Is this cycle too much?

[marshallmadman]

This will be my 4th real cycle. Been lifting consistently for about 15 years. Current stats: 6' 1" 235 pounds @ roughly 12% b.f. Cycle is as follows:

1000mg Sustanon/wk.
600mg. Eq./wk
100mg. Injectable Winny every day.

That works out to 2.3 grams/week. This is a "cutting" cycle. If I'm going to run that much winny, should I wait til week 5 to start it. I could jump start weeks 1-4 with Tbol @60mg/day, I suppose.

My other inclination is to run the Sust @ 500mg/wk and the EQ @ 400mg/wk. Input would be appreciated. This is going to be a 12 weeker, b.t.w.

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

This will be my 4th real cycle. Been lifting consistently for about 15 years. Current stats: 6' 1" 235 pounds @ roughly 12% b.f. Cycle is as follows:

1000mg Sustanon/wk.
600mg. Eq./wk
100mg. Injectable Winny every day.

That works out to 2.3 grams/week. This is a "cutting" cycle. If I'm going to run that much winny, should I wait til week 5 to start it. I could jump start weeks 1-4 with Tbol @60mg/day, I suppose.

My other inclination is to run the Sust @ 500mg/wk and the EQ @ 400mg/wk. Input would be appreciated. This is going to be a 12 weeker, b.t.w.

maybe later w winny but looks fine

 

[marshallmadman]

So I'm thinkin'

Week 1-12 1000mg Sustanon
Week 1-12 600mg of EQ
Week 1-4 60mg Tbol E.D.
Week 5-12 100mg Inj Winny E.D.

More opinions? I think this is a hell of a lot of gear for a cutter, and I'm wondering if I should cut it down.

 

[UFC22]

Week 1-12 1000mg Sustanon
Week 1-12 600mg of EQ
Week 1-4 60mg Tbol E.D.
Week 5-12 100mg Inj Winny E.D.

That looks like an awsome cycle, but maybe a little much. I'm drewling actually...lol...
Why not cut your sus down to 750mgs & keep your EQ right where it is. You know as well as i do that most dont see great gains at under 600mgs of Eq (from what people say). What was your previous cycle like?

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

So I'm thinkin'

Week 1-12 1000mg Sustanon
Week 1-12 600mg of EQ
Week 1-4 60mg Tbol E.D.
Week 5-12 100mg Inj Winny E.D.

More opinions? I think this is a hell of a lot of gear for a cutter, and I'm wondering if I should cut it down.

you need more for a cutter

 

[flyingjer]

see i have heard conflicting opinions on this, why do you say you need more for a cutter?

 

[southeastar]

see i have heard conflicting opinions on this, why do you say you need more for a cutter?

in my opinion i think 1g sust per week is too much for a cutter and it will give you troubles to cut down.

 

[UFC22]

You will want to use Armidex at 1mg ED for a g of test if cutting.

 

[boops]

you need more for a cutter

hes got it here, you need higher amounts of androgens on cutting cycles....so what you have posted originally is fine, leave out the tbol, simplicity is key......goodluck bro

 

[marshallmadman]

Why do you say leave out the tbol? I am really excited about trying injectable winny. I have tried oral winstrol in the past with marginal results. I think I will leave everything where it is, and starve myself into shape.

 

[boops]

Why do you say leave out the tbol? I am really excited about trying injectable winny. I have tried oral winstrol in the past with marginal results. I think I will leave everything where it is, and starve myself into shape.

ehh just said leave out the tbol as for me 3 things is good enough.......again bro you want to run the tbol run the tbol, was just my opinion...i liked injects a little better as the BD 50mgs i had i believed to be a little underdosed, i had to up the doseage on them to 100mg where with the injects 50mg daily was plenty for me....get ripped bro.....

 

[marshallmadman]

For the first 4 weeks, if I don't run tbol, I will only be on Sust/EQ. The only thing working will be the Prop. in the Sustanon, so I would think that the tbol would be a good idea. I'm not starting the winny til week 5.

 

[boops]

For the first 4 weeks, if I don't run tbol, I will only be on Sust/EQ. The only thing working will be the Prop. in the Sustanon, so I would think that the tbol would be a good idea. I'm not starting the winny til week 5.

ehhh on second thought just run it as you have planned as you seem yolked to run the tbol......

 

[cswole]

How much test have you done in previous cycles? If no more than 750 mg/w don't fix it if it ain't broken. If you need 1g, go with it.

Also, do you already have your gear on hand? If not I'd suggest changing to Test E or Cyp if you want 2x weekly injections. If you are going to go ED or EoD(which you need to do with sust, to get better gains and less sides) just run prop, you'll get more out of your 12 weeks this way 100-150 mg/ED depending on how much total you want. That'd be 700-1050mg per week.

Everything else looks great. Get some Adex to run throughout at probably 1mg/ed

 

[marshallmadman]

I have enough winny to inject 100mg everyday til doomsday, Boops. I really don't care about running the tbol, I could run 50mg dbol e.d. instead if I wanted to, and I just might. The only thing I was thinking is that it takes so long for EQ to kick in and the only thing I'll be "feeling" is the Propionate in the Sustanon. I was thinking that an oral would help me get thing moving more quickly. I suppose, if I started the Winstrol immediately, it would do the same thing, but Winny is way harsh on the liver. That's really the reason I only want to run it 7 weeks.

 

[Tux]

Tbol is just as hard on the liver as winny bro, so is dbol, so is anadrol. With the exception of low-dose anavar and halotestin, all 17aa's take approximately the same toll on the liver per mg. If you want to run tbol or dbol at the beginning, I'd give yourself a couple weeks break before you start the winny. Take lots of liver protectants, and cholesterol supplements if you can, winny is probably the worst oral there is on lipids. Also I'd use aromasin instead of adex, also easier on your lipids.

 

[Makavelli]

The cycle looks great. Just use the winstrol from weeks 5-12. That will give you 8 weeks on it. Keep in mind that while dieting you actually need more AAS so that you keep your muscle. Dieting is catabolic. When bulking you can use less because you are in an anabolic state, or should be if you are eating right, and therefore will not risk losing muscle. I think the doses are good.

 

[bigtravis]

So I'm thinkin'

Week 1-12 1000mg Sustanon
Week 1-12 600mg of EQ
Week 1-4 60mg Tbol E.D.
Week 5-12 100mg Inj Winny E.D.

More opinions? I think this is a hell of a lot of gear for a cutter, and I'm wondering if I should cut it down.

thats a winner.