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Israel will attack Iran if it doesn't abandon its nuclear program

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Bush and allies embrace possible Iran sanctions

KRANJ, Slovenia - President Bush and European allies on Tuesday threatened tougher sanctions to squeeze Iran's finances and derail its potential pursuit of a nuclear weapon. Bush said the prospect of a nuclear-armed Iran would endanger world peace.

"They can either face isolation, or they can have better relations with all of us," Bush said of Iran's leaders while capping his final European Union-U.S. summit.

The president and EU leaders embraced new financial sanctions against Iran unless it verifiably suspends its nuclear enrichment. They said Iran must fully disclose any nuclear weapons work and allow the International Atomic Energy Agency to verify that work.

Iran is also under fire for defying three sets of U.N. Security Council sanctions and continuing to enrich uranium — which can generate both nuclear fuel and the fissile material for the core of nuclear warheads. Iran insists that it has only civilian uses in mind for its nuclear program.

The president flatly said Iran "can't be trusted with enrichment."

"A group of countries can send a clear message to the Iranians," Bush said. "And that is: we're going to continue to isolate you, we'll continue to work on sanctions, we'll find new sanctions if need be if you continue to deny the just demands of a free world."

Speaking to reporters on the lush, sun-splashed lawn near Brdo Castle, Bush also fielded questions on economic woes at home and climate change.

Bush essentially rejected the idea of possible government intervention to prop up the value of the U.S. dollar. He said he believed in a strong-dollar policy, but that world economies will end up setting the value of the dollar.

On global warming, Bush declared, "I think we can actually get an agreement on global climate change during my presidency," which ends on Jan. 20, 2009.

He said no global warming agreement can be effective without China and India. The United States has been at odds with allies about whether any climate strategy should include mandatory emission reductions, among other sticking points.

Slovenian Prime Minister Janez Jansa, the president of the European Council, said European members and the United States might have different approaches to some of its common challenges. He said a global agreement without the developing countries would be a short-term solution.

But he added "those who are the most developed have to take the leading role."

The summit, consisting of about three hours of meetings and a working lunch, took place in a modern glass building on the vast Brdo grounds in the shadow of Slovenia's jagged mountain peaks. The president had a long list of issues to cover with his European counterparts, but Iran seemed to dominate.

Six world powers — the United States, Russia, China, Britian, Germany and France — are developing a package of fresh penalties and incentives aimed at reining in Tehran's alleged atomic ambitions. The EU's foreign policy chief, Javier Solana, plans to visit Iranian leaders soon in Tehran to appeal to them to accept negotiations over the nuclear standoff.

Bush and the heads of the EU, a political and economic coalition of 27 countries that works to promote security and commerce across the continent, called on Tehran to stop its support for terrorist organizations destabilizing the Mideast. The statement said the United States and the EU would work to ensure that "Iranian banks cannot abuse the international banking system to support proliferation and terrorism."

It was unclear whether the freshly stated concern over Iranian banks meant that Europeans had signed on for the kind of tough measures the U.S. favors, such as banning business with Iranian banks, or merely represented a repeat of previous calls for closer monitoring of dealings with them.

The Bush administration has warned that Iran is using an array of deceptive practices to hide involvement in nuclear proliferation and terrorist activities.

Iran insists that it has only civilian uses in mind for its nuclear program. Yet it is under fire for defying three sets of U.N. Security Council sanctions and continuing to enrich uranium, which can generate both nuclear fuel and the fissile material for the core of nuclear warheads. Iran has also stonewalled attempts by the IAEA to delve into allegations that several Iranian projects appear to represent different components of a nuclear weapons program.

"A mutually satisfactory, negotiated solution remains open to Iran," the statement said. But the leaders also said that they would fully implement U.N. sanctions against Iran and were "ready to supplement those sanctions with additional measures."

