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Just how surpressive is nandrolone?

Ozzie87

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with my 2nd cycle coming to an end, my thoughts have wandered to what my next cycle will consist of in a few months. i'll give you a cycle history and basic stats first.

1st cycle - dbol 20-30mg/day 6 weeks

2nd cycle - test 500mg, dbol 25mg kickstart and beastdrol to finish

i'm ~200lbs 5'10 and will be around the 10% bf mark by the end of this cycle.

decca frankly worries me, i dont want to get shut down hard as i'm young and dont want to become an HRT'er any time soon. so from personal experiences just how bad is decca? and also how good is it in terms of anabolism etc. also sides. at the end of the day i can read all the bloody steroid profiles i want, but none of those are anywhere near as valuable as personal experiences. i know everyone is different, from my steroid experience so far i can say my recovery is very good, dbol barely touched my balls, 16 weeks of test has done very little to my boys also, and i'm confident that i'm gonna recover very well form this cycle.

all opinions are very welcome!
 
Ozzie87 said:
with my 2nd cycle coming to an end, my thoughts have wandered to what my next cycle will consist of in a few months. i'll give you a cycle history and basic stats first.

1st cycle - dbol 20-30mg/day 6 weeks

2nd cycle - test 500mg, dbol 25mg kickstart and beastdrol to finish

i'm ~200lbs 5'10 and will be around the 10% bf mark by the end of this cycle.

decca frankly worries me, i dont want to get shut down hard as i'm young and dont want to become an HRT'er any time soon. so from personal experiences just how bad is decca? and also how good is it in terms of anabolism etc. also sides. at the end of the day i can read all the bloody steroid profiles i want, but none of those are anywhere near as valuable as personal experiences. i know everyone is different, from my steroid experience so far i can say my recovery is very good, dbol barely touched my balls, 16 weeks of test has done very little to my boys also, and i'm confident that i'm gonna recover very well form this cycle.

all opinions are very welcome!
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Sorry to go off-topic Ozzie....just wondering what your PCT is looking like for that Test cycle ?:)
 
i used deca at 200mg per week along with test for my first cycle -my nuts went like maltesers and i crashed big time - i followed pct protocol as reccomended was ok for a month or so after hcg etc but then the crash of feeling rubbish and lost a lot of gains- my training buddy uses deca alone and has no deca dick or shrinkage - we all different i suppose but i wont use it again- will use eq or primo with my test
 
any nandrolone is going to be as suppressive as deca. however the young bucks handle it better than us old vets, it shut me down for over a yr nothing made me recover,I did it all Dostinex,clomid,nova,Cialis,viagra etc
so supression is different for everyone .
If you want to stay away from nandrolones run some Test Cyp and Masterdon
RADAR
 
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500mg Test, 250-300mg Deca, an oral if you want. There's no point in bumping dosages every cycle just because. You should stay where you are as long as progress is reasonable but if progress isn't reasonable you shouldn't assume it's because of the drugs. I'm on my 15th or so but only my second over 1g total.
 
Ozzie87 said:
Thanks for everyones input so far :)

RADAR i remember talking to you about your tren shutdown actually...... scary.....

supra :)

my PCT is-

HCG 500 iu's/day for 10 days after last inject.
Nolvadex 40mg 1-2
Nolvadex 20mg 3-4
HCGenerate 5caps/day for full 30 days :)
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Thanks Oz :beer: !
 
hey bro,from memory was your last cycle 500 omnadren a week if so thats a big jump up to 750mg i did 250 for my first and just started 300mg every 4 days (works out around 400 a week) and i can feel the improvement , im no expert just my opinion, also with the masteron thats over a gram a week i dont plan on using that much for a few cycles yet ,maybe leave the masteron out until last few weeks maybe use proviron at first to keep water off, like i said no expert but just my bit of input
 
Dial_tone said:
500mg Test, 250-300mg Deca, an oral if you want. There's no point in bumping dosages every cycle just because. You should stay where you are as long as progress is reasonable but if progress isn't reasonable you shouldn't assume it's because of the drugs. I'm on my 15th or so but only my second over 1g total.
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i been pestering a lot of the big guys at my gym about this and they all say exactly the same as you , the materials are the food,training and rest- the gear is just the catalyst i dont aim to go above a gram for a few cycles yet - as my mentor dorian said - its a marathon not a sprint ,
if i were you oz i would do the 500 test and save the masteron for last couple of weeks even if you do put it up to a gram your cycle still wont be as productive as your first
 
Ozzie87 said:
with my 2nd cycle coming to an end, my thoughts have wandered to what my next cycle will consist of in a few months. i'll give you a cycle history and basic stats first.

