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Just ordered a DE Squat Suit- advice?

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latinus_spicticus

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Okay, just got off the phone with Inzer. Um, I ordered the champion suit from them. I didn't know until very recently that you had to wear a suit or briefs when using the box squats.

I hope I got the right thing, I searched all through this site and basically came to the conclusion that everyone had different opinions on how/what to order, so I researched and bought the cheapest available suit. Anyway, the funny thing is that I gave all my measurements to the lady and she said it would be a size 36! Fuck, I asked her if that was correct, b/c my thighs are 25" at mid-point, my butt is 40", and my waist is 32". She said, since your butt is big you have to get a 36. Then I told her I didn't want a competition fit, so she said "okay, honey, you'll need a 38 then". I about shit my pants, I only weigh 202 and have a 32" waist. I am pretty small to be wearing anything that says 38 on the tag. I am worried that I this thing is going to be too loose to support my hips. Does anyone have experience with these suits (again, I searched but only found a couple of posts, which were irrelevant)? I tried to ask her a lot of questions on the phone but she was all about getting the sale over with ASAP. I tend to stress out over little things, anyway. Now I am about to have a panic attack (chugs an imaginary glass of southern comfort)...ahh...Oh well, I guess it is a learning experience. I really wanted to get the Titan but I wasn't sure if it was appropriate for simple hip protection (it is supposed to be really heavy duty fabric as far as I know) plus it is twice the price. I will probably buy one for competition, though.

Now on to the belt. I have a tapered belt, is that good enough for DE box squatting or do I need to buy a 4" non-tapered thickass powerlifting belt (I know I will need one to compete). From what I know, I just need to learn how to use my abs, so maybe I can turn my belt around backwards so the 4" part is in the front? If not, what are the preferred brands? I am thinking maybe inzer or titan if it is absolutely necessary, but there are a shitload of others like crain, bob's belts,etc. Can anyone help me out with this? I basically want to get the best belt for the money, funds are tight right now and I need to buy a GOOD(texas power bar, most likely) as my old york olympic bar just isn't cutting the mustard anymore. And if anyone wants to PM me or email me about maybe finding a used belt, please don't hesitate.

I already have the blue cons, funny thing is I bought the suit in royal blue without even thinking so I will look like a royal jackass while wearing this stuff.

Please don't hesitate to give advice, comment on, or slam me.

Peace.:worried:
 
I've never known there to be special suit for speed. I thought a suit was for squatting....fast or slow. :confused:
 
oh crap

Well, basically from my search I deduced that ordering a competition fit would take 2 people to get me into and would be really hard to set back on the box without using a lot of wieght, and that a loose suit that is just tight enough to support the hips should be used. Also, on the elitefts.com website I searched and they say they used old, stretched out suits for DE day b/c they just need enough support for hip protection.

I plan on squatting using compensentory accelleration (as per westside's recommendations) on my DE days and in competition, but I thought you need a competition and a training suit(just to protect the hips), and that the training should be looser than the competition one? Fuck. I really wish PL'ing was more popular so I could go to a store and try these things on.

I guess I'll take a shower before trying on the suit (so I don't stank it up) and send it back if it doesn't fit, although I hate to do things like that.

:redhot:

Edited: Okay, are you messing with me? Here are some quotes taken from the elitefitnesssystems QandA board about suits:

"Training without a suit is less effective as it will wear on the hips. We wear loose suits to help with our hips."

and

"Dave,

I understand that you wear a loose squat suit on speed squat day. Do wear groove briefs under the suit as well? Right now I do not wear a suit at all but am starting to have some hip ache with better technique in the squat. Thanks.
Chuck P.

Chuck,
We wear one or the other, but not both. It doesn't really matter which you wear as we never pull the straps up. "

and

"Dave/Bob, On dynamic squat day you said to wear a loose suit with the straps down. If your not wearing one does it matter on the percents you use for your squat cycle? Thanks!

