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Juicers, seriously:
Beginners or advanced juicers, do you REALLY know what you're doing to yourself when using anabolic steroids on your own w/out doctor's script? Are you 100% relying on a forum to answer ALL your questions or do you have another source of information besides the internet in general? Are you all aware that your size will go away, and then strength will go away eventually and its one big spinning wheel out of control IF and when you discontinue use forever? Something to consider, if you area denying that, im sorry. Are any of you planning on having kids? How guilty will you feel if you find out you've been unable to RECOVER from your next cycle and you can't have a family of your own blood? Are you going to advise your kids to juice at "the appropriate age" or will they gets none? How many of you put top priority on your health while ON and what about things you "can't see with your eyes" like heart/cholest? Do you get regular tests showing your body has recouperated from the previous cycle(s)? How many of you are juicing out of control and find that you are addicted to juice and that if you stop your world will be over? How many of you have handfulls of friends and family member begging you to quit? Or are you totally saying to yourself, "I've seen the HBO special on juicers, where are the bodies so I can juice away till they find the bodies?"How many of you have said, ok this one cycle only and then had it turn into a two+ year cycle on and off story? I have. Hate to see anyone or especially newbees get started in here and find themselves in too deep of a hole. All I'm saying is that I HOPE all of you are taking care of yourself 100% and putting you first. Take care.


AG GUYS
 
What I took away from that is proceed with caution. Its a lifestyle brother, you are either willing to live it or not. If you are a casual lifter trying to gain 30lbs muscle and lose 10lbs fat before spring break then forget it.

As far as the gains disapearing: just be content with your genetic limit. Once you hit it only the perpetual cycle will keep you past it.
 
DBBT said:
Juicers, seriously:
Beginners or advanced juicers, do you REALLY know what you're doing to yourself when using anabolic steroids on your own w/out doctor's script? Are you 100% relying on a forum to answer ALL your questions or do you have another source of information besides the internet in general? Are you all aware that your size will go away, and then strength will go away eventually and its one big spinning wheel out of control IF and when you discontinue use forever? Something to consider, if you area denying that, im sorry. Are any of you planning on having kids? How guilty will you feel if you find out you've been unable to RECOVER from your next cycle and you can't have a family of your own blood? Are you going to advise your kids to juice at "the appropriate age" or will they gets none? How many of you put top priority on your health while ON and what about things you "can't see with your eyes" like heart/cholest? Do you get regular tests showing your body has recouperated from the previous cycle(s)? How many of you are juicing out of control and find that you are addicted to juice and that if you stop your world will be over? How many of you have handfulls of friends and family member begging you to quit? Or are you totally saying to yourself, "I've seen the HBO special on juicers, where are the bodies so I can juice away till they find the bodies?"How many of you have said, ok this one cycle only and then had it turn into a two+ year cycle on and off story? I have. Hate to see anyone or especially newbees get started in here and find themselves in too deep of a hole. All I'm saying is that I HOPE all of you are taking care of yourself 100% and putting you first. Take care.


AG GUYS
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You sound like comeone that is PMS'ing from PCT.

BTW - you CAN have kids while ON gear.

I love it - pushing my body to the limits, and I love my fiance and family - I have always been able to find the "balance" in life.

Also - you don't lose all your muscle from cycles and start from ground zero each time.

GET BACK ON THE JUICE BRO
 
newbiebynature said:
im not talking about the banner...does no one else see that small print?
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OH my god. He is on the pay roll. After all of that all you have to say is why it says AG Guys in small print as his signature?

There are a lot of generalizations in your argument, but you do make some valid attempts to bring about an awareness of the potential side effects that come with ones use. I do have to say that having children is my number one priority in the future, and I worry about what effect AAS will have on it, but I can't find any literature that substantiates that one will not be able to recover, that all effects on, to put it delicately, your junk, will be reversible with a proper PCT regiment. As for your size, your body can only hold its genetic potential and your size will diminish. It comes with the territory.