1st cycle - dbol 20-30mg/day 6 weeks

2nd cycle - test 500mg, dbol 25mg kickstart and beastdrol to finish

i'm ~200lbs 5'10 and will be around the 10% bf mark by the end of this cycle.

decca frankly worries me, i dont want to get shut down hard as i'm young and dont want to become an HRT'er any time soon. so from personal experiences just how bad is decca? and also how good is it in terms of anabolism etc. also sides. at the end of the day i can read all the bloody steroid profiles i want, but none of those are anywhere near as valuable as personal experiences. i know everyone is different, from my steroid experience so far i can say my recovery is very good, dbol barely touched my balls, 16 weeks of test has done very little to my boys also, and i'm confident that i'm gonna recover very well form this cycle.

all opinions are very welcome!
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You take testosterone and Dianabol, and you are afraid of Deca? Excuse me, but this is just hilarious! Both testosterone and Dianabol will suppress your endogenous (natural) testosterone very brutally, when taken in high doses, and especially when taken during long periods of time. The only difference is that exogenous (i.e. injected) testosterone will substitute your zero production of endogenous testosterone during the cycle. But at the end of the cycle, the effect will be the same. You will have the same problems with recovery.
 
Ozzie87 said:
you do not need to explain to me that test and dbol are surpressive lol or what exogenous means!

you must not be aware that nandrolones and trenbolones are MUCH MUCH more suppressive than plain old test and DHT's. this would be a perfect opportunity for you to do some research.
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At the doses people use, it really makes no difference. :cool:
 
Read the drug profiles people link to. I've been at it 25 years and I still read them again.
 
EliteFitnessGuy said:
You take testosterone and Dianabol, and you are afraid of Deca? Excuse me, but this is just hilarious! Both testosterone and Dianabol will suppress your endogenous (natural) testosterone very brutally, when taken in high doses, and especially when taken during long periods of time. The only difference is that exogenous (i.e. injected) testosterone will substitute your zero production of endogenous testosterone during the cycle. But at the end of the cycle, the effect will be the same. You will have the same problems with recovery.
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i disagree , test clears your system quicker than deca (fact) and as soon as the negative feedback loop detects lowering test levels it will start to respond , and as another guy used anthony roberts explanation - research proves 100mg deca kills test 100% for a month far longer than it will take from a shot of test , also its the prolactin related sides that make recovery difficult and so many people forget its almost completely different to test when it comes to controlling them i think oz you should try it at maybe 200-300 mg a week and see - like i said my buddy does upto 600mg a week with no test and has zero sides or recovery issues if you are worried still maybe consider eq -apparently its effects are similar and it suits your prefered long cycles
 
thought i would drop in on this im about to give deca a go very soon. i think someone of your age should not have much of issue recovering from a cycle with deca but at the end of the day everyone is different an there is only one way to find out . my last cycle was a test p an tren ace an i must say i recovered very nicely from that one so im going to give it a crack
 
sparkant said:
i disagree , test clears your system quicker than deca (fact) and as soon as the negative feedback loop detects lowering test levels it will start to respond , and as another guy used anthony roberts explanation - research proves 100mg deca kills test 100% for a month far longer than it will take from a shot of test , also its the prolactin related sides that make recovery difficult and so many people forget its almost completely different to test when it comes to controlling them i think oz you should try it at maybe 200-300 mg a week and see - like i said my buddy does upto 600mg a week with no test and has zero sides or recovery issues if you are worried still maybe consider eq -apparently its effects are similar and it suits your prefered long cycles
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There exists a frequently quoted study from 1975 showing that after 12 weeks on 250 mg testosterone enanthate/week, it takes at least 13 weeks for your endogenous testosterone to recuperate (and those 4 ng/ml - actually 400 ng/dl - are still below the usual male average 550 ng/dl!). And 5 weeks after exogenous testosterone leaves the system (5th-10th week), your testes are so atrophied that they don't produce any testosterone at all, despite rising LH levels.

LINK

So it is rather the length of the cycle that matters. Nandrolone decaonate really suppresses your testosterone for one month, even when taken only once, but it is because it works in the body for one month (so does testosterone enanthate). Phenylpropionate is quicker and stops working after mere 14 days.

http://www./Deca.php

All nor-derivatives like nandrolone or trenbolone are known for their dramatic effect on testosterone suppression, but I think that at the doses most "advanced" people use, it makes little difference if you use nandrolone or testosterone. You will struggle to keep your gains anyway. By the way, I experience virtually 100% suppression even on "light" steroids like Winstrol or Anavar, if I take them in high doses for 8 weeks. Hence I ceased to be a fan of long cycles and I will limit the length of my cycles to 6 weeks maximally, irrespectively of the stuff.
 
EliteFitnessGuy said:
There exists a frequently quoted study from 1975 showing that after 12 weeks on 250 mg testosterone enanthate/week, it takes at least 13 weeks for your endogenous testosterone to recuperate (and those 4 ng/ml - actually 400 ng/dl - are still below the usual male average 550 ng/dl!). And 5 weeks after exogenous testosterone leaves the system (5th-10th week), your testes are so atrophied that they don't produce any testosterone at all, despite rising LH levels.