IF YOU ARE TAKING YOUR PERCENTAGES OFF A MEET MAX WITH EQUIPMENT AND HAVE DECIDED TO DO YOUR DYNAMIC/SPEED SQUAT WORKOUT WITH NO EQUIPMENT I WOULD THINK YOU'D HAVE TO LOWER THE PERCENTAGES TO MAINTAIN BAR SPEED.

TAKE MY ADVICE!WEAR A LOOSE SQUAT SUIT(STRAPS DOWN) OR A PAIR OF GROOVE BRIEFS ON DYNAMIC/SPEED SQUAT DAY.IT WILL SAVE YOUR GROIN AND HIPS IN THE LONG RUN."
 
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I have a training suit too, and a competition suit. One is just a smaller version of the other. I wear the training suit for ME and DE work in the gym, and the other is for maxing out (which is rare) and for upcoming comps.
 
I have a training suit too, and a competition suit. One is just a smaller version of the other. I wear the training suit for ME and DE work in the gym, and the other is for maxing out (which is rare) and for upcoming comps.
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Yeah, that is what I meant in my first post. Sorry I can be quite incoherent and rambling...

I ordered the suit in one size bigger than "competition fit" for my DE squat days. I don't ever plan on wearing it for anything else. I just got it to protect my hips as per the advice of many WSB people. It was my understanding (from searching the boards and other sites) that the DE suit should be ordered one size larger so it doesn't take a shoehorn to get into. I don't know. If worse comes to worse, I may just have to break out chocolate milk/hamburger diet or eat enough "clean" foods to gain 30lbs and widen my narrow ass.
 
Both sizes 36 or 38 will be fine for your speed day . Just wear the straps down. Youir hips are 2 inches smaller than mine and i'm 220 and the 36 champion i have is not really that tight. Both will work fine its just for helping keep your hips and grion form gettting to beat up.
 
IMO:

you should have gotten groove briefs.

at meet time, you add a suit on top of these. you don't change sizes of the briefs or suit for competition.

again, IMO, i think that those who rely on gear being ultra tight on the squat are doing themselves a disservice. it is uncomfortable, requires more than 1 person to get it, and is hard to nail perfectly.

also, the bigger a lifter gets, the less he can get away with tight gear.

/irish
 
you should have gotten groove briefs.
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IRISH, I really thought about doing that, but from what I've read they tend to be real ball smashers, and my nuts already interfere with my lifting as it is (I have hard time doing GHRs, straight legged situps, etc. b/c they get in the way). That is what caused me to shy away from the briefs and opt for the suit, instead. Maybe it is a myth about the briefs causing mucho testicular constriction, but there is a lot of conflicting info on the boards WRT equipment. But since they are cheap, I will go ahead and get some anyway. I still have a lot of things to invest in, though. If my suit doesn't fit then I will probably just go with the briefs. Your advice, as always is very helpful. Thank you.



Both sizes 36 or 38 will be fine for your speed day . Just wear the straps down. Youir hips are 2 inches smaller than mine and i'm 220 and the 36 champion i have is not really that tight. Both will work fine its just for helping keep your hips and grion form gettting to beat up.
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Thanks for the reassurance. I am not as worried, now. Like I said, if I need to gain weight just to fit into the singlet, winter is coming up and I can hide some fat w/o scaring the women away. No biggie. Ditto on the help, you shall all recieve gifts shortly.
 
LMAO...my suits are 36 and 38 too
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(kung fu voice on)Alas, one which is strong. You may possess muscular and powerful hips and thighs but you will never match the development of my rhomboids and impressive elbows out bench press style. j/k.

Seriously, though, does the 38 help with the DE box squatting?

What can I say about my legs? I basically neglected my legs for the past year, other than using my reverse hyper and performing the occasional sumo deadlift and/or lunge. However, I did a max effort squat workout tonight (arched back GMs, reverse hypers, straight legged situps, belt squats) and good lord did I eat a lot of food post-workout. I forgot how hungry one gets after an intense lower-body workout. I am sure once I start training both squat days per week and both bench days that I will creep up into the 220's without much effort. One day I will be a man...one day...
 
