I've been contemplating this for quite some time now

[KillahBee]

Generally speaking, at their most intense moments, there are really only two situations in which I believe a person is as close to "real" (in the True Self vain) as humanly possible:

- During sex
- In a physical fight (street, boxing, MMA - as long as real harm is a possible outcome)

I'll expand on this more later.

 

[princesa]

Have you been reading "The power of Now"?

 

[KillahBee]

Have you been reading "The power of Now"?

No, but I've studied a lot of that "kind" of teachings (buddhism, dyer, robbins, chopra, japanese zen, etc.). In the end, it's all relatively the same with similar governing principles.

 

[rnch]

kb, i guess the concept of anything except "selfish sex" ever occurs to you?

 

[Smurfy]

*subscribed* so i can enlighten myself as to the Great KB's beliefs!

 

[-SD-]

interesting theory. but i dont know if the sex part holds up if youve been with that person an appreciable amount of time already. that theory would probably hold up for one night stands and totally indescriminate sex though because the true nature if youre a giver or a taker during sex would manifest itself in those times, because you stand a good chance of not getting it again from that particular person. whereas if you are in a LTR with someone, theres always "next time" to be selfish in bed. Like when you hear about folks talking about "my turn to be on top" or "we did that sexual stuff last time, lets do xyz this time" etc.

 

[KillahBee]

kb, i guess the concept of anything except "selfish sex" ever occurs to you?

I think you meant "never"?

 

[rnch]

I think you meant "never"?

your right hand would be gratefull.

 

[KillahBee]

interesting theory. but i dont know if the sex part holds up if youve been with that person an appreciable amount of time already. that theory would probably hold up for one night stands and totally indescriminate sex though because the true nature if youre a giver or a taker during sex would manifest itself in those times, because you stand a good chance of not getting it again from that particular person. whereas if you are in a LTR with someone, theres always "next time" to be selfish in bed. Like when you hear about folks talking about "my turn to be on top" or "we did that sexual stuff last time, lets do xyz this time" etc.

Correct. I'm not being too specific for a reason. Not every fight, not every fuck.

But when looking at my life, when I'm just in the middle of raw fucking, I'm just....honest. And the fights I've been in, those moments shined a light on the "man I am" like none others have since.

 

[KillahBee]

your right hand would be gratefull.

Thanks for your contributions to the thread, brah!!!!!

 

[rnch]

 

[-SD-]

Correct. I'm not being too specific for a reason. Not every fight, not every fuck.

But when looking at my life, when I'm just in the middle of raw fucking, I'm just....honest. And the fights I've been in, those moments shined a light on the "man I am" like none others have since.

so did you get your ass kicked or what

 

[KillahBee]

so did you get your ass kicked or what

most certainly...in a few of them

 

[-SD-]

most certainly...in a few of them

how was your true self in the fighting situations

 

[KillahBee]

how was your true self in the fighting situations

I have a horrific memory (not sure if it was the drug abuse or not), but one of the few I do have is my first two "real" fights. In both cases I had been basically harrassed by two different "bullies" for quite some time and never did much about it. Until, in both situations, I was placed in the definition of a "fight or flight" position. Wasn't sure if I had it in me, but I manned up both times.

So, to answer your question - it was infallable.

 

[BlueBird]

I would add aesthetic arrest as well as wonder.

 

[lartinos]

interesting, but I'm sure many more moments can be added. When you get a job, marry someone you love etc... Those moments are surreal as well. (never said I do personally though)

 

[Scotsman]

KB you could add in the near death experience to your list. If you haven't experienced it let me tell you it's a real self awareness learning experience. And I don't mean a situation where you thought you were going to die it's a situation where you knew you were going to die.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[-SD-]

KB you could add in the near death experience to your list. If you haven't experienced it let me tell you it's a real self awareness learning experience. And I don't mean a situation where you thought you were going to die it's a situation where you knew you were going to die.

Cheers,
Scotsman

so what happened to you

 

[RottenWillow]

And I don't mean a situation where you thought you were going to die it's a situation where you knew you were going to die.

Cheers,
Scotsman

God that's sure as hell accurate. I was in a car wreck once that absolutely without a doubt should have been fatal. And I came out without a scratch. Like you said, not a sitch where you thought ok I might die now, but a complete certainty that this is it, this is the end now. You don't even think, you just know it.

Lasted about 20 seconds and I definitely had several moments of perfect clarity during that interval.

 

[Lambruh]

have you ever caught a girl you truly loved cheating on you in public? The real inner rage comes out, I never thought I could get so mad, it is bad

 

[Scotsman]

so what happened to you

Try watching a bus hit another car then slam into the door of the truck you're driving. That will clear things up for anyone in a hurry. And that's just one experience I've had.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[Smurfy]

Try watching a bus hit another car then slam into the door of the truck you're driving. That will clear things up for anyone in a hurry. And that's just one experience I've had.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[jackangel]

Lasted about 20 seconds and I definitely had several moments of perfect clarity during that interval.

Did it change you forever?

 

[KillahBee]

I'm not referring to moments where you are supremely emotional (be it anger, love, joy, whatever). That's not your True Self. If anything, high emotions are very much not your True Self. I just mean moments where you are...You stripped away of all the bullshit (for the record, I consider non-family love "bullshit").

And yes, Scots, I was in that situation. Twice, sort of. Once with a gun shot, the other with a shoulda been gun shot to the head (the dude decided to shoot the black kid instead of me - point blank in the head....he survived with zero complications). It definitely provided for a few moments of "clarity", but not really. Extreme situations never did much for me. Hard to really use the extreme to manage/alter my every day behavior.

 

[Scotsman]

I'm not referring to moments where you are supremely emotional (be it anger, love, joy, whatever). That's not your True Self. If anything, high emotions are very much not your True Self. I just mean moments where you are...You stripped away of all the bullshit (for the record, I consider non-family love "bullshit").

And yes, Scots, I was in that situation. Twice, sort of. Once with a gun shot, the other with a shoulda been gun shot to the head (the dude decided to shoot the black kid instead of me - point blank in the head....he survived with zero complications). It definitely provided for a few moments of "clarity", but not really. Extreme situations never did much for me. Hard to really use the extreme to manage/alter my every day behavior.

So you're talking inrospection into how you truly comport yourself not what you're made of.

Cheers,
Scotsman

 

[-SD-]

I was ordered into a strangers house at gunpoint when i was around 17. got a little clarity there also.

 

[Bikini Mod]

You won't care about what I have to say, but I will say it anyway.

Your "true self" comes out over "the long haul".... during mundane bullshit that life heaps on you, one day at a time. Nothing really catastrophic, no endorphins... just "life".

I've seen some catastrophe and I've seen life. I've known several that have seen the same.

Bottom line is that you are MORE than the sum total of your parts.

Take from that what you will. Either way, my life stays the same.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

I(for the record, I consider non-family love "bullshit").
.

If your parents didn't love each other you would not be alive and you would have no family. Christ you have gotten more jaded dude over the past year.

 

[Razorguns]

When they're on the internet.

r

 

[nimbus]

it seems like what you are saying really applies to any situation where one's ego does not come into play. helping others because you genuinely care about them, making food when you're really really hungry, creating art, and non-competitively engaging in sports such as skiing and surfing can also be included i believe.