Bush warned that if Iran ends up with a nuclear weapon, "the free world is going to say why didn't we do something about it at the time? ... Now's the time for there to be strong diplomacy."

Iran's central bank, also known as Bank Markazi, is involved in these deceptive acts, according to the U.S. government. The White House has been looking at new steps to cut off more Iranian banks from the international financial system and has been seeking backing from European allies.

Tensions over Iran are only rising. An Israeli Cabinet minister warned Friday that Israel will attack Iran if it doesn't abandon its nuclear program. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert distanced himself on Sunday from the statements but didn't explicitly reject them.

Verbal threats and political tensions have increased between Iran and Israel after Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in 2005 that Israel should be "wiped off the map."

"First of all if, if you were living in Israel you'd be a little nervous, too," Bush said. "If a leader in your neighborhood announced that they, he'd like to destroy you. And one sure way of achieving that means it through the development of a nuclear weapon. Therefore, now is the time for all of us to work together to stop them."

Bush Saudi Arabia's call for a summit between oil producing countries and consumer states to discuss soaring energy prices was "an interesting idea."

The leaders also called for the United Nations to send a team to Zimbabwe to monitor the human rights situation ahead of the second round of presidential elections on June 27. And they urged all sides to refrain from further violence over Tibet.

Bush was to fly to Berlin later Tuesday for a social dinner with German Chancellor Angela Merkel. During his weeklong stay in Europe, he also is going to Italy, France, London and Belfast.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080610/ap_on_re_eu/bush_europe
 
Do you really think Iran has the technology?
Even if it gets / acquires the technology, do you know how long it takes to build a nuke? the uranium takes what, like 50 yrs to turn radioactive for it to be used in a nuke?! Iran's only bet is to buy that shit from Russia or some other anti-US country....either way, the US has nothing to worry about...
 
the_alcatraz said:
Do you really think Iran has the technology?
Even if it gets / acquires the technology, do you know how long it takes to build a nuke? the uranium takes what, like 50 yrs to turn radioactive for it to be used in a nuke?! Iran's only bet is to buy that shit from Russia or some other anti-US country....either way, the US has nothing to worry about...


No, just another ploy for Bush and McBush and all his clonies to attack Iran because Iran threatened Israel. Just like when Saddam Hussein threatened Israel.
 
the_alcatraz said:
Do you really think Iran has the technology?
Even if it gets / acquires the technology, do you know how long it takes to build a nuke? the uranium takes what, like 50 yrs to turn radioactive for it to be used in a nuke?! Iran's only bet is to buy that shit from Russia or some other anti-US country....either way, the US has nothing to worry about...


Quite an about face from a week ago.
 
i see the sum of all fears happening in the us someday .. we cant stop everything
 
I heard there is oil in Iran. I also heard China has a bunch of hydrogen bombs. We have to do something about China, since they have hydrogen bombs, don't we? They are commie too. They are so evil. Then again they don't have oil.
 
That won't happen. It's a cold war when it comes to nukes. No country has the balls to use a nuke, because any country that does, it's WWIII and the end of the world....

Kano said:
it never ends. some country will eventually get nuked
 
the_alcatraz said:
That won't happen. It's a cold war when it comes to nukes. No country has the balls to use a nuke, because any country that does, it's WWIII and the end of the world....


bro your wrong there our crazy ass people in the world. I would not put it past the crackhead in north korea
 
Bush has been planning his attack on Iran before the attack on Iraq.
Iraq is just a stepping stone. A means to an end. A political acquisition. Iran is the real target.

Why attack China? They have cheap labor and help the US make tons of money from overseas production and manufacturing.

fistfullofsteel said:
I heard there is oil in Iran. I also heard China has a bunch of hydrogen bombs. We have to do something about China, since they have hydrogen bombs, don't we? They are commie too. They are so evil. Then again they don't have oil.
 