Yes, steroids can be bad for those who abuse them. But lets not forget the individual suffering from aids waisting effects who is able to keep on solid weight with the use of AAS, many of whom turn to the black market as they are already paying out of their ass for their medication. Or even the kid that hits the emergency room for medication for an allergic reaction. What do they give him? AAS.

Its just my 2 cents, but people will be willing to take those risks, and yes, sometimes this community is the only resource that we have to base any of our education on. My doctor knows nill about steroids, so should I tell him and ask for him to advise me on what to take? I've seen many guys prescribed AAS by their doctor that never shouldn't have been prescribed. No one has done a study on the long term side effects of steroids, well, I haven't found any studies. Steroids are hush hush in the medical community, and yes, I'd rather receive advice from a community of people from all over the world whose age ranges from 18-60+ who have more experience with AAS than any doctor, study or book could advise me on.
 
How about this one too...
How many of you were scared off your ass most of your life when steroids were brought up to you, or if they were offered. THEN, one day you get the balls to do it. And then DOING it is "the best thing ever." Then you hit a point where you're asking yourself, why the hell did I ever start this? Wish I hadn't, pointless? Anyone? Maybe 1% of the posters here compete so that's their reason for saucing. But explain to me how those of you who don't compete and use can KNOW for SURE that you are doing EVERYTHING you can do to prevent permanent side effects from use?
 
i am what i am said:
OH my god. He is on the pay roll. After all of that all you have to say is why it says AG Guys in small print as his signature?

There are a lot of generalizations in your argument, but you do make some valid attempts to bring about an awareness of the potential side effects that come with ones use. I do have to say that having children is my number one priority in the future, and I worry about what effect AAS will have on it, but I can't find any literature that substantiates that one will not be able to recover, that all effects on, to put it delicately, your junk, will be reversible with a proper PCT regiment. As for your size, your body can only hold its genetic potential and your size will diminish. It comes with the territory.

Yes, steroids can be bad for those who abuse them. But lets not forget the individual suffering from aids waisting effects who is able to keep on solid weight with the use of AAS, many of whom turn to the black market as they are already paying out of their ass for their medication. Or even the kid that hits the emergency room for medication for an allergic reaction. What do they give him? AAS.

Its just my 2 cents, but people will be willing to take those risks, and yes, sometimes this community is the only resource that we have to base any of our education on. My doctor knows nill about steroids, so should I tell him and ask for him to advise me on what to take? I've seen many guys prescribed AAS by their doctor that never shouldn't have been prescribed. No one has done a study on the long term side effects of steroids, well, I haven't found any studies. Steroids are hush hush in the medical community, and yes, I'd rather receive advice from a community of people from all over the world whose age ranges from 18-60+ who have more experience with AAS than any doctor, study or book could advise me on.
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Im absolutely NOT saying that there is NO place for AAS in everyone's life. Yes, people with aids and people with SERIOUS life problems are given steroids...no one here takes steroids from a burn they got last week tho, lol.
Anyway, when ON you do feel like youre the shit, nothing can stop you. You want to keep on pushing yourself...no matter what. I'll bet at the peak of a cycle EVEN if you knew your cholest was high or your bp was high but you were getting the best gains and most size ever many people would continue because "nothing bad has ever happened to people as a result of AAS because I can't find any literature on it." Cmon, I believed that once, that if i can't find anything in writing, I'm not going to quit using.
 
DBBT said:
How about this one too...
How many of you were scared off your ass most of your life when steroids were brought up to you, or if they were offered. THEN, one day you get the balls to do it. And then DOING it is "the best thing ever." Then you hit a point where you're asking yourself, why the hell did I ever start this? Wish I hadn't, pointless? Anyone? Maybe 1% of the posters here compete so that's their reason for saucing. But explain to me how those of you who don't compete and use can KNOW for SURE that you are doing EVERYTHING you can do to prevent permanent side effects from use?
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For a guy trying to bash, whether indirect or direct, the members, you do spend a great deal of time in the AAS forum. The only reason anyone is scared of steroids is because of the hype the government, the schools, your parents, and the media put forth. The spew lies and more lies, and instead of educating people on how to take it properly, they tell you its bad and thats that. Theres to much money to be made by the government by keeping steroids illegal with drug busts and stings and such, but many countries allow for their use. How does anyone know, especially professional bodybuilders, that they are doing everything to prevent possible side effects. Am I killing my liver more than the average 21 year old college student binge drinking 3-4 nights a week? Am I destroying my cardiovascular health more than the guy next to me smoking 1 pack a day of cigarettes? Am I hurting myself more than the fat slob eating McDonalds 2-3 times a week?

