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wnt2bBeast
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add more weight 
you have an injury or you still easing back into things
you have an injury or you still easing back into things
Griz1
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Well, in my case. Yes. Yes it is sad. I have back problems that don't allow me to really load up on my squats. As a result I can bench more than I can squat. Mind you I can do well over 1000lbs on the 45 degree leg press. And my wheels are not too bad.
So strength wise it is just different for me. But MAN!!!! I WISH!!! I could load up on my squats and work them up. I DO feel like a fuckin pussy on squat day. I've worked on my squat form with a kinesiologist (however the fuck you spell it), chiropractor, and regular trainer and I KNOW I'm doing it right but if I load up, I'm fucked for a month or more with chronic back pain.
Without these kind of problems/issues, I'd agree though.
So strength wise it is just different for me. But MAN!!!! I WISH!!! I could load up on my squats and work them up. I DO feel like a fuckin pussy on squat day. I've worked on my squat form with a kinesiologist (however the fuck you spell it), chiropractor, and regular trainer and I KNOW I'm doing it right but if I load up, I'm fucked for a month or more with chronic back pain.
Without these kind of problems/issues, I'd agree though.
wnt2bBeast said:add more weight
you have an injury or you still easing back into things
I finally hit legs again after 8 weeks being out with a grade 3 (most severe) high/low ankle sprain. But still when i get back to full strength i wont go over 315. I can, but i prefer to sleep at night. If i kill legs, then i dont sleep...too much fucking pain. If i go heavy at all on them, then i hit some moderately heavy leg presses.
wnt2bBeast
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cwick0 said:
glad to hear your healing up bruh..
i know you have an injury and i still resecpt the fact that you hit 315 for reps which really isnt a light weight
Griz1 said:
I messed up my back deadlifting in college and I couldn't squat comfortably for years after that. I'm still wary of it happening again. My strength is coming back pretty quickly though. Hell, in July I was only doing 3 plates per side on leg press and I'm at 6 now. I should be at 10 per by summer.
I squatted yesterday for the first time. Those and 45 degree leg press will be my quad staples. I don't have good ankle flexibility but I've got some Olympic lifting shoes for squatting; helps a ton otherwise I have to lean way forward to stay balanced. Best purchase I ever made.
wnt2bBeast
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Dial_tone said:
have you tried front squats?
bignate73
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my suggestion if your back is weak, and i'm sure you see this coming....squat wide and sit back. bring your hams, glutes and erectors up to speed. thats where you are vulnerable. you've probably protected your lower back ever since your injury and made yourself highly quad dominant. just a guess...
super_rice
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sad is when people can squat and bench more than they can deadlift
wnt2bBeast
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Dial_tone said:
absolutely..how far forward are you leaning?? thats not a good thing maybe with light weight now you can get away with it but as you increase its going to lead to back problems keep youre upper back arched(chest out)at all times..
sounds like a weakness to me and youd be better off fixing it..we all got em!!
haha Who gives a fuck? I bench way more then Ive ever squatted! haha Never really did them much.
wnt2bBeast said:absolutely..how far forward are you leaning?? thats not a good thing maybe with light weight now you can get away with it but as you increase its going to lead to back problems keep youre upper back arched(chest out)at all times..
sounds like a weakness to me and youd be better off fixing it..we all got em!!
It's a weakness called lack of ankle flexibility and the shoes have already fixed it. It's the same reason some people squat with their heels elevated. Is anybody actually reading my posts?
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wnt2bBeast
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so why cant you front squat with the shoes jerky?Dial_tone said:It's a weakness called lack of ankle flexibility and the shoes have already fixed it. It's the same reason some people squat with their heels elevated. Is anybody actually reading my posts?
ghettostudmuffin
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I used to think I couldn't squat without a heel or small plate under my heels. Then I learned about weaknesses and being quad and low back dominant.
Your erectors and quads may be real strong, but your glutes and/or hams are probably underdeveloped compared to your quads and erectors.
