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Don't you mean diseased urine, piss boy?
Israeli bulldozer kills American protester
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"Not on your best day junior. You opened the door by popping off about going off to "kill some Iraqi ass" or whatever the hell that means. "But uh, I gotta finish school first." Translation: I'm a pussy who's all talk."
Jimsbbc: My guess is that you are attending Stephen F. Austin State University in Nacogdoches, TexASS and that you will be 28 this month. The military does not want you anymore as you are too old if you have not already served prior to the age of twenty five. So it looks like another case of a right wing republican chicken hawk with an excuse why he couldn't serve. Funny thing is that Bill Clinton used the "I was going to college excuse" too and that is "why I didn't serve" and the republicans all seemed to brand him a draft dodger even though he was on a legal deferment for college and was a legal conscientious objector anyway. You obviously aren't a conscientious objector, however. Fortunately for service evaders with a big mouth like you, there is NO draft anymore so you don't have to perform bizarre sexual acts like that big mouth fat ass slob Rush Limbaugh to get a "boil" on his buttocks to get "4F Status" and off the hook for "medical" reasons. Nonetheless, it still puts you in the same category of a chicken hawk.
I took four years off of college and volunteered for active military duty and came back and finished my last two years of college later. So put your money where you mouth is. It might do you some good to get shot at and have to pick up the pieces of what once was a human being or to try to dislodge the decapitated head of a body jammed in rubble so you can place it with the rest of the bodyparts and try to figure out what parts belong to which body and chalk it up to a learning experience instead of shooting off at the mouth about things you obviously don't know shit about. How many bodies have you placed in bodybags? How many bodies have you tagged? I have been there, have you? Don't you think at age 28 that it is about time for you to grow up?
I don't personally care if you are left wing, right wing, centrist or whatever. You are legally entitled to your opinion regardless of what anyone else thinks of it, myself included, at least for a little while longer in this country. However, I have to admit that it really DOES get my CRAW when people spout off at the mouth and are too chicken shit to do what they are so happy to volunteer others to do for them.
That is what I hate about people in their teens and twenties. They seem to have ALL the fucking answers and know it all. In twenty years from now, when you start to realize that you didn't have all the answers afterall, maybe you will start finding out what were some of the questions that you should have been asking twenty fucking years ago instead of shooting off at the mouth convinced that you had life and the world completely figured out.
The woman is dead. I find it very tragic regardless of all this crap on here. This was a clear case of murder by the dozer operator. She may have shown poor judgement entering a known war zone but nonetheless she did not deserve to be murdered. As far as I am concerned, the Israelis are NO better than the NAZIs that they criticize for their barbarism towards Jews and many others. They certainly learned oppression from the world's foremost experts. The Israelis get treated back exactly with the same degree of hate and brutality for which they respond. Likewise, so do the Palestinians. At this point, I can feel no pity for any of them because this situation is entirely due to the unreasonableness AND unrealistic expectations of both sides at present. This is likely to continue unless someone, someday in the right position(s) is big enough to figure out a way to rise above it and change it. Or the populations of both sides get so worn out on the blood letting that peace starts to look more attractive and both sides are more willing to look at more realistic options than they are willing to consider now. Sometimes I think we should supply both sides with just enough weapons so the blood letting goes through the roof and catalyzes the process where people finally say enough is enough and the price of continuing the barbaric behavior becomes too costly for all involved. Then maybe an agreement can be had. But both sides have to really want it first or it won't work.
And George W. is even more despicable than I thought if he tolerates the treatment of an American National in such a manner from our so called allies. I don't care why she was there. She could easily and forcebly been removed by security forces and if I had been on scene I would have done exactly that for her as well as everyone else's good. Don't tell me that the Israelis couldn't "manhandle" a young American woman if they had too for her own protection. I am not buying that. I was well trained by intelligence in subduing, binding and transporting prisoners. I am sure that the Israelis are absolute experts in it. It is not that fucking hard. This is a disgrace!
Honestly do you think we could take a day off from all the incredible amount of hate and intolerance that is being written on here for a day or two?