Show me a study about the long term side effects that you have based your arguments on, and I will humbly back down. Until then, I'm going to keep on using it the way I feel is safe.
 
DBBT said:
Im absolutely NOT saying that there is NO place for AAS in everyone's life. Yes, people with aids and people with SERIOUS life problems are given steroids...no one here takes steroids from a burn they got last week tho, lol.
Anyway, when ON you do feel like youre the shit, nothing can stop you. You want to keep on pushing yourself...no matter what. I'll bet at the peak of a cycle EVEN if you knew your cholest was high or your bp was high but you were getting the best gains and most size ever many people would continue because "nothing bad has ever happened to people as a result of AAS because I can't find any literature on it." Cmon, I believed that once, that if i can't find anything in writing, I'm not going to quit using.
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For one, yes you do feel great and you feel like your the shit and yes, you can push yourself to limits that you could not achieve naturally. I bet you the guys that drink at a bar everyday know that they are killing their kidneys and liver, yet you will find them there everyday still drinking? How do I know, because I've worked at a bar for two years. With all the bad hype the media spins about smoking, shouldn't everyone be against it. What use does it serve? What about fast food? You ever eat Burger King, McDonalds, or Wendy's? You ever consider the effect it will have on your cholesterol or your heart before you bite into that big mac?

Why are you trying to stir crap up? If you don't want to use them then thats great. No one cares. No one will make fun of you or ban you from the site. But don't try to intimidate or make someone feel insecure because they want to use steroids for whatever personal reason they choose to do so. Your arguments are weak with no evidence to back them up.
 
DBBT said:
How about this one too...
How many of you were scared off your ass most of your life when steroids were brought up to you, or if they were offered. THEN, one day you get the balls to do it. And then DOING it is "the best thing ever." Then you hit a point where you're asking yourself, why the hell did I ever start this? Wish I hadn't, pointless? Anyone? Maybe 1% of the posters here compete so that's their reason for saucing. But explain to me how those of you who don't compete and use can KNOW for SURE that you are doing EVERYTHING you can do to prevent permanent side effects from use?
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do you like fast-food?
 
yo there is no reason to be a dick i am, dbbt is simply warning people that if they are gonna use aas to do it responsibly and make sure they go to the doctor to make sure they do recover and don't have permanent damage. i for one had a wake up call after my last cycle and ive been having some trouble recovering. truth be told 90 percent of the people on here juice 3 times a year and never even get blood work done. there are people that run a few cycles and then are forced to go on hrt, i think dbbt is trying to save you from this. juice is great for many things and lots of fun no doubt i got sucked in hardcore but you have to know that you could be harming your body and if your not then cool more power to you, but if your not gonna get bloodwork done and take huge stacks your a dumbass imo.
 
Didn't you have your pic up on here before DBBT?

No offense, but if you did use then I totally understand what you are saying as it looked like you didn't get much out of it.

Just my $0.02
 
i am what i am said:
For a guy trying to bash, whether indirect or direct, the members, you do spend a great deal of time in the AAS forum. The only reason anyone is scared of steroids is because of the hype the government, the schools, your parents, and the media put forth. The spew lies and more lies, and instead of educating people on how to take it properly, they tell you its bad and thats that. Theres to much money to be made by the government by keeping steroids illegal with drug busts and stings and such, but many countries allow for their use. How does anyone know, especially professional bodybuilders, that they are doing everything to prevent possible side effects. Am I killing my liver more than the average 21 year old college student binge drinking 3-4 nights a week? Am I destroying my cardiovascular health more than the guy next to me smoking 1 pack a day of cigarettes? Am I hurting myself more than the fat slob eating McDonalds 2-3 times a week?