Kano said:
good luck attatking china

but they are so evil since they are commie. how long did we fight in vietnam to fend off their evil commie gov't take over? china has weapons of mass destruction. they have hydrogen bombs.

lol @ when usa critcized china for the amount of money china is spending on its military. china's response basically said, "fuck you and mind your own business." :lmao:
 
the_alcatraz said:
Bush has been planning his attack on Iran before the attack on Iraq.
Iraq is just a stepping stone. A means to an end. A political acquisition. Iran is the real target.

Why attack China? They have cheap labor and help the US make tons of money from overseas production and manufacturing.


because china has weapons of mass destruction :lmao: their gov't is evil too.
 
Bro, decisions to nuke a country are not done by a single dictator / ruler. the days were one man has his hand on a button and making all the decisions is over. There is always a bunch of fuckers who must give approval before that happens. Even in Iran and korea, etc...

Kano said:
bro your wrong there our crazy ass people in the world. I would not put it past the crackhead in north korea
 
the_alcatraz said:
Do you really think Iran has the technology?
Even if it gets / acquires the technology, do you know how long it takes to build a nuke? the uranium takes what, like 50 yrs to turn radioactive for it to be used in a nuke?! Iran's only bet is to buy that shit from Russia or some other anti-US country....either way, the US has nothing to worry about...

Uranium is radio-active in nature.

The process of making it usable for a nuclear bomb is enrichment, isolating the isotope 235.

Iran is doing that right now, how fast and efficient only they know. They have apparently built centrifuges to do so.

Other than building the nuke, building an effective delivery system is also a challenge.

Pakistan and India did it.

There is no reason why, given enough time, Iran cannot do the same.

As to actually using nukes, one can only hope that the MAD system provides enough deterrent.




b0und (MAD = Mutually Assured Destruction)
 
big_bad_buff said:
can't beleive he woudl even joke about it...oh wait yeah i can


he wasn't joking about it. that's a cover up. that's a poor excuse.


it's like me calling a black person racial names and then saying, "i was just joking. i'm not really racist."
 
the only countries that aren't playing our oil game is iraq, iran, and venezuela. if we get past iran venezuela is surly next
 
the_alcatraz said:
Bro, decisions to nuke a country are not done by a single dictator / ruler. the days were one man has his hand on a button and making all the decisions is over. There is always a bunch of fuckers who must give approval before that happens. Even in Iran and korea, etc...


that's why you have to build up the propaganda.
 
big_bad_buff said:
the only countries that aren't playing our oil game is iraq, iran, and venezuela. if we get past iran venezuela is surly next


Venezuela leader is so evil. we need to get rid of him too. they do have oil over there, right? cause if they don't, then we can't be bothered.
 
That's what I meant bro....but lacked the knowledge to say it better
Thank you for the correction...yes, uranium is radioactive in nature, but they need a long time to enrich it...and I dnt believe they have the technology to build a nuke....
b0und said:
Uranium is radio-active in nature.

The process of making it usable for a nuclear bomb is enrichment, isolating the isotope 235.

Iran is doing that right now, how fast and efficient only they know. They have apparently built centrifuges to do so.

Other than building the nuke, building an effective delivery system is also a challenge.

Pakistan and India did it.

There is no reason why, given enough time, Iran cannot do the same.

As to actually using nukes, one can only hope that the MAD system provides enough deterrent.




b0und (MAD = Mutually Assured Destruction)
 
Uranium is radioactive in nature, however it's weakly radioactive and it being radioactive is not the reason it's used in nukes. The reason it is used is the fact that it is fissile in nature.
 
the_alcatraz said:
That's what I meant bro....but lacked the knowledge to say it better
Thank you for the correction...yes, uranium is radioactive in nature, but they need a long time to enrich it...and I dnt believe they have the technology to build a nuke....



forget that, look at this shit that the evil russians built http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfoQsZa8F1c i don't know about you, but i think it qualifies as a weapon of mass destruction. we better attack them too. they even have oil too.
 
the_alcatraz said:
what do you mean?


