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Juice - why wait ?
- Thread starter Yeo
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Because you have not learned the discipline it takes yet. These things take time to develop and maturity needs to be reached before you can hope to maintain what you accomplish through the aid of anabolics.
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leancuisine
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The Terminator said:
could not be said better!!
First of all what are semantics ? I know I potentially have alot of natural growing to do and I can train intense and get 180-200g of protein a day so ok on the diet. No offence dial tone as I do appreciate your input and opinion but how can you know how far I can push myself cos you don't know me bro. What I really want to know is why is it better to be at your genetic limit before juicing ?
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DaddyX
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i agree with terminator however i do think everyone is different when you deal with maturity and dedication. im 20 years old and feel i have a great amount of knowledge under my belt as i have studied anabolics for a few years now,of course i have alot more learning still to do - o well-later
FatChops
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What I have learned and seen with friends is that if you wait and learn how to train and eat, your gains and body will blow sooo much better if you start off with a good base. Your 135lbs I bet you can gain so serious weight naturally. Those are the advantages and the disadvantages are that you might respond well to the drugs. good luck
Lift Chief
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You aren't able to recruit as many muscle fibers as more advanced trainees are... as you go along you'll find that you get more and more dead after a workout becaure you're able to recruit more muscle fibers. Besides that you want to make sure you have your diet and training right so you don't waste a cycle.
DaddyX said:
I had a friend from the Bay Area who was 19 and was deadlifting 600 lbs. front squat ~300, leg pressing well over 1000 naturally. He was about 215 lbs. with 3 years natural training. He was very mature and well versed in anabolics (even clean), so that when he decided to use he did it right. But someone like that is few and far between....
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DaddyX
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terminator - agree again, good points cause alot of 19 year olds or even older dont know a damn thing about anything and think that if they hardly work out and take a bunch of roids they r gonna be the next arnold when u and i both know being a little more knowledged that its alot more than just that,its rest,training correctly,diet etc......
About 6 months ago I got a bottle of 19Nor and the pumps and intensity were unreal, probably nothing compared to AAS. I loved the aggression it gave me in the gym, though I can still train intense, I can never get to that same level without it. I know about training correctly and I get 180-200g of protein a day but still find it hard to grow. I started at 117 and got to 130 in 3 months then I seemed to plateau. I think the reason for this was that my weights weren't going up anymore. Anyway I'm rattling on a bit so why would I grow better if I had a better base, would AAS not make me reach my genetic limit faster.
bigp3
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I trained for years before I ever used any gear and I am glad that I did. I started lifting when I was 18 and made little progress in my first year. Then I decided to take the time and learn about everything to do with the game of bodybuilding. I educated myself on proper training dieting and drugs. I was able to push myself to higher gains than most people in the gym were getting on the sauce. This prepared me for when I did cycle. I can't count how many people I have seen that are on and you would never know it because they have no clue of how to train or diet. I see to many people training like idiots, just throwing weights around with no consciousness of how to train for growth.
Ultimately you are the on that has to decided whether or not to go on. This is just my 2 cents. I think that you that solid base of muslce and knowledge will help you push yourself to higher limits.
My comparison. Any of you guys ever ride motorcycles. The juice has like going out and hoping on the biggest fastest bike you can find without and skill or knowledge of how to handle that power. Chances are you are going to hurt or kill yourself without learning what you are doing first. AS gives you a lot of power of your body and you need to make sure you are responsible enough to handle this power and the changes that it brings about.
Good Lucl
Ultimately you are the on that has to decided whether or not to go on. This is just my 2 cents. I think that you that solid base of muslce and knowledge will help you push yourself to higher limits.
My comparison. Any of you guys ever ride motorcycles. The juice has like going out and hoping on the biggest fastest bike you can find without and skill or knowledge of how to handle that power. Chances are you are going to hurt or kill yourself without learning what you are doing first. AS gives you a lot of power of your body and you need to make sure you are responsible enough to handle this power and the changes that it brings about.
