Is this a myth or not (about first cycle)

[youlikeadajuice?]

I was told in the gym today, that a first cycle of test (they didn't specify which one; Would do more than just build mass, but it would also cut.

The story goes, this guys took a 500mg/wk test cycle at about 20% BF, and ended his cycle at 8%BF and put on 20 pounds of lbm.

Does this sound legit, because if not, I really want to call this guy out on it. He reminds me of Gilad from those old ESPN morning workouts.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

it can happen, but whether it is a first cycle or not has little to do with it, although someone doing their first cycle is likely to have fairly drastic body changes compared to people on their nth cycle.

i get the feeling though, that those stats etc were before he crashed, and include all his fluid gains as 'lbm'

i started a thread/poll asking simething like this in this forum. look for it and you will get to see the first cycle results of about 30 guys

cheers

 

[buckwheat1]

I was told in the gym today, that a first cycle of test (they didn't specify which one; Would do more than just build mass, but it would also cut.

The story goes, this guys took a 500mg/wk test cycle at about 20% BF, and ended his cycle at 8%BF and put on 20 pounds of lbm.

Does this sound legit, because if not, I really want to call this guy out on it. He reminds me of Gilad from those old ESPN morning workouts.

I think some pretty impressive things can happen on your first cycle especially if you are young and you haven't actually filled out on your own.

When I was 18-20 years old, I only weighted in around 150. If I would have have taken 500mg/wk test + ate like a horse and trained hard, it might have been possible for me to see 20lbs of LBM.

But later in life you add LBM naturally and through weight training. To add 20 pounds in one cycle becomes much harder if not impossible.

To add 20 pounds of LBM and lose any significant amount of weight is not possible in my opinion. So, myth as far as I am concerned.

It might be possible to gain 20lbs while on cycle and actually lose some weight. But a big portion of the 20lbs gained would be water that would be shed at the end of the cycle. Leaving you with a small LBM gain + some weight loss.

 

[Ulter]

You left out some important facts like how long his cycle was and what his starting and ending weight were. But I doubt that anyone could do that on a first cycle of say 8 weeks using nothing but test. I'd have to throw the bullshit flag on that one.

 

[bigp3]

I call bullshit also,,, 20lbs is a nice gain for a years worth of work

 

[amactruck]

im glad someone put this post up. a girl im dating told me that the boy next to her in class informed her thet he had put on a nice 30 pounds of muscle since he started school in september, juice free. i told her the guy was an idiot and that was pretty near impossible. im gonna slap this kid.
p.s. im on week one of a sust cycle and weigh 225 14% i would love to get down to about 10% while keeping some of my size.. with the proper diet is that reasonable?

 

[Nighthawkk]

It all comes down to diet IMO. AAS can either help you reach an anabolic state and stay in a positive nitrogen balance to hasten muscle hypertrophy (growth)... or if used to "cut", they help prevent cortisol levels from building during dieting and keep you in an anti-catabolic state, meaning you are not losing muscle nearly as much as fat. Keeping this in mind, steroids are just a tool to help you acheive your goals, but only AFTER your diet and training are on par with what your goals are. I don't know how many times this can be reiterated, but I hope this helps a bit.

 

[GoldenDelicious]

yeah amactruck it is possible, but as NH stated, diet and training, as well as good pct will play a huge role. depends on a lot of stuff, and you mightnt gain THAT much lbm, but yeah, you can get close

 

[amactruck]

i have no problem with training but the diet is hard to stick to. i have no problem eating healthy but im a student so the $$ is a little low. i also noticed that my appetite has imcreased significantly. is that just because im training harder? any tips on eating right on a tight budget would really help.. i mean im buying 'outside round' steaks just to get the protein into me. i eat tuna and salmon all the time.. thanks guys!

 

[Ulter]

No one would disagree that diet is the key to success but if this guy is saying that in one 8-10 week cycle he added 20 pounds of LBM while cutting 25 pound of fat on nothing but 500mg/wk of test, he's full of poo. He doesn't say what the guy weighed at the start so I am rounding from 200 pounds.

 

[youlikeadajuice?]

He told me he weighed about 200 lbs @ 20%, and ended at 8% and 196.

I didn't ask him how his diet was, because I didn't want to act like I was paying attention to him, because I know he is full of shit.

Just from what I've read on here, I thought it was not true, but the fact that it was his first cycle, and that he didn't seem to have much lbm on a rather large frame (160lb) - threw me off, and made me wonder.


*edit: by the way, he is as tall as me, or maybe an inch taller 6' or 6' 1''

 

[HAYEZ]

No one would disagree that diet is the key to success .

surprising enough but i just had someone tell me my 2 cents were worthless when i told them diet was the main factor in working out and without a good diet you will not see the best gains

 

[BigAndy69]

His 8% was more like 12-13% and the 20% was probably more like 17-18%

People tend to exagerate.

 

[buckwheat1]

I stick with my assertion that it is impossible to gain 20lb of LBM while at the same losing any significant weight. When he says cycle, I assume that this means a 8-12 week period which is standard.

If his "cycle" went on for 12 months, then it could be possible.

 

[bigp3]

here is a quick way to realize how much 20lbs of lean mass actually is. Go to your local grocery market and look at what a lb of lean steak looks like. Then ask yourself did my buddy really add that much muscle.

 

[Ulter]

No he didn't add 20 pounds of lean mass and go from 20 to 8%. It's not going to happen with only 500mg of test. Even at 12 weeks. If you said he was using GH, thermos, T3, insulin, and Tren I might believe it.

 

[needsize]

some people claim to lose bf and gain mass at the same time, but I've run 4 times that much test and never dropped any bf while mass building, only gained size