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Java: your thoughts on the cuban missle crisis?
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javaguru
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Rnch, I'm offended, I am a military historian.....I have academic and street creds....rnch said:re: october 1962.
as a military historian (or at least as close to one here on elite), what do u think about the military's and the executive branch's perfomance during this critical period?
javaguru
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I have no bias.....my grandfather raised me with Prussian values and I give my opinion when asked....for me, when my my grandfather emphasized me as "Prussian" I got it...there is a general bias against Germans in every aspect of life, everyone assumes you're a Nazi by expressing anything nationalistic....rnch said:
who mentioned comparative morality?javaguru said:
all i "aksed" for was a critque of the military and executive branches' actions during the cuban missle crisis....i've read and admired and agreed (for the most part) with the detailed analysis of WW II battles you have posted..
what the HELL have you been drinking/smoking/snorting 2nite?
Powerbuilder333
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Didn't Kennedy make a secret deal with Khrushchev to remove our misslies from the USSR border?
If true, it would appear as if the Soviets won that hand of poker.
If true, it would appear as if the Soviets won that hand of poker.
Powerbuilder333
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He's probably pounding a Starbucks and researching it right now - lol. No sleep for him last night.
yes, he did. the jupiter missles were considered as "obsolete" and had been targeted for removal by President Kennedy for quite some time. they were still there only because of foot dragging my the military.Powerbuilder333 said:
the announcement of their removal was agreed on by all to be delayed 6 months as to not be connected to the russian troop remoival.
today that would not have happened, but the American public was so much more trusting of their elected officials in 1962 than today.
what do ya'll think the current temporary occupant of 1600 penn ave wudda done if in President Kennedy's spot?
javaguru
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Actually, I wrote my bachelor thesis on "How and Why the US Became Involved in the Vietnam Conflict." Kennedy had "unclean" hands, Johnson takes crap from the pop culture for Vietnam but it was Kennedy that put our geopolitical asses on the line. His presidency is highly over rated by the masses. The Cuban Missile crisis was a response by the Soviet Union to NATO threatening the Soviet Union by installing ballistic missiles in Turkey and we never should have come that close to nuclear war. The settling of the crisis required the US withdraw of missiles from Turkey and the Soviet general in charge had pre-delegated use of tactical nukes by Soviet forces in Cuba in the event of a US invasion.Lestat said:
The Kennedy administration installed the Baath party in Iraq and the CIA supplied them with a list of possible communist sympathizers. They proceeded to go on a killing spree and used US weapons to massacre the Kurdish insurgents the US had once supported and then abandoned, sound familiar?
Kennedy's international record is pretty bad IMO.
historians and confidants close to the Kennedy administation have said that, after his re-election in 1964, President Kennedy was comitted to withdrawing all of our"advisors" in viet nam. his murder by oswald (yeh, rite..javaguru said:
) prevented this from happening.we all know the actions of his successor....
Powerbuilder333
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The Bay Of Pigs invasion would have worked, and no show down with the Soviets would have occuried?rnch said:yes, he did. the jupiter missles were considered as "obsolete" and had been targeted for removal by President Kennedy for quite some time. they were still there only because of foot dragging my the military.
the announcement of their removal was agreed on by all to be delayed 6 months as to not be connected to the russian troop remoival.
today that would not have happened, but the American public was so much more trusting of their elected officials in 1962 than today.
what do ya'll think the current temporary occupant of 1600 penn ave wudda done if in President Kennedy's spot?
javaguru
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All counter insurgencies bear a resemblance. You can cite Kennedy quotes about supporting freedom and Bush in regard to the war on terror and they are eerily similar. Both had a western cultural bias and lack of understanding of the cultures they were dealing with. I can draw more parallels between the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the first modern war against islamic fundamentalism, and Iraq.rnch said:
Powerbuilder333
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Way to geigh up every thread - lol.PICK3 said:java, do you see parallels between the Vietnam conflict and your personal conflict with cumming to terms with your sexuality?
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"Drop the bomb, exterminate them all"
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Spartacus
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why would any intelligent man want to join the army or natl' guard right now; what with the strong possibility of being sent over to the sand dunes?
president bush has ruined military service for this generation just as president johnson did for your parent's generation.
president bush has ruined military service for this generation just as president johnson did for your parent's generation.
patsfan1379
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Spartacus said:
POST OF THE WEEK
javaguru
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I just got an e-mail/news from military.com the Marines are offering 61k bonuses for qualified counter intelligence prospects.rnch said:
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javaguru
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Islamic fundamentalism is the new communism.
Russia is still fighting fundamentalist rebels.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3293441.stm
Russia is still fighting fundamentalist rebels.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3293441.stm
Lestat said:
Yes but unfortunately it's never stopped us from trying before.
You can't kill an idea.
javaguru
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Ignoring the fact that more economically developed countries have lower birth rates in general,France would be another example.hanselthecaretaker said:
Germany is roughly the size of Ohio and has a population of almost 82.5 million, making it the 14th most populous country, with a slight trend of decline. Ohio has a little more than 11 million people.
I really don't see the various disconnects connecting. I agree that Germans are raised with the holocaust but i don't see the correlation with a low birth rate.
javaguru said:
Although the German government has begun to address the issue, it was particularly slow out of the blocks in dealing with its low birthrate, and, since 2003, the contraction of its population, in that first year by just 5,000 people, but in 2006 by 130,000. The German population stands at 82.4 million people.
That was, in part, because almost no debate can proceed unencumbered by the country's Nazi past. Hitler's government gave medals to mothers of large families, gold for those with eight or more children. Uneasiness over the parallels kept the subject of encouraging reproduction on the back burner in Germany for years, unlike in France, where promoting childbearing has long been government policy.
According to European Union statistics, the crude birthrate - defined as births per thousand inhabitants - has declined in Germany in each of the last nine years, from 9.9 in 1997 to 8.2 in 2006. Even after factoring in immigration, the German population is experiencing "exponential negative growth," Klingholz said. The problem is not new - deaths have outnumbered live births in Germany since 1972 - but a muscular response by the government is.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/23/news/germany.php
Although, during the late '50's and moreso the '60's both East and West Germany experienced a baby boom of sorts, enough to make the population grow; although that was still considered unusual.
The majority of their population has been progressively aging though for decades, with fewer and fewer younger people. I've read an estimate stating that by 2030, there will be a 1:1 ratio between pensioners and workers. Not good for them.
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china faces this problem too
after decades of the 1 child/couple policy
after decades of the 1 child/couple policy
Spartacus said:
The main difference being they already make up roughly 20% of the world's population as it is. They're f'n huge.
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