"but from what I've read they tend to be real ball smashers, and my nuts already interfere with my lifting"


What do you need your nuts for? I never noticed a problem :)


Tight gear is tight gear, suit or briefs. Just get it looser.

/t
 
LS, honestly, since you haven't been squatting at all, you are going to see great gains in speed and strength just from getting in the gym and doing it. Suit or not suit.

Personally, I would learn proper form WITHOUT the suit first.
 
IrishPower said:
"but from what I've read they tend to be real ball smashers, and my nuts already interfere with my lifting"


What do you need your nuts for? I never noticed a problem :)


Tight gear is tight gear, suit or briefs. Just get it looser.

/t
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Hopefully the 38 will fit well.

Yeah, I hear you on the nuts thing, they are constantly getting in the way. I am not ready to take "it" to the next level, if you catch my drift. The ECA stack seems to help in the shrinkage department somewhat, though. Oh my lord, why am I discussing this in public?

Honestly, I should have made a post asking for advice about buying a suit vs. briefs, but when I searched I found a bunch of conflicting info, and the nut crusher thing scared me pretty bad, so I just went with my gut instinct and got the suit. My background in wrestling doesn't help much, either, as I kind of miss wearing a singlet. That probably had more to do with the purchase than anything. Damn, now when I start going to meets I'll get to wear a singlet for the BP and Deadlift. Hell yeah! Too bad I won't be able to fit into my old 189 class uniform...
 
Don't worry, it never crushes my nuts.

...and there's no biochemical reason that an ECA stack would help with the supression of HPTA.
 
spatts said:
LS, honestly, since you haven't been squatting at all, you are going to see great gains in speed and strength just from getting in the gym and doing it. Suit or not suit.

Personally, I would learn proper form WITHOUT the suit first.
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Re he he he he he he heeeeallly? Then I guess I'll go raw until either a) my video camera records perfect form, or b) my hips and groin begin to hurt really badly.

I'll just be using raw weight for a long time, also. I was planning on doing waves of 55, 58, 60% then repeat as per Dave Tate's recommendations for those who squat w/o chains or bands. What always messes me up is the constant percentage changes. In the squat secrets video, they weren't using chains or bands and their percentages were 70-82%. I know it is all about bar speed, but WTF? At least I got to see some proper technique courtesy of Chuck Vogelpohl.

'Night.


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...and there's no biochemical reason that an ECA stack would help with the supression of HPTA.
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I didn't mean that Ephedrine supresses the HPTA, nor does it cause any true testicle shrinkage, it just tightens the sack up and doesn't let them sway to and fro like they normally would. It is a temporary cold-shower kind of reaction where the testicles ascend up towards the body. I don't know if it happens to everyone, but with me, taking any ephedrine or yohimbe is like diving into a vat of icewater. It's THAT kind of shrinkage. I'm sure there is a technical name for it, but I have no clue what it is called. It...nevermind... enough on this subject.
 
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I was referring to its inability to counteract supression of HPTA. Like you said....nevermind. :lmao:

I wonder if it has someting to do with the diurectic effect. Any other guys notice this? If you are familiar with me from other forums then you know I'm asking in a purely objective way.
 
Don't worry, it never crushes my nuts.
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Oh the joys of womanhood. :D

I don't seem to have many problems with testicular constriction and now that I really think about it; I'm a little depressed. I think I need some time alone to myself. :bawling:
 
Latinus,

A few things. First of all, the nut thing is kind of exagerrated, I know I personally posted my experience with Groove Briefs and jokingly mentioned the whole Nut cracker thing. Its not that bad, I actually ordered a pair of Inzer HD Groove which according to the masses is not as good as teh Frantz briefs but they were a bit cheaper than Frantz. I may never compete due to injuries but still the added hip support in my opinion made my briefs worth their weigth in gold. You probably should have got briefs to start with. The bottom line is the Powerlifting gear is not silk undies, its not comfortable and its not supposed to be.