You got a massive hard on at the thought of us bombing Iran...now it seems as if you understand it doesn't make any sense.

I like to think I had something to do with your change of heart.....
 
the_alcatraz said:
That's what I meant bro....but lacked the knowledge to say it better
Thank you for the correction...yes, uranium is radioactive in nature, but they need a long time to enrich it...and I dnt believe they have the technology to build a nuke....


It only took the U.S. a year to enrich the uranium used in Little Boy.

That was over 60 years ago.
 
I do not see why we hate Iran. They are nice people and have a vibrant culture that knows how to properly treat women.

The real oppressive county here is the US. They oppress everyone and it should be destroyed. Why should we let such a country exist when there are Utopia's like Iran in existence. I cannot fathom why anyone would hate Iran and like the US.
 
Army Vet said:
I do not see why we hate Iran. They are nice people and have a vibrant culture that knows how to properly treat women.

And so is Saudi Arabia and now slowly Afghanistan under Karzai (last time I checked apostasia wasnt a crime let alone one punishable by death in NA)....

I'm wondering something: how come Isreal (and Pakistan, India...) could be allowed to have the nuclear weapon but not the others ? Was there a time limit to join the club so now these countries are "grandfathered" but the others are screwed ?
 
:lmao: @ the americans making pretend to care about the welfare of citizens in another country. alot of fucked up shit going on in Africa. does anybody care? (crickets chirping) that's what i thought.


From an old article


Atrocities in Africa Not on Bush's Radar


I guess the 3.3 million people who have died in Congo since 1998 — to say nothing of the horror stories of macheted infants, incinerated villages and soldiers cannibalizing their victims — are not enough to justify a second muscular application of the Bush human rights doctrine.


http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0702-09.htm
 
This is what I think will happen in the Iran vs. Israeal. Israel has become increasing agitated with everyone in the past years including the US. Now we made them a superpower in the middleast for a reason to have an ally in case Iran or some other country shows out.. Iran will either threaten or shoot a nuke toward Israel and at that point Israel will dispatch 10 F-18 Hornets loaded with nuclear warheads and they will level Iran... I am willing to bet my life on it......
 
Arabian said:
This is what I think will happen in the Iran vs. Israeal. Israel has become increasing agitated with everyone in the past years including the US. Now we made them a superpower in the middleast for a reason to have an ally in case Iran or some other country shows out.. Iran will either threaten or shoot a nuke toward Israel and at that point Israel will dispatch 10 F-18 Hornets loaded with nuclear warheads and they will level Iran... I am willing to bet my life on it......


and let the fall out begin
 
so now bush is using the same scare tactics for iraq to basically start bombing Iran? Isn't threre some way to spy and see if they are making nuke weapons or test for radioactivity via satellite?
 
McBush's Iraq War is Iran.

Fuck Yeah!

Haliburton and Blackwater will continue to make money. The defense budget continues to grow. Soldiers have a reason to enlist.

This is fantastic for everyone involved. Except for the soldiers who'll die, but hey, freedom isn't free.

Damn you Iran for 9/11!!! You saw what we did in Iraq and Vietnam. Woo Hoo!

r
 
we have to control the world alot of nuts jobs running countrys out there
 
Army Vet said:
I do not see why we hate Iran. They are nice people and have a vibrant culture that knows how to properly treat women.

The real oppressive county here is the US. They oppress everyone and it should be destroyed. Why should we let such a country exist when there are Utopia's like Iran in existence. I cannot fathom why anyone would hate Iran and like the US.

Because every President needs an "enemy" dodohead.

There is NO MONEY in peace. You wanna be a soldier during peacetime? Lotsa soldiers served under Clinton and had to deal with base closings and shrinking budgets.

r
 
Razorguns said:
Because every President needs an "enemy" dodohead.