Show me a study about the long term side effects that you have based your arguments on, and I will humbly back down. Until then, I'm going to keep on using it the way I feel is safe.
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Well said
 
wtf is with all the flaming. its real easy to have your point of view, but when you have no energy, sex drive, and can't fuck cause you did a few cycles carelessly maybe you'll wish you had listened. As i said i have no problem with gear and may do some light cycles again later on when my body is back to NORMAL. oh yea and post your pics bro, dbbt was a solid 250 throwin up a lot of weight in no way was he half assing
 
his argument is skewed for many reasons but basically AAS is like any drug or chemical that can and will be abused.
 
i am what i am said:
For one, yes you do feel great and you feel like your the shit and yes, you can push yourself to limits that you could not achieve naturally. I bet you the guys that drink at a bar everyday know that they are killing their kidneys and liver, yet you will find them there everyday still drinking? How do I know, because I've worked at a bar for two years. With all the bad hype the media spins about smoking, shouldn't everyone be against it. What use does it serve? What about fast food? You ever eat Burger King, McDonalds, or Wendy's? You ever consider the effect it will have on your cholesterol or your heart before you bite into that big mac?

Why are you trying to stir crap up? If you don't want to use them then thats great. No one cares. No one will make fun of you or ban you from the site. But don't try to intimidate or make someone feel insecure because they want to use steroids for whatever personal reason they choose to do so. Your arguments are weak with no evidence to back them up.
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i am what iam is right on target...thanks for the warnings DBBT...but you sound like an ex smoker or alcoholic trying to convince someone what they are doing is wrong...most everyone is a big boy or girl on this forum and free to make ther own choices...

sorry if you had a bad experience...but again it is something we should all know the risks of before doing...

just like knowing getting in my car i could be hit by a semi and killed...yet i still do it...

at 41 it is one of the pleasures i enjoy in life...feeling and looking great... :chomp:

they'll have to pry the needle from my cold dead hand...
 
i am what i am said:
For one, yes you do feel great and you feel like your the shit and yes, you can push yourself to limits that you could not achieve naturally. I bet you the guys that drink at a bar everyday know that they are killing their kidneys and liver, yet you will find them there everyday still drinking? How do I know, because I've worked at a bar for two years. With all the bad hype the media spins about smoking, shouldn't everyone be against it. What use does it serve? What about fast food? You ever eat Burger King, McDonalds, or Wendy's? You ever consider the effect it will have on your cholesterol or your heart before you bite into that big mac?

Why are you trying to stir crap up? If you don't want to use them then thats great. No one cares. No one will make fun of you or ban you from the site. But don't try to intimidate or make someone feel insecure because they want to use steroids for whatever personal reason they choose to do so. Your arguments are weak with no evidence to back them up.
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First, if what I say in this thread convinces one guy to NOT start using or one guy that is to stop, then I'm happy. I didn't start this thread to make anyone pissed at me or to get attention.

Second, I'm sorry you didn't go to school and have to work at a bar. Ouch, second hand smoke :worried: --i dont drink or smoke :)

Now, It's evident that I've struck a nerve with AT LEAST one member here, i am what i am, so this is good. Of course smoking and drinking and eating high fat high sodium high cholesterol foods are similarly taxing your system in a way that AAS do. Do you REALLY know how any dose of AAS compares to a hamburger and fries when considering your health? No you don't, and neither do I. So why would inject or swallow one and/or eat either?

Really sorry I don't have the literature to convince you to stop :rolleyes:--I love it when people say that. You're probably the person who showed your family the HBO special to your whole family and said, "see guys, no one has died or gotten sick from steroids so its all good baby baybay!" I can say whatever I want on this board if it related to AAS. So suck it.

I am not taking steroids, nor do I ever plan to touch them again.

