Just A Reminder

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

Nelson- Were any of these Doctors Anthropologists? How would they know WTF humans did at the dawn of time?

How about people that use their fitness for something other than pure recreation... like Police Officers? When I have to chase some fucker over fences, through back-yards, down alleys... then scrap with him to get him hancuffed... it takes explosive power AND aerobic fitness. A few years back, I got mobbed while I was ground-fighting with an arrest at a nightclub... had to fight my way out of that place. In all... the whole incident took about 5 minutes to transpire. How long would I have lasted on anaerobic power alone?

 

[Dr. M]

I'm of the school of thought that says that a workout properly super-setted can be more effective than cardio.

Good call, Nelson.

-M

 

[babbabuee]

call me crazy, but I found Nelson's logic to make sense. I'm not saying that cardio exercise is totally useless, but he's right, what other animal runs for extended periods of time? Plus, if anyone in here has run a marathon, you can't tell me you weren't beat to hell from it. and that's only 4hours, 3 if your from Kenya. The day I bought my first hear rate monitor and saw that I was hitting 160's during certain exercises in the gym, (which happens to be about the same as when I'm riding my mountain bike up hill for a half mile) is the day I believed that you can get a decent cardio training from weight lifting. And all these people that are talking about the calorie burning effectiveness of jogging: Stop eating so many calories and fat. Check out the people on "Survivor (CBS)" those people get skinny in 30 days and they don't exercise everyday.

 

[Mojo]

I run four miles a week, and wihout you running i'd damn sure like to see who the bear catches first! Your wind would give out a lot sooner than mine, and the bear can eat you while I make a clean get a way!!!! LOL Nelson. I'll keep running. Based on some of your opinions, I value what I read. I just don't agree with this one!

 

[bigsonrising]

How about people that use their fitness for something other than pure recreation... like Police Officers? When I have to chase some fucker over fences, through back-yards, down alleys... then scrap with him to get him hancuffed... it takes explosive power AND aerobic fitness. A few years back, I got mobbed while I was ground-fighting with an arrest at a nightclub... had to fight my way out of that place. In all... the whole incident took about 5 minutes to transpire. How long would I have lasted on anaerobic power alone?

I bet this guy gets his gear REAL cheap!! lol

 

[mt]

I can see why jogging would be bad because of the constant pounding but what about stair masters and stationary bikes? Are these somewhat akin to walking in that they are low intensity and little stress on the joints. I bring this up because as much as I like to walk sometimes it's not convenient (weather, environment (live in the city with lots of cars), etc.)

 

[mt]

people jog and go to aerobics all the time without joint problems. Adam and Eve might not have done aerobics but it is healthy and you do burn calories more than walking. Man was not meant to jog? maybe, but our bodies are very adaptable - i think the only people that get joint problems are either unhealthy in the first place or marathon runners

The only people I've seen who has been able to continue jogging for 20+ years rarely weighed more than 145 lbs. I think when you start to get up to 180 lbs+ the constant pounding begins to takes it toll on the knees. I'm sure there are exceptions and I'm just giving you my very biased opinion. BTW, I use to love jogging. It had a very exhilarating "zen-like" feeling to it but, alas, my knees started to give me problems.

I would think that for a sport like boxing that jogging could be beneficial. Jogging mixed with sprints seems to mimic a lot the physical exertion a boxer endures (without someone hitting you).

 

[twistedneck]

jogging sucks

I have only injured myself jogging, and I've never felt good from it.. However I have done a ton of mountain biking and not got injured.. But my sex drive gets trashed.

This reminds me of the studies of early man and his diet. Also reminds me of "The Warrior Diet" by Ori Hoffmekler. Save our bodies.

How does this relate to the total calories = life expectancy theory? We only have a finite amount of calories to process during our lifetimes and minimizing food intake is good for us.

Great Posts.. TW

 

[majutsu]

Not the point of this thread, but on the vegetarian thing. . . eating meat may be natural, but then again, so maybe is rape, but I'm not planning one this week. There are many parts of the world where religiously and culturally meat-eating is prohibited, so the question is, "Can you build a great physique if you are vegetarian?" From Bill Pearl, to great competitors throughout India and Pakistan, many in the Mr. Asia title, etc. have built competitive level physiques without meat. Even in older age, there is the likes of Steve Holt. If you have all the protein, and all branched chain amino acids, there is no obstacle, it's just a little trickier, that's all. In some ways, vegetarians make great bodybuilders because they're already used to dissecting and controlling their diets fully.

 

[Mavy]

Interesting read Nelson. Some good points You have to remember that not all man evolved the same way. Sure you are talking about hunter-gatherer societies (men hunt, women gather). They are meant to conserve energy and release it short bursts like you mention to kill. Their bodies are also designed to hold on to access fat much longer than other societies for times when food is scarce and times are tough. You will see no ectomorphs in this society.

However early asian communities were the first to live in an agrarian society (farm and produce), they also fished a lot and ate from the sea. This type of lifestyle does not require the "killing" energy that the H-Gs needed. Africans were designed to run. The also do not need the extra fat storage. Different diets and different geographic locations influenced the way our bodies were designed and the foods we can tolerate. Did you know that Inuits (eskimos) have less blood circulation in there hands than non-Inuits? This is a fact where they have adapted, geographically. I do agree though ... there are not many cultures where people jogged!