Keepability of strength gains from various drugs

[nzrodney]

Personally I think winny (inj) 100mg EOD will increase strength by somewhere around 25% over a 4-6 week addition to a typical test based cycle. I find that a good % of that is kept, but then my "cycle" is a pretty ongoing one. I just like to drop it in for about 5-6 weeks every few months. On my last recent run on winny my leg press went from 9-13 plates a side for 12 reps.

 

[smtimelevi]

I agree I've had good strength experiences with winny.

But I have to say keepable gains are about recovrey. Thats why some will say primo or var. Its not easy to keep strength gains when your balls arent producing test and you take juice out of the equasion your fu*ked. So the harsh roids may be the best on a cycle but the worst after.

 

[sugashane]

Without a solid PCT any gear will be wasted.

 

[eddymerckx]

my biggest query is the other mechanisms involved in strenght gain such as neural effiency.

for example, with trenbolone, person will definitely achieve greater motor unit activation and will be able to use more from his motor pool.

muscles can be kept with correct diet and pct, but what about other things such as neural improvements???

i believe that is the reason why people cannot keep super-trenbolone-strength gains unlike other drugs

you know, there are few topics brought up on this board that i have not at least tried/heard/read something about---this topic, however, make me feel about as smart as a fence post.

okay for those that feel as clueless as me--good article here..

http://www.asbweb.org/conferences/2005/pdf/0487.pdf

and here

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1724966&blobtype=pdf

amd a real basic one here
http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0861.htm

and really simple concept:

Strength is also determined by neural effciency. If you spend an
hour a day shooting baskets, you'll presumably get better and better,
and this is to a large degree because of an increase in neural
efficiency. The same thing happens when you lift weights your
muscles get used to making that particular movement, and they
become more effcient in lifting a weight. Part of this is accomplished
by recruiting more muscle fibers to handle the imposed workload.
Increasing resistance, i.e., slapping more iron on the bar, will prompt
your body to recruit more and more fibers, and generally, this
"recruit" is again a subtype of the aforementioned Type II fibers.
Again, it's these fibers that are most susceptible to growth.

and

There are substances called neural growth factors and androgenic drugs stimulate these substances. When this occurs the production of these substances increases and they sensitize the nerves ability to tell the muscle to contract. Biomechanists and physiologists call this, "increased neuromuscular efficiency". Basically, when using androgenic drugs, your nerves become better (are stimulated by the neural growth factors) to have a more accurate and potent ability to contract the muscle fibers that they innervate. You are practically instantaneously stronger!

learn something new everyday

 

[nzrodney]

you know, there are few topics brought up on this board that i have not at least tried/heard/read something about---this topic, however, make me feel about as smart as a fence post.

Hey my friend How ya doing? Have to agree on this one with you. I guess we better just stick to the Tax & Cooking LOL

 

[aquatic_glories]

wow, finally a trenbolone

who chosed that???

 

[Latamier]

Primo, Primo, Primo!!! Man I love Primo. Can you tell? Not only do I keep the muscle size and strength associated with it, but I get virtually NO side effects from it either.

 

[aquatic_glories]

Primo, Primo, Primo!!! Man I love Primo. Can you tell? Not only do I keep the muscle size and strength associated with it, but I get virtually NO side effects from it either.

Great to hear that. How would you compare your primo experiences with same dose test experiences?? plus what experiences do you have with these about stacking with others??

thanks

 

[Latamier]

It's kind of hard to do that since primo only comes with 100mg/ml. That would be a huge ammount of oil you would have to inject. I will say that test definately works faster, so if it is instant results you want, test is the way to go. On that note though, a lot of your gains from test are from water retention since it aromatizes into estrogen. That is why you loose a lot of your gains when you come off. You literally piss them away. With primo it does not convert to estrogen so you dont get the so called false results that you get from test. I can honestly say that you will keep at least 80% if not more of the strength and size you gain from primo.

 

[aquatic_glories]

It's kind of hard to do that since primo only comes with 100mg/ml. That would be a huge ammount of oil you would have to inject. I will say that test definately works faster, so if it is instant results you want, test is the way to go. On that note though, a lot of your gains from test are from water retention since it aromatizes into estrogen. That is why you loose a lot of your gains when you come off. You literally piss them away. With primo it does not convert to estrogen so you dont get the so called false results that you get from test. I can honestly say that you will keep at least 80% if not more of the strength and size you gain from primo.

Wow, i never thought it was that marvellous.
Why do you have to tell this to me 4 hours before i will get my AAS ready for next cycle which has test in it