How come no one's answering the questions in my first couple posts, but just coming up with their own stuff?
 
bruce410 said:
yo there is no reason to be a dick i am, dbbt is simply warning people that if they are gonna use aas to do it responsibly and make sure they go to the doctor to make sure they do recover and don't have permanent damage. i for one had a wake up call after my last cycle and ive been having some trouble recovering. truth be told 90 percent of the people on here juice 3 times a year and never even get blood work done. there are people that run a few cycles and then are forced to go on hrt, i think dbbt is trying to save you from this. juice is great for many things and lots of fun no doubt i got sucked in hardcore but you have to know that you could be harming your body and if your not then cool more power to you, but if your not gonna get bloodwork done and take huge stacks your a dumbass imo.
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No one is trying to flame anyone bro. Maybe I got a little excited, and for that I apologize. But personally, I took it as an attack on me and everyone else who is using gear. The side effects are talked about everyday and guys warn younger kids to stay clear from them until they are mature enough to handle them. EF does an excellent job at telling people to get their blood work done. EF does a great job at helping keep diets clean and healthy. EF does a good job at education people on steroids with profiles, how to take them, when to take them, and which ones to stay away from.

Like I said before, if he doesn't want to use them, then thats cool in my book. But back up your claims. Once again sorry bro, like ItlnStln, i get heated rather quickly, but I am going to stick to my guns.
 
Actually DBBT I am currently enrolled at a university with a 3.74 GPA and 4 national honor societies. My major is special education/history education. Some of us work on the side to pay for our schooling.
 
neverenuf said:
i am what iam is right on target...thanks for the warnings DBBT...but you sound like an ex smoker or alcoholic trying to convince someone what they are doing is wrong...most everyone is a big boy or girl on this forum and free to make ther own choices...

sorry if you had a bad experience...but again it is something we should all know the risks of before doing...

just like knowing getting in my car i could be hit by a semi and killed...yet i still do it...

at 41 it is one of the pleasures i enjoy in life...feeling and looking great... :chomp:

they'll have to pry the needle from my cold dead hand...
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^classic newbie juicer
 
i am what i am said:
Actually DBBT I am currently enrolled at a university with a 3.74 GPA and 4 national honor societies. My major is special education/history education. Some of us work on the side to pay for our schooling.
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Did you like Corky on the show life goes on?
 
its all good, just he and i have both realized we got carried away with our doses and my have done damage to our bodies, both being young it is a scary thing when it really happens. when you are killin it in the gym and have the sex drive of a gorilla its all good, but when your doc is real concerned about your bp and cholesterol or you might have to go on hrt at a young age its fucking eye opening. if i do juice again i will use light cycles and i will do bloodwork before and after. i only hope all you good bros i have love for all of you do this and are safe, and just know what you could potentially do to your body. peace 410
 
i am what i am said:
No one is trying to flame anyone bro. Maybe I got a little excited, and for that I apologize. But personally, I took it as an attack on me and everyone else who is using gear. The side effects are talked about everyday and guys warn younger kids to stay clear from them until they are mature enough to handle them. EF does an excellent job at telling people to get their blood work done. EF does a great job at helping keep diets clean and healthy. EF does a good job at education people on steroids with profiles, how to take them, when to take them, and which ones to stay away from.

Like I said before, if he doesn't want to use them, then thats cool in my book. But back up your claims. Once again sorry bro, like ItlnStln, i get heated rather quickly, but I am going to stick to my guns.
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EF THIS EF THAT, YOU NEED TO TAKE and BE IN CONTROL OF YOURSELF THIS IS NOT EF's JOB!!!
 
DBBT said:
First, if what I say in this thread convinces one guy to NOT start using or one guy that is to stop, then I'm happy. I didn't start this thread to make anyone pissed at me or to get attention.

Second, I'm sorry you didn't go to school and have to work at a bar. Ouch, second hand smoke :worried: --i dont drink or smoke :)

Now, It's evident that I've struck a nerve with AT LEAST one member here, i am what i am, so this is good. Of course smoking and drinking and eating high fat high sodium high cholesterol foods are similarly taxing your system in a way that AAS do. Do you REALLY know how any dose of AAS compares to a hamburger and fries when considering your health? No you don't, and neither do I. So why would inject or swallow one and/or eat either?

Really sorry I don't have the literature to convince you to stop :rolleyes:--I love it when people say that. You're probably the person who showed your family the HBO special to your whole family and said, "see guys, no one has died or gotten sick from steroids so its all good baby baybay!" I can say whatever I want on this board if it related to AAS. So suck it.