Now about Inzer and sizing your gear. I already know the scoop with Inzer and you have to seriously lie to them when giving measurements, I lied my ass off when I first ordered my Groove briefs, I told her my hips, thighs and waist size on the phone but I lied and gave her sizes that were 2 to 3 sizes larger than the real thing. The result was, my first pair of briefs were so tight I couldnt get them past my ankles with the help of people, even after I lied they were too tight. I called them up and they told me send them back and order a new size now, so I ordered 2 sizes bigger, the Inzer woman asked me "are you sure you dont want to go just 1 size up?" I said no 2 sizes, seh replied "btu those are for a 275 pound man, I said I would grow into them The next day I sent my briefs in the mail back to Inzer, a day later (yes 1 day later) my new ones arrived and fit liek they were custom for me, are they comfortable?, hell no, but I can get them on by myself and they do the job, Inzer sent them Over-night priority and picked up the shipping tab. Thats how reliable these people are, and I always do business with them and they never ever rush me on the phone, you probably called some lady with PMS (which is a rarity).
Point is, you have to lie, your suit may actually be perfect fit for what you want.

Like Irish said though, I probably would have gone with briefs first. Suit later.

Peace,.
Mike
 
See, Natural Mike, that is the thing:

There is so much conflicting info on how to size the gear that I just decided to make the call and go with gut instinct. I remember that someone posted on the board how their inzer briefs wouldn't fit even though they were ordered in a couple sizes large + they crushed their nuts, etc. and that is partially why I was hesitant to buy briefs, even though they are half the price.

So you have to order the briefs in 4 or 5 sizes larger than your actual measurements just to get them to work properly? Okay, does the same apply to suits or is it just briefs? Because I only went one size up on the suit-- if need be, like I said before, I will either exchange the suit for a different one, get a pair of briefs 4-5 sizes up, or try something else. Or, like spatts said, I may just train without them until my hips are beat up.

I don't expect the suit to be comfortable, I know it is supposed to support the hips, so I expect a certain level of pain/tightness. I just want one that is loose enough to get into/out of by myself, but not so loose that it doesn't help at all.

Thanks for the info on the briefs and the insight,

Peace
 
Your desire for a suit fitting is right on, you want something that provides support and is uncomfortable but not painful, I mean how effective will your training be if your so uncomfortabel your only goal is to get the friggin things off of you. Hey if the suit doesnt fit, Inzer always steps up, takes the responsibility and ships you a new one. I know how you feel, its an impatient waiting game that we all hate, wish there was a store in every town where you could go in and get powerlifting gear instead of waiting for it to be shipped.


We need Inzer Retail Stores !!!!

Good luck
 
I had the same problem with Inzer. Hannibal ordered them for me as a gift, and told them my quads were 28 inches, so they sent a 32, I believe. Well, I HAVE a 36 and 38 and can barely get the 38 on, if that tells you anything. The 32 was like trying to put on your tee shirt by stepping in through the neck hole!
 
Spatts, Hannibal, and The Project. Can I PM you all and discuss some training-related info as I don't want to post it publicly? Please let me know via PM or on this thread. Thanks.

BTW, Spatts, 28" quads are very impressive. But from here on out, you need to refer to them as "thighs". Just jerkin' your chain.

Peace, gotta go to class. I'll Be Back...
 
Just checked on my order status. They shipped my suit yesterday. YEEHAW! I was so exited I decided to place another order and get a full 4" non-tapered belt,(in maroon, to match my hair color-- yeah yeah, Im a homo). It was a LOT cheaper than I thought it would be, I only paid 58 bucks for it. However, I did only get the 10mm thickness, but I can always get a custom cardillo for competition. The lady on the phone was very nice and patient, unlike the woman I spoke yesterday--but that may have been due to the impatient woman wanting to get my order sent out ASAP. Good deal, man...good deal.

