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tboy72 said:what part of the thread do you hate? i did get a good answer........if there test tested that high post cycle i would like to know what type of pct he ran......unless theres another part of the thread you dont like?
Bulldog_10 said:Here's what I don't like about it:
Just because your blood work says your shit is back to normal, WHY does that mean it's ok to throw it out of whack again? Who was the genius that decided this was healthy? The fact is, it is not healthy...and every time this question is asked (quite often) the same answers come up...and the falacies are perpetuated.
There's a reason your body returns to homeostasis after your cycles, that's where it wants to be. It wants to be stable. So as soon as it becomes stable, people think it's ok to destabilize it again under the false pretense that it is healthier that way. Fluctuations such as these are not healthy as much as people want to believe that it is good for you.
People are just gonna keep telling themselves as long as their bloodwork is ok, they can fuck it up again because that's what they want to believe, it's easier that way.
Personally, I don't see the need to live cycle to cycle. Gains can be made naturally, and when you hit a plateau, there are ways around it. And when you've exhausted all options to get around a plateau, hit the sauce. Then come off the sauce and start over again. I find it hard to believe that 6-8 weeks after a 12-week cycle it is already possible that gains have ceased permanently, making another cycle the safest option available to make more gains.
I don't know what else to say...but I see alot of people thinking along these lines...and it's just gonna lead to a downward spiral, eventually leading to HRT, and it doesn't need to be that way.
Just my 2 cents...Listen if you want.
Bulldog_10 said:Here's what I don't like about it:
Just because your blood work says your shit is back to normal, WHY does that mean it's ok to throw it out of whack again? Who was the genius that decided this was healthy? The fact is, it is not healthy...and every time this question is asked (quite often) the same answers come up...and the falacies are perpetuated.
There's a reason your body returns to homeostasis after your cycles, that's where it wants to be. It wants to be stable. So as soon as it becomes stable, people think it's ok to destabilize it again under the false pretense that it is healthier that way. Fluctuations such as these are not healthy as much as people want to believe that it is good for you.
People are just gonna keep telling themselves as long as their bloodwork is ok, they can fuck it up again because that's what they want to believe, it's easier that way.
Personally, I don't see the need to live cycle to cycle. Gains can be made naturally, and when you hit a plateau, there are ways around it. And when you've exhausted all options to get around a plateau, hit the sauce. Then come off the sauce and start over again. I find it hard to believe that 6-8 weeks after a 12-week cycle it is already possible that gains have ceased permanently, making another cycle the safest option available to make more gains.
I don't know what else to say...but I see alot of people thinking along these lines...and it's just gonna lead to a downward spiral, eventually leading to HRT, and it doesn't need to be that way.
Just my 2 cents...Listen if you want.
well the person that I'm speaking of had EVERYTHING checked, and his liver enzymes and everything else were fine...So is this is the case...No lipid problems,recovered hpta,normal liver and kidney finction, what would be the probelm ???Dial_tone said:What I hate about these threads is the knuckleheads that seem to think HPTA is the only thing that needs a chance to return to normal function. You guys ever consider giving your liver and kidneys a break? potentially enlarged heart? Pro BBer's are dropping like flies yet everytime somebody on a board reports they've been on 6+ months every Tom, Dick & Harry wants to know what their cycle was. All too many of these long cycle guys never got their bloodwork done so who cares how they "feel". Everybody thinks they're different...they're invincible....it won't happen to them. Good luck to ya.