Jimsbbc: My guess is that you are attending Stephen F. Austin State University in Nacogdoches, TexASS and that you will be 28 this month. The military does not want you anymore as you are too old if you have not already served prior to the age of twenty five. So it looks like another case of a right wing republican chicken hawk with an excuse why he couldn't serve. Funny thing is that Bill Clinton used the "I was going to college excuse" too and that is "why I didn't serve" and the republicans all seemed to brand him a draft dodger even though he was on a legal deferment for college and was a legal conscientious objector anyway. You obviously aren't a conscientious objector, however. Fortunately for service evaders with a big mouth like you, there is NO draft anymore so you don't have to perform bizarre sexual acts like that big mouth fat ass slob Rush Limbaugh to get a "boil" on his buttocks to get "4F Status" and off the hook for "medical" reasons. Nonetheless, it still puts you in the same category of a chicken hawk.
I took four years off of college and volunteered for active military duty and came back and finished my last two years of college later. So put your money where you mouth is. It might do you some good to get shot at and have to pick up the pieces of what once was a human being or to try to dislodge the decapitated head of a body jammed in rubble so you can place it with the rest of the bodyparts and try to figure out what parts belong to which body and chalk it up to a learning experience instead of shooting off at the mouth about things you obviously don't know shit about. How many bodies have you placed in bodybags? How many bodies have you tagged? I have been there, have you? Don't you think at age 28 that it is about time for you to grow up?
I don't personally care if you are left wing, right wing, centrist or whatever. You are legally entitled to your opinion regardless of what anyone else thinks of it, myself included, at least for a little while longer in this country. However, I have to admit that it really DOES get my CRAW when people spout off at the mouth and are too chicken shit to do what they are so happy to volunteer others to do for them.
That is what I hate about people in their teens and twenties. They seem to have ALL the fucking answers and know it all. In twenty years from now, when you start to realize that you didn't have all the answers afterall, maybe you will start finding out what were some of the questions that you should have been asking twenty fucking years ago instead of shooting off at the mouth convinced that you had life and the world completely figured out.
The woman is dead. I find it very tragic regardless of all this crap on here. This was a clear case of murder by the dozer operator. She may have shown poor judgement entering a known war zone but nonetheless she did not deserve to be murdered. As far as I am concerned, the Israelis are NO better than the NAZIs that they criticize for their barbarism towards Jews and many others. They certainly learned oppression from the world's foremost experts. The Israelis get treated back exactly with the same degree of hate and brutality for which they respond. Likewise, so do the Palestinians. At this point, I can feel no pity for any of them because this situation is entirely due to the unreasonableness AND unrealistic expectations of both sides at present. This is likely to continue unless someone, someday in the right position(s) is big enough to figure out a way to rise above it and change it. Or the populations of both sides get so worn out on the blood letting that peace starts to look more attractive and both sides are more willing to look at more realistic options than they are willing to consider now. Sometimes I think we should supply both sides with just enough weapons so the blood letting goes through the roof and catalyzes the process where people finally say enough is enough and the price of continuing the barbaric behavior becomes too costly for all involved. Then maybe an agreement can be had. But both sides have to really want it first or it won't work.
And George W. is even more despicable than I thought if he tolerates the treatment of an American National in such a manner from our so called allies. I don't care why she was there. She could easily and forcebly been removed by security forces and if I had been on scene I would have done exactly that for her as well as everyone else's good. Don't tell me that the Israelis couldn't "manhandle" a young American woman if they had too for her own protection. I am not buying that. I was well trained by intelligence in subduing, binding and transporting prisoners. I am sure that the Israelis are absolute experts in it. It is not that fucking hard. This is a disgrace!
Honestly do you think we could take a day off from all the incredible amount of hate and intolerance that is being written on here for a day or two?
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Man, this sounds as if a serious lobster fest has been underway between you bros.
thebabydoc
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Yepcatharsis said:
Peace is only a myth...since when has it ever even existed? there is no such thing and there NEVER will be
She was an idiot....didn't deserve to die and Im not happy she died but I don't have any sympathy either, people should just know there limits and stop trying to play hero when it is a loss cause like this was.
