Iso-AGB simply the best supp. I have ever used.

[biteme]

Just call me a skeptic by nature, you guys sound like an advertisment for this stuff. Do you work for the company that manufactures it?

 

[2BIG4URMOM]

some people get most or even all their protein from shakes. 150g from shakes is not the high end.

as a note- ISO-AGB is the highest protein content and lowest impurities of any isolate. And it has acetyl-l-glutamine and Betaine- both of which will have significant impact on amino uptake, recovery and anabolism. It is very reasonably priced, given the cost of the raw materials.

I never flame peeps and I'll try not to do it now, and I respect you Macro and I've read a lot of your posts. But, saying 5 servings is not the high end what would you say the high end is?

....and saying that Betaine has shown to have significant impact on amino uptake, recovery and anabolism, I'm sorry but I have to laugh my ass of on that one.

Betaine the ANTIHOMOCYSTINURIC? Betaine is used to treat the lack of certain enzymes that causes to much homocysteine(an amino acid in the blood, related to coronary heart disease, strokes,etc.) in the blood and urine.- side effects diarrhea, nausea and upset stomach.

Like I said I've played the games before, and I'm still not sold!

 

[georgie24]

this is ridiculous

 

[macrophage69alpha]

actually there is good evidence that betaine has impact on lean mass as well as fat deposition in several animal models.

J Anim Sci. 2001 Mar;79(3):722-8. Related Articles, Links


Effects of betaine on growth, carcass characteristics, pork quality, and plasma metabolites of finishing pigs.

Matthews JO, Southern LL, Higbie AD, Persica MA, Bidner TD.

Department of Animal Science, Louisiana State University Agricultural Center, Baton Rouge, 70803-4210, USA.

An experiment was conducted to determine the effect of dietary betaine (0, 0.125, 0.250, or 0.500%) on growth, carcass traits, pork quality, plasma metabolites, and tissue betaine concentrations of cross-bred finishing pigs. Four replications of three pigs (two barrows and one gilt) each were used for each treatment. The basal diet contained 0.85 (69 to 88 kg BW) or 0.65% Lys (88 to 115 kg BW). Overall ADG and gain:feed were not affected (P > 0.10) by betaine, but overall ADFI was decreased (quadratic, P < 0.05; 0 vs betaine, P < 0.01) by betaine; pigs fed 0.250% betaine had the lowest ADFI. Loin muscle area, average back-fat, dressing percentage, percentage lean, total fat, lean:fat, and leaf fat weight were not affected (P > 0.10) by betaine. Tenth-rib backfat thickness was decreased (quadratic, P < 0.05; 0 vs betaine, P < 0.05); pigs fed 0.250% betaine had the lowest 10th-rib backfat thickness. Carcass length was increased (linear, P < 0.05; 0 vs betaine, P < 0.10) as the level of betaine was increased. Fat-free lean, lean gain per day, ham weight, ham fat-free lean, and ham percentage lean were increased (quadratic, P < 0.10), but percentage fat, total ham fat, percentage ham fat, and butt-fat thickness were decreased (quadratic, P < 0.10); these traits were respectively highest or lowest in pigs fed 0.250% betaine. Thaw loss and 24-h pH were increased (quadratic, P < 0.10; 0 vs betaine, P < 0.05) and cook loss was decreased (linear, P < 0.05) in pigs fed betaine. The CIE L* value for the biceps femoris was decreased (quadratic, P < 0.10; 0 vs betaine, P < 0.10); pigs fed 0.250% betaine had the lowest CIE L* value. Subjective color, firmness-wetness, marbling, percentage moisture and bound water of the loin muscle, and shear force were not affected (P > 0.10) by betaine. Betaine was not detectable (< 0.07 mg/g) in the loin muscle of pigs fed 0% betaine, but betaine was detectable and relatively constant in pigs fed 0.125, 0.250, or 0.500% betaine (0.22, 0.17, and 0.21 mg/g, respectively). Plasma urea N, total protein, albumin, triglycerides, and HDL cholesterol concentrations were not affected (P > 0.10). Plasma total cholesterol (linear, P < 0.10) and NEFA (quadratic, P < 0.10) were increased in pigs fed betaine. Betaine improved carcass traits when provided at 0.250% of the diet and improved some aspects of pork quality.

but liver and cardio health were big factors in adding it as well, considering the population. IE.. a great number of anabolics/PH users frequent the stores that carry it. Not to mention that coronary disease is one of the biggest killers.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

do a search on pubmed. betaine and muscle. there are a lot of studies. How much it translates?? but there are other aspect including liver health- that will have at least indirect positive impact on anabolism.