I am not taking steroids, nor do I ever plan to touch them again.

How come no one's answering the questions in my first couple posts, but just coming up with their own stuff?
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Well bro. Speak your mind because this is a public forum. ANd no, I didn't show my family the HBO special. I did my own research from medical articles to boards like this.
 
DBBT said:
Did you like Corky on the show life goes on?
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bro...i can vouch for the man personally...he is an deans list student and a member of 4 national college honor societies... and a very good bro...
 
bruce410 said:
its all good, just he and i have both realized we got carried away with our doses and my have done damage to our bodies, both being young it is a scary thing when it really happens. when you are killin it in the gym and have the sex drive of a gorilla its all good, but when your doc is real concerned about your bp and cholesterol or you might have to go on hrt at a young age its fucking eye opening. if i do juice again i will use light cycles and i will do bloodwork before and after. i only hope all you good bros i have love for all of you do this and are safe, and just know what you could potentially do to your body. peace 410
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^^listen up all you newbies who haven't been around the block which = everyone on this thread besides Bruce410
 
DBBT said:
this guys username places him nicely in this thread, thanks bro we're talking about YOU
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I don't appreciate personal attacks on me or my friends. I understand your argument and I respect your opinion. I'm sorry you didn't have a good experience with using steroids. But if you want to make fun of me because I'm a Deans List student and your stupid joke about me working in a bar and not going to school back fired on you, then so be it. Best of luck ot you.
 
i am what i am said:
I don't appreciate personal attacks on me or my friends. I understand your argument and I respect your opinion. I'm sorry you didn't have a good experience with using steroids. But if you want to make fun of me because I'm a Deans List student and your stupid joke about me working in a bar and not going to school back fired on you, then so be it. Best of luck ot you.
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ditto...enough time spent with this guy!

always wondered why "ret" hammered you...i think i know why now!

good luck in your quest to convince just one person...

your a great guy and true humanitarian...but your preaching to the choir we have all heard it before...
 
anal itch said:
DBTT = Good Bro. Don't get your panties in a bunch, fellas. IMO, the original post was to get people thinking.
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Which it did, and because he did not like our responses, he has resorted to using his brilliant sense of humor to avoid questions posed to him.
 
Much love to everyone else and I did not mean to offend anyone. Just speaking my mind in a public forum.
 
IMO I think hes right you have bros doing way to much gear and they dont know what they are getting into. Me personally I was taking way to much 4 way to long and it almost ended my Marraige. I will elaberate if needed. So good on ya DBBT
 
^^listen up all you newbies who haven't been around the block which = everyone on this thread besides Bruce410
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newbies huh? I have been in the game for many years guy... the date when you join a site doesnt mean its the day your eyes open to AAS.. Some people dont join these boards for reasons like this...
 
JuicedAthletics said:
newbies huh? I have been in the game for many years guy... the date when you join a site doesnt mean its the day your eyes open to AAS.. Some people dont join these boards for reasons like this...
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Well said brother.
 
I too chose to hang up the ole syringe for a while but I would not bother telling others to quit.I wouldnt have listened to any one if they told me to quit when I was on for almost a year.I stoped because it wasnt worth it anymore and I was getting more sides than gains even while I was killing myself in the gym for 2 hours a day,I just stoped growing.If I would have kept growing and the sides wouldnt have caught up to me I probably would have kept going but sides suck when they catch up to you and I am happy with my size now and have been off for almost 4 months,havent lost a pound of weight and I actually look better than when I was on,harder and tighter with no bloat.Will I ever go on them?I dont know the answer to that.But as of now I see absolutely no need to use again.Just my .02
 
i am what i am said:
I don't appreciate personal attacks on me or my friends. I understand your argument and I respect your opinion. I'm sorry you didn't have a good experience with using steroids. But if you want to make fun of me because I'm a Deans List student and your stupid joke about me working in a bar and not going to school back fired on you, then so be it. Best of luck ot you.
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roid rage
 
