Is there anybody, who ran S-4 at 50 mg/day and measured his test levels?

[EliteFitnessGuy]

No shrinkage with me, I felt no suppression at 50mgs

Well, guys, I also felt quite fine, when I finished my Anavar cycle. And my testosterone was 11 ng/dl. And 5 weeks later, I already thought I was fully recovered, but my tesosterone level was at 25% of the usual male average. Feelings tell nothing. You must have exact numbers at hand.

I found out that even 30 mg S-4/day (used as PCT) was not able to prevent strength loss at the brutal level of suppression in me. And 35 mg/day turned out to be the minimum. These doses obviously didn't interfere with the process of recovery, because my test levels increased from 11 ng/dl to 132 ng/dl after nearly 5 weeks, but they may have slowed it down. I don't know my normal testosterone values, but I should have at least 400 ng/dl. (I am 36 years old, and at this age the average level is around 500 ng/dl.) The initial increase of testosterone concentration after a long cycle is relatively slow, but I am afraid that with this pace, I would reach full recovery as long as after 3 months.

Being irritated by the unnecessary strength loses, I just increased my dosage of S-4 up to 45 mg/day, at least for 10 days, but I don't exclude that it could further complicate my PCT. I see I should use some proper PCT anyway, but Nolva doesn't seem to be an optimal solution at this time, because my doctor currently prescribed me a therapy by Accutane. The overload of the liver could be too harsh. However, I will again check my testosterone levels in mid-April and I will decide, what to do further. In the meantime, I would be curious about your own experience.

 

[EliteFitnessGuy]

I am further quoting interesting info from a recent review of S-4 (here "8"):
http://www.udel.edu/chem/bahnson/chem645/Li-3.pdf

"Peripheral Selectivity of 8. The target population for
SARMs will generally be intact (i.e., not castrated) adults or
postmenopausal women. As such, maintaining the endogenous
androgenic and estrogenic tone by not suppressing the HPG
axis is crucially important. Yin et al.50 examined the effects of
8 on serum LH and FSH levels to investigate whether 8 acts as
an AR agonist in the central nervous system (i.e., HPG
suppression detected as LH and FSH suppression). As expected,
castrated rats had a significant elevation in plasma LH and FSH
levels compared with intact controls. 8 partially suppressed LH
and FSH production but only at supratherapeutic doses (i.e.,
>0.5 mg/day vs ED50[LA] ) 0.14 mg/d) (Table 1), suggesting
anabolic effects can be exerted without suppressing the HPG
axis. Interestingly, FSH was less sensitive to suppression by 8
than LH, an observation also seen with other SARMs."

 

[RADAR]

RADAR didnt you already start your dbol cycle?

I popstponed it after a few 5 mgs tabs in due to 2 deaths in the family and one week after that,my younger brother had a stroke, so i'm clean.

I still suspect so suppression from SARMS as once i used it ,there was party in my pants for a few days then i died off,after that i have had no desire.

We shall see soon.
RADAR

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Sounds about right...sorry to hear about that...but good luck with whatever you decide to do now.

-Legacy

 

[Nelson Montana]

I popstponed it after a few 5 mgs tabs in due to 2 deaths in the family and one week after that,my younger brother had a stroke, so i'm clean.

I still suspect so suppression from SARMS as once i used it ,there was party in my pants for a few days then i died off,after that i have had no desire.

We shall see soon.
RADAR

Sorry to hear that bro. My condolences and I hope your brother recovers well.

 

[RADAR]

Appreciate the thoughts guys.


RADAR