Also squatting a little wider with a little more toe flare can help you sit back into it.
Ever since I started doing glute/ham raises and reverse hypers I have no trouble sitting all the way down and back with chuck taylors on. Also have developed some nice muscle back there.
If your glutes and hams aren't up to par then you will find it hard to sit back and down into a squat. You may or may not be flexible in the ankles, but to be honest, if you sit back and down right you don't need alot of ankle flexibility because your shins will be close to vertical rather than leaning way forward like a full squat.
Also when you walk do your toes flare out a good bit? I think DAve Tate or Louie Simmons said that if you do your hams are weak. Well I can personally attest that this is true. I used to walk with quite abit of outward toe flare. Since I have started developing my hams and glutes my feet actually point almost totally forward now.
Imo, you don't need olympic shoes unless you plan on doing full squats all the time.
Your erectors and quads may be real strong, but your glutes and/or hams are probably underdeveloped compared to your quads and erectors.
Also squatting a little wider with a little more toe flare can help you sit back into it.
Ever since I started doing glute/ham raises and reverse hypers I have no trouble sitting all the way down and back with chuck taylors on. Also have developed some nice muscle back there.
If your glutes and hams aren't up to par then you will find it hard to sit back and down into a squat. You may or may not be flexible in the ankles, but to be honest, if you sit back and down right you don't need alot of ankle flexibility because your shins will be close to vertical rather than leaning way forward like a full squat.
Also when you walk do your toes flare out a good bit? I think DAve Tate or Louie Simmons said that if you do your hams are weak. Well I can personally attest that this is true. I used to walk with quite abit of outward toe flare. Since I have started developing my hams and glutes my feet actually point almost totally forward now.
Imo, you don't need olympic shoes unless you plan on doing full squats all the time.
I bench, squat, and deadlift about the same but its because i have a back problem and a strong bench.
DT, I think I read that squatting with a plate under your heels will actually make your ankles less flexible. you're better off working consistantly the right way, and do a lot of stretching.
DT, I think I read that squatting with a plate under your heels will actually make your ankles less flexible. you're better off working consistantly the right way, and do a lot of stretching.
ghettostudmuffin
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Dial_tone, can you leg press?
If you don't have a back problem then if you can leg press full range then you can squat. That's just my opinion.
If you don't have a back problem then if you can leg press full range then you can squat. That's just my opinion.
psychedout
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My legs are weird, not that strong, but they've been growing in size. Maybe 10-15% stronger then chest.
Dial_tone, I think it all depends. Arnold did sets of bench and squats with the same amount of weight on the bar, he looked great. I guess it all depends on what kind of symetry you want. Personally, Quads and hams aren't that importan, I swear one day I will have 20inch calves though. All about personal preference.
Dial_tone, I think it all depends. Arnold did sets of bench and squats with the same amount of weight on the bar, he looked great. I guess it all depends on what kind of symetry you want. Personally, Quads and hams aren't that importan, I swear one day I will have 20inch calves though. All about personal preference.
bignate73
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Dial_tone said:
DT, you need to do bent knee calf stretches. Sit in the seated calf raise, throw a 45 on it and sit there in a stretch for up to a minute. you have tight soleus, thats why when you crack your knee your ankle locks up. do this a few times a week, and you'll be fine.
unless you have a joint issue, like i do. my ankle was reconstructed years ago, and it doesnt flex as much as the other. not noticeable until i have extreme flexion...ie oly squats. PL squats: i'm right as rain.
bignate73 said:
If I had a dollar for every knucklehead that told me that I could.......well I'd still have to borrow some for a Happy Meal but here's the thing. I started lifting in 1977 which is longer than a lot of you clowns have been alive. I've tried everything ALREADY. I'm 40 now so there's no chance of me being more flexible now than I was in college.
DaveTSI said:
I deadlift MUCH more then Ive ever squatted. Havent done squats many times though.
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