scoobysgym said:
IMO I think hes right you have bros doing way to much gear and they dont know what they are getting into. Me personally I was taking way to much 4 way to long and it almost ended my Marraige. I will elaberate if needed. So good on ya DBBT
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Here's an honest bro^^^^
 
scoobysgym said:
IMO I think hes right you have bros doing way to much gear and they dont know what they are getting into. Me personally I was taking way to much 4 way to long and it almost ended my Marraige. I will elaberate if needed. So good on ya DBBT
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if you dont know the risks...you shouldnt be using...if you understand them and are willing to accept them then it your choice...how many on this forum dont know the risks...i hopefully understand...and accept them...my wife does as well and she left the decision to me...

do i want complications no...am i stupid to think this may not adversly affect my health no...will i continue...as of right now YES...

i believe DBBT cast the first flame...
 
gymratforlife said:
I too chose to hang up the ole syringe for a while but I would not bother telling others to quit.I wouldnt have listened to any one if they told me to quit when I was on for almost a year.I stoped because it wasnt worth it anymore and I was getting more sides than gains even while I was killing myself in the gym for 2 hours a day,I just stoped growing.If I would have kept growing and the sides wouldnt have caught up to me I probably would have kept going but sides suck when they catch up to you and I am happy with my size now and have been off for almost 4 months,havent lost a pound of weight and I actually look better than when I was on,harder and tighter with no bloat.Will I ever go on them?I dont know the answer to that.But as of now I see absolutely no need to use again.Just my .02
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another good bro, that's made a wise decision^^^
 
this is getting way to heated, juicedathletics most of the comments on here are very newbyish, i know your a vet in the game but i think we are referring to the dumb comments that offer know constructive criticism. think about it like this bros. if you were taking a pill doesn't matter what, and so was someone else. this person had some seroius ramifications from taking this, don't you think it is good of him to warn you of this. i know you juiced and i know you should see this is just a thread to consider before kids start doing a gram of test so they grow faster
 
neverenuf said:
if you dont know the risks...you shouldnt be using...if you understand them and are willing to accept them then it your choice...how many on this forum dont know the risks...i hopefully understand...and accept them...my wife does as well and she left the decision to me...

do i want complications no...am i stupid to think this may not adversly affect my health no...will i continue...as of right now YES...

i believe DBBT cast the first flame...
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Why take the chance? And no one's wife, gf, or parents has a CLUE about juice so if they say they understand its like saying they understand what a boner feels like.
 
I will also coment that you can go a lot farther if you have excellent work ethics in the gym and learn how to rough it out gear free and gain weight the natural way.I actually work out harder now than when I was on because I know I dont have that extra push,well I do but its from No-explode and vpx redline not from juice anymore.Recomend this product to any one thats coming off cycle and needs a good kick in the ass to kill that shit in the gym.
 
DBBT said:
roid rage
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Another intelligent response. Your posts are very childish. I'm guessing you go or have gone to Gonzaga which means you are rather young, maybe mid 20's. If it wasn't for us roid monkeys, then you wouldn't be able to make a profit off of promoting AG Guys now would you. Not to many guys looking for clomid or nolva who aren't using steroids. Why are you waisting time in this thread. Don't you have a Ancillary Guys...Have you tried them yet...thread to bump up?
 
Before I upset everyone on EF, I'm going to put the computer down.
 
i am what i am said:
Another intelligent response. Your posts are very childish. I'm guessing you go or have gone to Gonzaga which means you are rather young, maybe mid 20's. If it wasn't for us roid monkeys, then you wouldn't be able to make a profit off of promoting AG Guys now would you. Not to many guys looking for clomid or nolva who aren't using steroids. Why are you waisting time in this thread. Don't you have a Ancillary Guys...Have you tried them yet...thread to bump up?
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No, Im good, not due to bump that for a few more hours...
And yes, please support AG.
 
gymratforlife said:
I will also coment that you can go a lot farther if you have excellent work ethics in the gym and learn how to rough it out gear free and gain weight the natural way.I actually work out harder now than when I was on because I know I dont have that extra push,well I do but its from No-explode and vpx redline not from juice anymore.Recomend this product to any one thats coming off cycle and needs a good kick in the ass to kill that shit in the gym.
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totally agree with this good bro.
 