ONE question-- is the standard for PL belts 4"? For some reason I thought they were all 6". Thank you for all of you guys/gals that have helped me out with this, especially Irishpower, Grimmer, Spatts, and The Project. Your replies are great.

Have a good evening, folks.
 
latinus_spicticus said:
Spatts, Hannibal, and The Project. Can I PM you all and discuss some training-related info as I don't want to post it publicly? Please let me know via PM or on this thread. Thanks.
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Sorry I didn't reply to this earlier. It goes without saying though...if you need help just ask.
 
Also,

Inzer belts have a lifetime guarantee on them so feel free to toss them around the room, beat your girl with it, whatever floats your boat.


I was only kidding about the beat your girl thing...well..that is unless she's into that.


Later,

The Non-Sterodial One
 
Just got my champion in the mail today (size 38). I could barely manage to get it on. I tried doing some squattting in it and my back was rounding at the bottom (no tuck). Will it loosen up if I wear it and do some squats in it or do I need to go up to a 40? Keep in mind, I could not even get the straps up, no matter how hard I tried. Any advice?

update
I called in and decided to return/exchange the 38 blue for a size 40 black.

I am also getting groove breifs as soon as I can afford them.

Thanks for the help, everyone.
 
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Latinus,

I just ordered my double z from Inzer, you want to laugh, my measurements are bigger than yours, thigh, buttock etc. and they wanted to put me in a 37.

I told them to just hit me off with the 40 and lets save the wasted shipping.

I think the people at Inzer are great but they may be sado-masichists (*spelling) always trying to get people to squeeze into the gear which they cannot possibly wear.

Oh well.

Later,
The Bald Adonis
 
Well, I got my suit (size 40) yesterday, and my hamstrings and quads were fucking suffucated-- had about 1 and 1/2 inches of flesh hanging out all around once I got the thing on all the way, now the suit is loose in my arse and hips area, b/c my waist is only 32. Maybe I should've sent them my "UPPER" thigh measurements, I measured low-- like near the lower/bottom half of my thighs. If I measure where the bottom of the leg openings on my suit are when i get it all the way on, my legs measure about 27 inches there at the openings. So whatever. I am getting groove briefs or going to get a custom fit Titan once I start squatting over 650. I must refuse the urge to let myself blow up just to fit into gear made for fatasses, I get way too much poontang having low bodyfat. I will not go over 12 percent ever again in my life (until I get married, he he he) and I naturally hover around 8-10 anyway.
 
Have the Inzer suit altered.

Having it tight around the legs because of the z lock and not tight around the hips for support is worthless.

Don't write the suit off just yet, just have it altered, unless you got money like that..to burn and what not.


As far as this statement "I get way too much poontang having low bodyfat" .......at least your modest.

Later,
Mike
 
Thanks for the suggestions about the suit, I may look into it, but I think it costs around 30 bucks to have it altered, and a pair of groove briefs is about the same if you include shipping (I will take IrishPower's advice over anyone elses on this board when it comes to gear and most other things, he is one smart MF'er). But you have honestly helped me a lot, and I thank (and give a special gift) you for that. Sincerely.


As far as this statement "I get way too much poontang having low bodyfat" .......at least your modest.
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I was joking, you jerky ass bastard. (NOTE: SARCASM INTENDED)

I have already stated in this thread that I am willing to pack on the pounds in order to gain strength/fit properly into equipment.

If you were being sarcastic, I apologize for the above writing. Somteimes it is hard to recognize when put in writing if one is sincere or just messing around with you.

However, if you seriously have real problem with people saying things like I did in my last post, then you need to see a therapist.

The truth is-- looks don't matter much in life (except in extreme cases), and if you haven't figured that out yet then you have some mental/emotional issues.

Just an honest suggestion/opinion that is not meant to offend, although I am, by nature, quite offesive (quasi-sarcasm intended).