Good Lucl
I thought that was a great way to explain aas bro, so how do you suggest I learn how to handle the power then bigp3 ? I train with good form and have been told so by guys that have been training 10 years+ I know what your saying about building a good base but say I started on the gear now, and got past my genetic limit and then stopped using, do you think I would lgo back to 135sih or shrink down to my genetic limit ?
I've put on 20lbs naturally too bro even though I am only 135lbs, I kid you not I am an extreme hardgainer (6" wrists) I don't know what my natural limit is probably about 170-180 so I might go for 1test or 1AD first, then go for AAS when I get to about 150-160. I just don't know why people say you should get to your genetic limit before using if I knew why then maybe I would wait.
Ttokkyo Jack
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5'9" 135..... Start the juice immediately, don't listen to what anyone else says. U are 22, so you don't have to worry about stunting your growth, and sure you could probably make more gains naturally, but if I were in your shoes I would start the juice. U can make gains naturally which will take awhile, or you can use juice and speed up the process. At 5'9" 135 I would be looking to be making gains as fast as possible. However, don't think that gear is the cure all, you need proper training and nutrition. Lastly make sure you are well educated on AAS use, before you start.
JibbyJabba
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gwl9dta4 said:
either you are unfamiliar with theactual definition of the word "semantic" or I am missing your point all together. Please clarify...
supersizeme
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Ttokkyo Jack said:
Dumb.
Yeo you need to learn how to eat. At 5'9" 135, you're not eating enough. You made 13lbs worth of newbie gains in your entire first year of training. If you were eating right, your gains would be coming at the SAME PACE without gear that they would if you started taking gear with your current eating habits.
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Frackal
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I don't know if this has been mentioned but it's very important:
One of the key reasons to wait a few years and around 30-60lbs of muscle clean before juicing is: If you don't know how to gain muscle naturally, how do you expect to maintain an additional 20lbs once the biochemical advantage of gear is absent.
Basically meaning, if you dont understand your body enough to know how it responds to changes in diet, training and other stimulus, you will have a very difficult time keeping your gains while coming off gear, when you are at a greater biological disadvantage for a temp period of time then you were previously as a natural....
If you're not familiar Yeo, I'm referring to the time after a cycle when you are in an enviroment with such things as increased cortisol and estrogen, and decreased testosterone levels...
One of the key reasons to wait a few years and around 30-60lbs of muscle clean before juicing is: If you don't know how to gain muscle naturally, how do you expect to maintain an additional 20lbs once the biochemical advantage of gear is absent.
Basically meaning, if you dont understand your body enough to know how it responds to changes in diet, training and other stimulus, you will have a very difficult time keeping your gains while coming off gear, when you are at a greater biological disadvantage for a temp period of time then you were previously as a natural....
If you're not familiar Yeo, I'm referring to the time after a cycle when you are in an enviroment with such things as increased cortisol and estrogen, and decreased testosterone levels...
Bro I really have to agree with terminator but I think you are the only one who can decide if you are ready or not. I trained years and years before I hit it. The only reason I hit the juice was due to an accident and I lost almost everything I ever worked for. I got electricuted.... lol. (go figure now I am recovering from a motorcycle accident) Fuq waiting for many years to get everything back. Genetic potential, I think is irrelevant. I know a guy who was 5'9 at 150. I would'nt say he was too educated in lifting or nutrition let alone AAS.. He went up to New York for a year came back at 200lbs. No that is no BS. I think he was lucky as hell not to loose all his hair, kill his nuts, die of a Heart Attack or have liver and/or kidney damage. He made it. Years later he is 220lbs. Everyone is different. I feel the AAS actually forced him to educate himself and become a true hardcore nut. This is one example. I don't have any negative examples because I don't really know anyone else on except for people here. Obviously over the net half the people giving advice could be 5'9 at 120lbs or 5'9 at 220 of pure lard. I think my buddies case is rare. He messed with a lot of heavy heavy doses of sus, dbols, anadrols and hell well a lot of different stuff. Never used clomid only HCG. I think what he did would kill me at best. Like I said I think he is an exception, but head my warning!!! If you decide to turn to the dark side educate yourself like you never did before. You may gain but if the follow ups arent good you will loose almost everything and could get very depressed and took the risk of all the negative sides for nothing. Good luck bro
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