There is NO MONEY in peace. You wanna be a soldier during peacetime? Lotsa soldiers served under Clinton and had to deal with base closings and shrinking budgets.

r


black hawk down
 
never said it makes sense or is possible

All I said was I'd like to see it happen because I believe Iran has a hidden agenda for arab countries and it is a thread to arab countries as well

75th said:
You got a massive hard on at the thought of us bombing Iran...now it seems as if you understand it doesn't make any sense.

I like to think I had something to do with your change of heart.....
 
It's about distribution of political / military power

manny78 said:
And so is Saudi Arabia and now slowly Afghanistan under Karzai (last time I checked apostasia wasnt a crime let alone one punishable by death in NA)....

I'm wondering something: how come Isreal (and Pakistan, India...) could be allowed to have the nuclear weapon but not the others ? Was there a time limit to join the club so now these countries are "grandfathered" but the others are screwed ?
 
lol...

Iraq is a stepping stone to Iran, I think

Razorguns said:
McBush's Iraq War is Iran.

Fuck Yeah!

Haliburton and Blackwater will continue to make money. The defense budget continues to grow. Soldiers have a reason to enlist.

This is fantastic for everyone involved. Except for the soldiers who'll die, but hey, freedom isn't free.

Damn you Iran for 9/11!!! You saw what we did in Iraq and Vietnam. Woo Hoo!

r
 
I only agree partially These hostile actions are only continuing to destabilize OPEC countries... But the other reason is domestic right here in the US. The price of gas is most certainly speculative. Speculators are assuming oil is going to run out or be in extremely high demand and thus driving up the price of gasoline. The assumption is not necessarily true

manny78 said:
Say hello to $8/gallon....
 
the_alcatraz said:
never said it makes sense or is possible

All I said was I'd like to see it happen because I believe Iran has a hidden agenda for arab countries and it is a thread to arab countries as well


Its racist to assume another ethnic group is racist.

You Persian hater you.
 
I am not racist bro.
You may chose to believe what you want.
Iran has a hidden agenda for arab countries.

75th said:
Its racist to assume another ethnic group is racist.

You Persian hater you.
 
This gets back to that race thread we were having
I agree with this , but I think it crosses country lines.

I think most of Iran is Shiite Muslims and hence I would agree that they would definitely have agendas for other Shiites especially ones in Iraq

This can be good or bad depending on your point of view

the_alcatraz said:
I am not racist bro.
You may chose to believe what you want.
Iran has a hidden agenda for arab countries.
 
Exactly my point. They are shiites of persian decent and they want to establish muslim shiite rule, which as you may imagine is quite a bad idea

gjohnson5 said:
This gets back to that race thread we were having
I agree with this , but I think it crosses country lines.

I think most of Iran is Shiite Muslims and hence I would agree that they would definitely have agendas for other Shiites especially ones in Iraq

This can be good or bad depending on your point of view
 
gjohnson5 said:
This can be good or bad depending on your point of view

Meaning if you're shiite - you will hate sunnis.

If you're sunni - you will hate shiites.

Nobody likes the kurds, they're useless.

Befriending one another, or marry one another - can result in death.

And now you understand how the middle east has worked for centuries. Enjoy your day.

r
 
That is not a very inaccurate description.

Razorguns said:
Meaning if you're shiite - you will hate sunnis.

If you're sunni - you will hate shiites.

Nobody likes the kurds, they're useless.

Befriending one another, or marry one another - can result in death.

And now you understand how the middle east has worked for centuries. Enjoy your day.

r
 
gjohnson5 said:
I only agree partially These hostile actions are only continuing to destabilize OPEC countries... But the other reason is domestic right here in the US. The price of gas is most certainly speculative. Speculators are assuming oil is going to run out or be in extremely high demand and thus driving up the price of gasoline. The assumption is not necessarily true

But any problem in the middle east is going to drive speculation up. Doesnt take that much for the market to go crazy.
 
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