LINK

So it is rather the length of the cycle that matters. Nandrolone decaonate really suppresses your testosterone for one month, even when taken only once, but it is because it works in the body for one month (so does testosterone enanthate). Phenylpropionate is quicker and stops working after mere 14 days.

http://www./Deca.php

All nor-derivatives like nandrolone or trenbolone are known for their dramatic effect on testosterone suppression, but I think that at the doses most "advanced" people use, it makes little difference if you use nandrolone or testosterone. You will struggle to keep your gains anyway. By the way, I experience virtually 100% suppression even on "light" steroids like Winstrol or Anavar, if I take them in high doses for 8 weeks. Hence I ceased to be a fan of long cycles and I will limit the length of my cycles to 6 weeks maximally, irrespectively of the stuff.
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in that study what pct protocol did they use ,and how much hcg on cycle did they utilize - i bet the answer is zero if they did i bet those times could be reduced by a third - i might start a poll on what people recovered from easier -test or nandrolone but i know what the answer will be - the major problem with nandralones is the increased prolactin levels and most people struggle with this - im sure there is a study somewhere showing that deca dick is caused by high prolactin and low test levels
 
OMEGA said:
hmmmm,

your getting alot of good help here from Vets

I will post my thoughts later :)
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After hearing some of ur thoughts ive added in a small dose of deca 250mg a week i might lower it to 100 but since then i feel like all my ligiments an joints are brand new :)
at first i was running jus test an masteron, things were going great but the joint pain got worse n worse untill o couldnt even work out anymore, thats jus my experience comming from a 38yo
 
zack!!! said:
thought i would drop in on this im about to give deca a go very soon. i think someone of your age should not have much of issue recovering from a cycle with deca but at the end of the day everyone is different an there is only one way to find out . my last cycle was a test p an tren ace an i must say i recovered very nicely from that one so im going to give it a crack
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i have deca alone in the past, one of my first cyc's. but never will i do it without at least test and some prov or winny. lessons learned from the green hulk needto.

that just be my two thenths:)
 
gstacker said:
After hearing some of ur thoughts ive added in a small dose of deca 250mg a week i might lower it to 100 but since then i feel like all my ligiments an joints are brand new :)
at first i was running jus test an masteron, things were going great but the joint pain got worse n worse untill o couldnt even work out anymore, thats jus my experience comming from a 38yo
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Amazing is it not?

Thats why I LOL when people say Deca is Useless,

YES 100 mgs every week is enough after a 2 week 250 "front load"

if you get dry on 100, just go up to 150
 
EliteFitnessGuy said:
Based on feelings or lab tests?
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i would like to say lab tests but so many people dont get blood work done, but i would still bet test is easier even if done by lab tests - dont forget normal prolactin levels are needed to indicate recovery -not just test/free test etc
 
OMEGA said:
Amazing is it not?

Thats why I LOL when people say Deca is Useless,

YES 100 mgs every week is enough after a 2 week 250 "front load"

if you get dry on 100, just go up to 150
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im might be doing deca with my next cycle, minimun effective dose. does 100 a week really work? stacking with test e
 
OMEGA said:
Amazing is it not?

Thats why I LOL when people say Deca is Useless,

YES 100 mgs every week is enough after a 2 week 250 "front load"

if you get dry on 100, just go up to 150
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Yes it is ive bulked with it in the past and it packs the beef on no dubt, but using a small dose a week is a nice compliment to what im doing n thank u for it ;)
 
gstacker said:
Yes it is ive bulked with it in the past and it packs the beef on no dubt, but using a small dose a week is a nice compliment to what im doing n thank u for it ;)
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thanks for supporting with feedback

Deca has a role in health ( Bone and Tendon health) and its a good thing its not ignored
 
metalfujimi said:
im might be doing deca with my next cycle, minimun effective dose. does 100 a week really work? stacking with test e
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YES after a 2 week 'front load' of 200 mgs a week yes.

that first 2 weeks will get blood values up fast.

PS NPP is a waste of $$$ compared to normal Deca
 
Maybe one of the vets can post up a pct for deca as i would love to give it another go but i dont think normal pct will cut it for everybody
 
RADAR said:
any nandrolone is going to be as suppressive as deca. however the young bucks handle it better than us old vets, it shut me down for over a yr nothing made me recover,I did it all Dostinex,clomid,nova,Cialis,viagra etc
so supression is different for everyone .
If you want to stay away from nandrolones run some Test Cyp and Masterdon
RADAR
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Nandrolone shut me down in every way you can think of. It took a month or two for me to have any libido at all. Not good.

Charles
 
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