IT jobs...are the gonna last for ever?

[Code]

The greatest tragedy of the Tech Bubble was that it allowed, even fostered, the surliness of IT staff.

I tell all my people, you are customer service. You provide your work with a smile and in a timely and courteous manner. Or you can go work at Burger King for 10 months while looking for another job.

I've hired 3 IT managers/directors in the last few yearsbbl I tell them each the same thing. You and your organization are OVERHEAD. At any point you forget that, you're fired. If anyone under you forgets that, they're fired, followed by you for not enforcing that.

IT departments that suddenly crop up as the know it all policy creation unit drives me insane. Taking the lowest common denominator knowledge and having them make coporate wide policy based on their unwillingness to do the work they're paid to do is counterproductive to a corporation.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

The greatest tragedy of the Tech Bubble was that it allowed, even fostered, the surliness of IT staff.

Well, that and the notion that people who knew HTML and Javascript were programmers.

 

[MissJanet79]

Hmm I see that IT has fallen in the past few years... it was booming in for a while...but a lot has changed. You have a lot of 20 somethings out of a job & forced to get jobs that is not IT related. You can blame places like Tata Consulting... a lot of jobs are taken by Indian workers who have an arrangement made - visas etc. & a job but they take the normally $55K-60K job at a fraction - like $30K. At my last job, the Director had Tata replace 80% of IT. You can really blame the government for that who approved it... Everything is outsourced now. Hence why the unemployment rate keeps on growing.

 

[Y_lifter]

IMO, being successful in I.T. these days almost requires a long work history in I.T.

Walking in off the street and expecting to be successfull in I.T. is rare.. (see code above)

You need to have seen all of the failures and pitfalls that have come over the years to know what to do and more important what NOT to do..

If you want to come into I.T. from another field anywhere than Entry level, I say look at Project/Program Mgmt after getting grounded in the basics of I.T. and very savy at Project/Program Management skills..

You will have a team of techies that you are driving to cost, tasks and schedule, and if you are good at that, you don't need the technical skills.
As long as you have good mid level people on your team that is..
If not then you need the history and the skills to call BS when they try to bamboozle you on what's going on with the project..

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Hmm I see that IT has fallen in the past few years... it was booming in for a while...but a lot has changed. You have a lot of 20 somethings out of a job & forced to get jobs that is not IT related. You can blame places like Tata Consulting... a lot of jobs are taken by Indian workers who have an arrangement made - visas etc. & a job but they take the normally $55K-60K job at a fraction - like $30K. At my last job, the Director had Tata replace 80% of IT. You can really blame the government for that who approved it... Everything is outsourced now. Hence why the unemployment rate keeps on growing.

Yeah, or you could "blame" market forces for realzing that a job was overpaid...followed by the ensuing correction.

 

[Code]

See, this is the problem with most folks. You simply cannot outsource infrastructure. Programmers != IT.

Hmm I see that IT has fallen in the past few years... it was booming in for a while...but a lot has changed. You have a lot of 20 somethings out of a job & forced to get jobs that is not IT related. You can blame places like Tata Consulting... a lot of jobs are taken by Indian workers who have an arrangement made - visas etc. & a job but they take the normally $55K-60K job at a fraction - like $30K. At my last job, the Director had Tata replace 80% of IT. You can really blame the government for that who approved it... Everything is outsourced now. Hence why the unemployment rate keeps on growing.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Right now, the market is saturated with under-qualified, over-certified goobers.

Meaning, I put out an ad on monster for the following...
Requirements:
Linux, Red Hat & SuSe 5 years Admin experience.
BGP Routing 3 years experience
Complete understanding of OSPF
7 years Solaris administration

And I get....
3000 applicants who have less than 5 years experience in ANYTHING IT related.
2990 of whom don't know what OSPF or BGP is.
2000 of whom have never seen a router.
2900 of whom can't figure out how to do anything in linux/unix from the command line.

Thats becuase most of the IT industry dosen't use Linux\unix. As far as OSPF and BGP, I would say the market for communications equipment engineers is hot because there still aren't a lot around that know their stuff. And if they do your going to have to pay six figures to get them.

 

[Code]

Thats becuase most of the IT industry dosen't use Linux\unix.

HUH?!?!

As far as OSPF and BGP, I would say the market for communications equipment engineers is hot because there still aren't a lot around that know their stuff. And if they do your going to have to pay six figures to get them.

Yes, it is hard to find someone proficient in BGP and OSPF. And Yes, it's a six figure position.

 

[strongsmartsexy]

Yes, it is hard to find someone proficient in BGP and OSPF. And Yes, it's a six figure position.

So are Oracle DBAdmins *shudder*

 

[Code]

So are Oracle DBAdmins *shudder*

Now THAT you can outsource Wicked cheap.

I have a PhD CS, Oracle DB admin I pay 11 bucks an hour in the Philippines.