ok I see theres some fun going on in here.dame it i hate it when you fucken juice heads have all this fun with out me.lol

sup bruce410 bro
sup dbbt whats going on in this thread who's the target.lol
 
I agree with most of what you have said... there are so many people in denial on here... including myself sometimes...
 
needtogetas said:
ok I see theres some fun going on in here.dame it i hate it when you fucken juice heads have all this fun with out me.lol

sup bruce410 bro
sup dbbt whats going on in this thread who's the target.lol
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sup, im just talking to these juicers and it may or may not have led to a complete raging argument... :evil:
 
well IMO if i wasnt going to play football and didnt think seriously had potetential i wouldnt have started my father played pro football, and juiced through highschool and college, and in the early years he neevr even knew of PCT much less half of the precautions im reading about today, it seems from my studies and the faact that my dad doing over 20 cyles many of which we all to day would frown on becuase of the dosages, his ability to still have had 4 kids and keep much of his size though he hasnt worked out in 10 years makes me think its not as dangerous as its first precieved. although i definatly appriciate the threads point in itself kind of a wakeup call to weekend warrior juicers and rec juicers that have gotten out of control...anyway thats my 2 cents
-J_Merkm
 
DBBT said:
Juicers, seriously:
Beginners or advanced juicers, do you REALLY know what you're doing to yourself when using anabolic steroids on your own w/out doctor's script? Are you 100% relying on a forum to answer ALL your questions or do you have another source of information besides the internet in general? Are you all aware that your size will go away, and then strength will go away eventually and its one big spinning wheel out of control IF and when you discontinue use forever? Something to consider, if you are denying that, im sorry. Are any of you planning on having kids? How guilty will you feel if you find out you've been unable to RECOVER from your next cycle and you can't have a family of your own blood? Are you going to advise your kids to juice at "the appropriate age" or will they gets none? How many of you put top priority on your health while ON and what about things you "can't see with your eyes" like heart/cholest? Do you get regular tests showing your body has recouperated from the previous cycle(s)? How many of you are juicing out of control and find that you are addicted to juice and that if you stop your world will be over? How many of you have handfulls of friends and family member begging you to quit? Or are you totally saying to yourself, "I've seen the HBO special on juicers, where are the bodies so I can juice away till they find the bodies?"How many of you have said, ok this one cycle only and then had it turn into a two+ year cycle on and off story? I have. Hate to see anyone or especially newbees get started in here and find themselves in too deep of a hole. All I'm saying is that I HOPE all of you are taking care of yourself 100% and putting you first. Take care.


AG GUYS
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needtogetas said:
ya fuck up boy.lol ill bomb youre ass. :evil:
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No need to get all hostile, but if you want to go ahead. It seems that some people have more friends than me, so I guess I might as well shut up. Nothing like intimidation and threats.
 
i am what i am said:
No need to get all hostile, but if you want to go ahead. It seems that some people have more friends than me, so I guess I might as well shut up. Nothing like intimidation and threats.
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dbbt^^^^^^
 
DBBT said:
neverenuf diffused a bad karma of i am what i am on 19-Mar-2006 - 05:23 PM

id'nt dat nice
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Haha... You're great bro. Just take all my karma away bro. You're not bullying anybody away from this site. Keep the trash talking, the bombing, the bad karma flying.
 
neverenuf said:
it should be gone...
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perhaps your previous juiceing stole your sense of loyalty...i am what i am is like a brother to me...although all in good fun im sure...not gonna tolerate it...
 
well these nuccas are like brothers to me and he never said anything slightly offensive, so shit ain't slidin likewise. freedom of speech, don't like it fine; give your argument don't be a child
 
neverenuf said:
perhaps your previous juiceing stole your sense of loyalty...i am what i am is like a brother to me...although all in good fun im sure...not gonna tolerate it...
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I hope you two don't combine all your testo and have hot sweaty chocolate balloon knot love occasionally
 
it feels like the days when we still had division around, and hey he was right about the gtp all allong.
 
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