 

[georgie24]

how come muscle tech hasnt formulated its own? god knows they have the funding so thats no problem

 

[macrophage69alpha]

they dont spend money on the actual products- just advertising them

 

[2BIG4URMOM]

actually there is good evidence that betaine has impact on lean mass as well as fat deposition in several animal models.

J Anim Sci. 2001 Mar;79(3):722-8. Related Articles, Links


Effects of betaine on growth, carcass characteristics, pork quality, and plasma metabolites of finishing pigs.

Matthews JO, Southern LL, Higbie AD, Persica MA, Bidner TD.

Department of Animal Science, Louisiana State University Agricultural Center, Baton Rouge, 70803-4210, USA.

An experiment was conducted to determine the effect of dietary betaine (0, 0.125, 0.250, or 0.500%) on growth, carcass traits, pork quality, plasma metabolites, and tissue betaine concentrations of cross-bred finishing pigs. Four replications of three pigs (two barrows and one gilt) each were used for each treatment. The basal diet contained 0.85 (69 to 88 kg BW) or 0.65% Lys (88 to 115 kg BW). Overall ADG and gain:feed were not affected (P > 0.10) by betaine, but overall ADFI was decreased (quadratic, P < 0.05; 0 vs betaine, P < 0.01) by betaine; pigs fed 0.250% betaine had the lowest ADFI. Loin muscle area, average back-fat, dressing percentage, percentage lean, total fat, lean:fat, and leaf fat weight were not affected (P > 0.10) by betaine. Tenth-rib backfat thickness was decreased (quadratic, P < 0.05; 0 vs betaine, P < 0.05); pigs fed 0.250% betaine had the lowest 10th-rib backfat thickness. Carcass length was increased (linear, P < 0.05; 0 vs betaine, P < 0.10) as the level of betaine was increased. Fat-free lean, lean gain per day, ham weight, ham fat-free lean, and ham percentage lean were increased (quadratic, P < 0.10), but percentage fat, total ham fat, percentage ham fat, and butt-fat thickness were decreased (quadratic, P < 0.10); these traits were respectively highest or lowest in pigs fed 0.250% betaine. Thaw loss and 24-h pH were increased (quadratic, P < 0.10; 0 vs betaine, P < 0.05) and cook loss was decreased (linear, P < 0.05) in pigs fed betaine. The CIE L* value for the biceps femoris was decreased (quadratic, P < 0.10; 0 vs betaine, P < 0.10); pigs fed 0.250% betaine had the lowest CIE L* value. Subjective color, firmness-wetness, marbling, percentage moisture and bound water of the loin muscle, and shear force were not affected (P > 0.10) by betaine. Betaine was not detectable (< 0.07 mg/g) in the loin muscle of pigs fed 0% betaine, but betaine was detectable and relatively constant in pigs fed 0.125, 0.250, or 0.500% betaine (0.22, 0.17, and 0.21 mg/g, respectively). Plasma urea N, total protein, albumin, triglycerides, and HDL cholesterol concentrations were not affected (P > 0.10). Plasma total cholesterol (linear, P < 0.10) and NEFA (quadratic, P < 0.10) were increased in pigs fed betaine. Betaine improved carcass traits when provided at 0.250% of the diet and improved some aspects of pork quality.

but liver and cardio health were big factors in adding it as well, considering the population. IE.. a great number of anabolics/PH users frequent the stores that carry it. Not to mention that coronary disease is one of the biggest killers.

Too many variables come into play in this study. It doesn't give age of the pigs(which could have led up to carcass growth), enviroments, feed, etc. Most studies can be manipulized, not enough info on this one.

I also didn't mention a certain body order is given off while using Betaine, I guess that is why they chose to use pigs in this study.

I like your composure Macro, heres some Karma for ya!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

with respect to pigs, it is more the issue of excrement and emissions of methane. Due to the fact that human flora is quite different.. this is much less an issue.

as to the study in particular, there are numerous others. All found that there was some impact on fat mass and lean muscle. less in some more in others.

 

[Dial_tone]

As much as I love the AF store prods, and I am sure this is a great formula, there is no way in hell that I could ever afford to take that protien with the amount that I take it. And I dont even take all that much compared to some folks. I have 3 shakes per day with 50g of isolate. I buy my protien in 20kg (50lb) bags, for an extremely low price. Before people say ... oh ya .. but its shit quality. Well its not, its very high quality actually. Its not 97.8%, but its good, if you read the tech sheets, its 94% min. And for the price, it cant be beat. Here are the techincal stats on it.

http://www.vitalus.com/products/

I agree. I tend not to eat a tremendous amount of meat so I probably get 50-60% of my protein from shakes. I plan to try to buy one cheap brand for quantity and one costlier brand for quality. Even still this stuff may be over my limit....might be better to just buy more salmon fillets.