guess what he cant get cyp only sus 250,
i have wanted to stay away from sustanon but its all i can get for a while so im gonna run it.

Im only want to shoot 250mg per week but i have heard alot its better to run every other day.
I was thinking 0.5 ml every third day eg. sun,wen,sat .
i know this is more then 250mg a week.

has any one run this kinda protocol before? maintained stable levels?

Thanks bros

 

[DaveTSI]

you have to run more sus because of the extra weight of the esters, its not actually 250mg of straight test, its around 190mg. id say once every three days you may be ok at a higher dose, but at 125mg e3d i dont know if it would be effective. you may be wasting the shorter esters.

when i run sus i shoot either ed or eod 125mg up to 250mg depending at where im at in my cycle. its very effective and makes for very stable levels. im not suggesting you do that high of a dose, but if you did 125mg eod that would work out to about 400mg/wk which is a good level to start at with sus imo

 

[cuts82]

makes sense what you said man, thanks. im taking it in .
how do you find sides with sus?

 

[the elite addict]

twice a week is fine . EOD is better.

 

[10001110101]

sus is fine 2x a week.

no need for eod pins, esp. sus cuz it can be painful

 

[gaw31]

to create more stable levels - if your ass can handle it - it is better to take smaller amounts more freq --ie 1cc m/w/fr -(min.)

 

[DBBT]

sustanon is a waste, use a long lasting ester to get what you want...or specifically a short one, one or the other. Don't mix and match and try to find an even level.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

No one, I mean NO ONE, will be able to tell the difference between taking Sust 500mg once a week, and taking Sust 250mg twice a week.
No one will notice the difference between Cyp 500 mg EW, and Sust 500mg EW.
I'm not saying there's not a difference. I'm saying you won't notice the difference.

 

[airsmith2k]

ive been shootin one amp of sus every other day

 

[Burpees]

No one, I mean NO ONE, will be able to tell the difference between taking Sust 500mg once a week, and taking Sust 250mg twice a week.
No one will notice the difference between Cyp 500 mg EW, and Sust 500mg EW.
I'm not saying there's not a difference. I'm saying you won't notice the difference.

I noticed the switch from Cyp to Enan, injection pain, bloat, vigor.. I like Enan better.

To the original poster, I'd shoot it every 4th day...disregard the days of the week. Your cycle is 12 weeks? That's more specifically 84 days, go from there.

 

[timtim]

No one, I mean NO ONE, will be able to tell the difference between taking Sust 500mg once a week, and taking Sust 250mg twice a week.
No one will notice the difference between Cyp 500 mg EW, and Sust 500mg EW.
I'm not saying there's not a difference. I'm saying you won't notice the difference.

disagree. my skin knows the difference big time.

 

[xrsist]

sust twice a week is fine

 

[Powerbuilder333]

disagree. my skin knows the difference big time.

More acne?

I should have said "I" can't tell the difference - and I've used (pass tense) pretty much every combination of Test.

 

[OMEGA]

No one, I mean NO ONE, will be able to tell the difference between taking Sust 500mg once a week, and taking Sust 250mg twice a week.
No one will notice the difference between Cyp 500 mg EW, and Sust 500mg EW.
I'm not saying there's not a difference. I'm saying you won't notice the difference.

solid spine felt the same way too

and your probably right

But when you look at a Graph of blood level the Dip is SUBSTANTIAL past the 5 day marker

But I agree in some part with what you said in terms perception

 

[timtim]

More acne?

I should have said "I" can't tell the difference - and I've used (pass tense) pretty much every combination of Test.

never had acne with test e, test p. sus, my skin hates sus.

 

[Burpees]

never had acne with test e, test p. sus, my skin hates sus.

I think conversion is more aggressive with all the esters dying at once.. just a theory.

I'm mid way through my cycle and i'm starting to get random pimples on my shoulders/traps/back/back of arms.. its not like crazy loads of it, just one or random one, like right now i probably have 6 all over.. Dunno if it was the switch to Enan from Cyp.. I ran them both the first week I switched.

 

[timtim]

I think conversion is more aggressive with all the esters dying at once.. just a theory.

I'm mid way through my cycle and i'm starting to get random pimples on my shoulders/traps/back/back of arms.. its not like crazy loads of it, just one or random one, like right now i probably have 6 all over.. Dunno if it was the switch to Enan from Cyp.. I ran them both the first week I switched.

since i started letro for my gyno issue (adex and nolva could barely control it) - another thing sus has done, went 10 years with not an itchy nip or anything, had to use sus due to availability last year and it started and has since progressed - the acne has dramatically declined and began to dry up. im only on day 4 of the letro but there is a noticeable difference. my wife even said how much better my skin looked.