Yea I wish there was peace peole, Im not war monger, but peace is only a pipe dream and I accept that, war will always be needed for significant change, I don't think anything of sig has ever changed "peacefully"
She was an idiot....didn't deserve to die and Im not happy she died but I don't have any sympathy either, people should just know there limits and stop trying to play hero when it is a loss cause like this was.
Yea I wish there was peace peole, Im not war monger, but peace is only a pipe dream and I accept that, war will always be needed for significant change, I don't think anything of sig has ever changed "peacefully"
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Who's Smarter?
By Cindy Osborne
The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid?, "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.
So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant?, "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:
President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)
Vice President Dick Cheney earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.
Secretary of State Colin Powell was educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country.
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77
Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge was raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.
National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981.
(Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre
Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.)
She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. She resides in Washington, D.C.
So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their educations and background:
Barbra Streisand: Completed high school
Career: Singing and acting
Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade.
Career: Singing and acting
Martin Sheen Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton.
Career: Acting
Jessica Lange Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting
Alec Baldwin Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal
Career: Acting
Julia Roberts Completed high school
Career: Acting
Sean Penn Completed High school
Career: Acting
Susan Sarandon Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.
Career: Acting
Ed Asner Completed High school
Career: Acting
George Clooney Dropped out of University of Kentucky
Career: Acting
Michael Moore Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
Career: Movie Director
Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School
Career: Acting
Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School
Career: Acting
Mike Farrell Completed High School
Career: Acting
Janeane Garofelo Dropped out of College.
Career: Stand up comedienne
Larry Hagman Attended Bard College for one year.
Career: Acting
While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.
These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, and no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep-seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after freedom-hating terrorists while going about their routine lives killed 3,000 Americans, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest,
God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.
Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.
So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?
The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!
It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.
Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.
By Cindy Osborne
The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid?, "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.
So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant?, "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:
President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)
Vice President Dick Cheney earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.
Secretary of State Colin Powell was educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country.
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77
Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge was raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.
National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981.
(Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre
Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.)
She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she earned her bachelor's degree in political science, cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. She resides in Washington, D.C.
So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their educations and background:
Barbra Streisand: Completed high school
Career: Singing and acting
Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade.
Career: Singing and acting
Martin Sheen Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton.
Career: Acting
Jessica Lange Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting
Alec Baldwin Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal
Career: Acting
Julia Roberts Completed high school
Career: Acting
Sean Penn Completed High school
Career: Acting
Susan Sarandon Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.
Career: Acting
Ed Asner Completed High school
Career: Acting
George Clooney Dropped out of University of Kentucky
Career: Acting
Michael Moore Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
Career: Movie Director
Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School
Career: Acting
Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School
Career: Acting
Mike Farrell Completed High School
Career: Acting
Janeane Garofelo Dropped out of College.
Career: Stand up comedienne
Larry Hagman Attended Bard College for one year.
Career: Acting
While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.
These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, and no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep-seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after freedom-hating terrorists while going about their routine lives killed 3,000 Americans, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest,
God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.
Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.
So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?
The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!
It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.
Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.
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NorCalBdyBldr said:
Just out of curiosity since you brought it up...what are YOUR replies to these questions you asked. If you do not wish to talk about it then it is totally understandable.
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AGREE TOTALLY!!! Just because it says she is an american citizen doesn't make her AN AMERICAN!!! I am sick of everyone complaning oh she was an american citizen waaa waaa waaa She was somewhere she didn't belong doing things that are un-american "burning our flag". So her getting ran over by a bulldozer doesn't seem to be a great loss to me. Oh and babydoc GREAT post on those knobs in hollywood.
catharsis said:
AGREE TOTALLY!!! Just because it says she is an american citizen doesn't make her AN AMERICAN!!! I am sick of everyone complaning oh she was an american citizen waaa waaa waaa She was somewhere she didn't belong doing things that are un-american "burning our flag". So her getting ran over by a bulldozer doesn't seem to be a great loss to me. Oh and babydoc GREAT post on those knobs in hollywood.
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Same bitch burning US flag, courtesy of catharsis
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