I just reread your post and I think you are calling yourself the Bald Adonis? Hmm...isn't Baldness a little contradictory to Grecian/Roman ideals of what an "Adonis" is? Hint: there arent' any statues/pictures/depictions of Adonis in which he has no hair. Just a little info for future reference, in case you accidentally refer to yourself as that again. On the other hand, you can re-word that phrase and make it work correctly. Something to think about...

Peace.
 
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Uhm...... are you OK?
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Am I OK? As in normal, psychosis/neurosis-free? No, never.

Am I OK as in functional? Yes.

Dude, I was simply stating my mind and I tend to ramble. yes, I have emotional problems, luckily they aren't violent, but if you can disect my dialect then there is some decent info in there (the "bald adonis part", to be specific.). Adonis was not bald, hence the phrase "bald adonis" is /boston accent on/ "retatted"/boston accent off/.


:p P.S. Don't take these things so seriously in life, and never take yourself seriously, there is not enough time to worry about this BS in life.

Love and peace and all that fuzzy little bunny shit,

L_S
 
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good point about the bald adonis.

and whoever gave me credit for good advice:

thanks, but please wait until you do well. if not, i NEVER said it. ;)


/irish
 
Latinus old friend,

Do not fear, as their is still much love and never a grudge.


And just to clarify:

Bald Adonis is my adorable little fuzzy oxymoron, you know like:

cruel kindness
laborious idleness
thunderous silence
bald adonis

Anyway enough rambling, I have single handed ruined this message board and I apologize to everyone.

Latinus, if you reside on the East Coast (preferably New York)
come on down tot eh Iron Island meet in Long Island on Saturday Dec. 7 and I'll buy the first round of brews to make amends.

God bless,

Mike
 
IrishPower said:
and whoever gave me credit for good advice:

thanks, but please wait until you do well. if not, i NEVER said it. ;)
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Now that is CLASSIC advice....:lmao:
 
natural-mike said:
Latinus old friend,

Do not fear, as their is still much love and never a grudge.


And just to clarify:

Bald Adonis is my adorable little fuzzy oxymoron, you know like:

cruel kindness
laborious idleness
thunderous silence
bald adonis

Anyway enough rambling, I have single handed ruined this message board and I apologize to everyone.

Latinus, if you reside on the East Coast (preferably New York)
come on down tot eh Iron Island meet in Long Island on Saturday Dec. 7 and I'll buy the first round of brews to make amends.

God bless,

Mike
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Oh, now, don't be so hard on yourself. I played an equal part in the destruction of this thread. Anyway, I live in Kansas-- Lawrence, Ks. I go to the University of Kansas. I will probably never go to new york, unfortunately, at least not until after I graduate.

Just to let you know, I had a rough last three weeks b/c my left pec decided to tear in half and I was worried about surgery, etc., but when I finally was able to get the proper MRIs and see the right docs-- they gave me good news, that the tendon isn't damaged and it is a minor tear. So I am a maniac right now due to the good news. Just explaining my bizzare behavior.

BTW, I was just giving you some shit about the "bald adonis" thing.

Peace.
 
Latinus,

Must send you a special thanks for saving me time and wasted shipping money.

As I mentioned earlier in this post I ordered an Inzer double Z suit, thanks to yoru post about size and the fact my measurements were a bit more than yours I went with the size 40 even though the women on the on the phone insisted on a 37.

I got the suit yesterday and it fits like a fucking glove, just a bit loose in the belly region as I think a size 40 would better suit someone with a larger stomach.

BUt other wise it felt as ifit were tailor made.

Thanks,
Mike
 
MikeB,

Yeah, sizing sucks when it comes to squat suits. I originally though about getting a 36 or MAYBE a 38. Nope, the 40 is snug-- a good fit after a couple of wearings. The thing about me, I think, is that my measurements are geared towards BB moreso than PL. Your's are probably, as well. So the tapered/slim waist/narrow ass guys have to really dial it it WRT size, IMO. But Inzer did me good and issued me a refund on the one I returned. Good company. Once I get my pec tear healed, I am going to buy the basic blast shirt just for protection.

Glad it turned out well.

Peace.
 
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