 

[bw1]

No one, I mean NO ONE, will be able to tell the difference between taking Sust 500mg once a week, and taking Sust 250mg twice a week.
No one will notice the difference between Cyp 500 mg EW, and Sust 500mg EW.
I'm not saying there's not a difference. I'm saying you won't notice the difference.

I don't agree, by your own post you basically admit there is a difference. Why do you think NO ONE would notice? I like 2 x EW injects with Enan, Cyp etc. Just seems better for me.

 

[DBBT]

I don't agree, by your own post you basically admit there is a difference. Why do you think NO ONE would notice? I like 2 x EW injects with Enan, Cyp etc. Just seems better for me.

plus won

 

[cuts82]

since i started letro for my gyno issue (adex and nolva could barely control it) - another thing sus has done, went 10 years with not an itchy nip or anything, had to use sus due to availability last year and it started and has since progressed - the acne has dramatically declined and began to dry up. im only on day 4 of the letro but there is a noticeable difference. my wife even said how much better my skin looked.

So you think the excess estro had alot to do with you getting acne timtim? on 250mg a week im not extremely concerned about it but still i will try to get some letro just incase, its a b- iatch to get over here but

 

[timtim]

So you think the excess estro had alot to do with you getting acne timtim? on 250mg a week im not extremely concerned about it but still i will try to get some letro just incase, its a b- iatch to get over here but

cant say for sure but its amazing how much its cleared up since the letro.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I don't agree, by your own post you basically admit there is a difference. Why do you think NO ONE would notice? I like 2 x EW injects with Enan, Cyp etc. Just seems better for me.

Because the difference can only be measured by blood tests. The human organism isn't sensitive enough to detect minor (or even major) hormonal fluctuations on a day to day bases. That's my belief anyhow...

 

[Big_Joe]

I think a lot of the confusion comes from a common misunderstanding of how esters function in the body. When you read something that talks about a half life of an ester this is the ideal state. In reality the amount of time it takes for the esterfied steroid to become available is determined by the number of the enzymes that are in the area of injection. One enzime strips one carbon atom from the ester. If there are billions of the enzyme in the area, not an uncommon occurance, billions of carbon atoms will be stripped and the AAS will become bioavailable. So even long esters can become bioavailable way before their theoretical half lifes says it should. Biological systems are not mathematical systems. There is no way of knowing how much of the enzyme is available at any particular location in the body. ( please forgive me it's late and I can't remember the name of the enzime. )

What usually occurs is when one starts a cycle there are lots of these enzymes floating about and they strip off lots of carbon atoms right away and you have bioavailable AAS. But as time passes and the enzymes get used up, your body produces only so much of them, that the biological system begins to aproach the mathmatical system of the half life for what ever you are using.

Blood levels do fluctuate but it really not as important as some would have you beleive. Proper training and proper nutrition are much much more important. So don't waste precious brain power on it just train hard and eat right. This will get you to the goal much better them worrying about a few points of difference in you blood levels.

 

[eddymerckx]

http://www.steroidsource.net/calculator.htm

plug in the numbers and you will see--e/o/d is require for flat/stable levels.

 

[Dougger316]

Just starting a cycle of the 450 but I'm breaking it down with grapeseed oil (50/50), should I still go EOD or just do it twice a week? Also, should I take anything at the end or after the cycle? I've been told Clomid, any opinions?

 

[HAYEZ]

eod is the only way to keep things even...

 

[mattu3743]

seem like more people like test e and c more than they like sust. would it be better to run prop and enan together than using sus??

 

[Dougger316]

And take it easy on me guys I'm just a begginer, hence the reason I'm asking for advice

 

[DaveTSI]

seem like more people like test e and c more than they like sust. would it be better to run prop and enan together than using sus??

no because youd still have to inject atleast EOD, if you are going to do that you should use sus and really take advantage of its makeup. More people should try sus ed/eod IMO, it is the only way, the best way, to use sus.

 

[mattu3743]

no because youd still have to inject atleast EOD, if you are going to do that you should use sus and really take advantage of its makeup. More people should try sus ed/eod IMO, it is the only way, the best way, to use sus.

oh ok, but say if you where running a test enan. cycle and you wanted to through some test prop at the begining, would it better to do that or to use sus??