Jenetic Feedback Please

[lsutigers]

hi

amateur here. done a few cycles with no info, and now i'm ready to do it correctly and need help. i'm 5'11'' and 195lbs. been lifting for about 10 yrs, and pretty strong. i have several cycling questions. first i have 20cc of 200mg eq, 20cc of super test 250, and a 50cc bottle of ref-b. i have spoken to a few other members in the forum and the suggested this

10 wk of 250mg super test 2x wk

10 wk of 400mg of eq

4 wks 25 mg a day split 12.5mg in am and 12.5 mg in pm in gel caps


forgive me for my stupidity, but this is the first i'v heard of pct.

i need to know why,when, and how much of arimidex, clomid ,hcg(human chorionic gonaditropin???),and novadex i need ??


what would happen if i did not do pct after that cycle. i'm not sure i have access to clomid,nolvadex, hcg,or arimidx.


please tell me why, how much , when, and what each one of these do.

thanks for any information , input, suggestions i may receive.

 

[Jenetic]

hi

amateur here. done a few cycles with no info, and now i'm ready to do it correctly and need help. i'm 5'11'' and 195lbs. been lifting for about 10 yrs, and pretty strong. i have several cycling questions. first i have 20cc of 200mg eq, 20cc of super test 250, and a 50cc bottle of ref-b. i have spoken to a few other members in the forum and the suggested this

10 wk of 250mg super test 2x wk

10 wk of 400mg of eq

4 wks 25 mg a day split 12.5mg in am and 12.5 mg in pm in gel caps


forgive me for my stupidity, but this is the first i'v heard of pct.

i need to know why,when, and how much of arimidex, clomid ,hcg(human chorionic gonaditropin???),and novadex i need ??


what would happen if i did not do pct after that cycle. i'm not sure i have access to clomid,nolvadex, hcg,or arimidx.


please tell me why, how much , when, and what each one of these do.

thanks for any information , input, suggestions i may receive.

Overall, the cycle looks good. The only thing I would change is the duration. 8 week in my opinion should yeild sufficient results.

First off, have blood work done to establish some baseline values. Please refer to DrJMW's post here in the PCT forum entitled "Blood Testing" if you are not familiar with the proper protocol.

I would recomend using 1 mg Arimidex ED throughout the cycle.

PCT will start one week after your last injection and should consist of 1000-1500 IU's HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for a total of 3 weeks. Then, 50 mgs Clomid ED in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for 2 additional weeks followed by blood work to evaluate your recovery.

In a nutshell, Hypogonadism may and will occur if proper PCT for HPTA recovery is not utilized. The goal of PCT is to restore endogenous testosterone production, spermatogenesis and testicular volume.

Please take the time to read the sticky threads at the top of this forum. I will be more than happy to answer any additional questions if neccessary.

Jenetic

 

[lsutigers]

Overall, the cycle looks good. The only thing I would change is the duration. 8 week in my opinion should yeild sufficient results.

First off, have blood work done to establish some baseline values. Please refer to DrJMW's post here in the PCT forum entitled "Blood Testing" if you are not familiar with the proper protocol.

I would recomend using 1 mg Arimidex ED throughout the cycle.

PCT will start one week after your last injection and should consist of 1000-1500 IU's HCG 3x/wk (mon/wed/fri) in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for a total of 3 weeks. Then, 50 mgs Clomid ED in combination with 20 mgs Nolvadex ED for 2 additional weeks followed by blood work to evaluate your recovery.

In a nutshell, Hypogonadism may and will occur if proper PCT for HPTA recovery is not utilized. The goal of PCT is to restore endogenous testosterone production, spermatogenesis and testicular volume.

Please take the time to read the sticky threads at the top of this forum. I will be more than happy to answer any additional questions if neccessary.

Jenetic

thanks for your help jenetic,

this forum is awesome. great info, and nice people willing to share info.Quick question, i see that nolvadex is available in oral form, is that sufficient and is it the same dose and time schedule??
again

thanks

lsu

 

[liquidmuscle]

8wks will be easier for recovery however with the esters he will be using it they wont be at a therapuetic level til wks 4 and after except the ref b of course

 

[Jenetic]

Quick question, i see that nolvadex is available in oral form, is that sufficient and is it the same dose and time schedule??

I have no problems with liquid products but there have been mixed responses in regards to their quality and consistency. I always recommend the pharmaceutical grade tabs.

Jenetic

 

[Jenetic]

8wks will be easier for recovery however with the esters he will be using it they wont be at a therapuetic level til wks 4 and after except the ref b of course

Starting the PCT one week after his last injection will not cause any problems with his recovery.

The action of HCG occurs independently and is not affected by exogenous hormones and preexisting HPTA suppresion. Regardless, LH secretion will begin to increase as the exogenous hormones diminish. Nolvadex will be sufficient to start pituitary stimulation of LH. After the HCG is discontinued, he will be extending his PCT program with Clomid and Nolvadex for 2 additional weeks.

The elevated androgen levels are from an exogenous source and your endogenous production is suppressed. Therefore, waiting for the exogenous androgens to clear from your system ultimately results in lower total concentrations of androgens in your system when begining PCT. This leads to an unfavorable andgrogen:estrogen ratio and the "crash effect".

Jenetic

 

[lsutigers]

jenetic,


tomaxafen = nolvadex????? are these interchangable??? same dose????

 

[Jenetic]

Same exact thing. Tamoxifen is the actual substance and Nolvadex is the trade name.