Is there any difference between Shoulder & Military Press?

[TomoUK]

I’ve been focusing on the push press for a little while now… I bend my legs and explode the weight up, but recently as the weight had been getting high (for me that is), I’ve put in a second bend in the knees as the weight is on the way up, so I’m dropping under it and catching the weight at the top… I was wondering if I’m venturing into ‘jerk’ territory?

Either way, I’m loving the movement, and managed a PB the other day of my bodyweight (90kgs), pretty chuffed with that. Cant wait till I’m putting 2 plates aside over head!!

Cheers
GT

Yeah a push or power-jerk involves re-bending the legs to recieve the bar lower and then standing up with it, so it does sound like your doing that, although obviously for it to be jerk the bar has to go straight from the shoulder to lock out without any pressing. you can see the different exercises demontrated here

http://www.crossfit.com/cf-info/excercise.html

 

[gtjacko]

Yeah a push or power-jerk involves re-bending the legs to recieve the bar lower and then standing up with it, so it does sound like your doing that, although obviously for it to be jerk the bar has to go straight from the shoulder to lock out without any pressing. you can see the different exercises demontrated here

http://www.crossfit.com/cf-info/excercise.html

Much appreciated… ‘push-jerk’ it is then… that is definitely what my push press has evolved into. Thanks for the link mate… I’m impressed with how explosive that lass is, I’ll have to work a bit more on that!!

Great stuff

Cheers
GT

 

[deathdroprob]

I do seated DB press with my back againts the bench bar with hand rotation. And later in the routine I also do the same but with a barbbell and put a rake across the bench to lean on hahaha. I do my shoulders in my shed on saturdays abut the rest at the gym. Can youse tell me excatly these excerisses are?

 

[Smurfy]

Yeah a push or power-jerk involves re-bending the legs to recieve the bar lower and then standing up with it, so it does sound like your doing that, although obviously for it to be jerk the bar has to go straight from the shoulder to lock out without any pressing. you can see the different exercises demontrated here

http://www.crossfit.com/cf-info/excercise.html

great stuff there,. thanks for posting

 

[Inhibitor13]

Try doing a bradford press...I tried it and love it !

 

[al420]

behind the neck? fuck that! tear out my shoulder sockets why dontcha!

Sillyness. BTN work done w/ a barbell is just fine. The bar starts where you squat, and ends in a snatch. If you go to narrow I could see how a shoulder could get aggrevated, but that is just doing them improperly.

Doing BTN work on a Smith on the other hand is a recipe for disaster IMO.

BTW - I have had RC issues on both shoulders and BTN work does not bother them in the slightest. Flat Bench is the worst, but going CG makes them just fine. SO, WG BTN's and CG FLats for me.

I also prefer the Jerk over any other pressing movement. It is BY FAR the hardest press for me to execute properly, and I would only be doing those w/ bumbers.

Putting silly amounts of weight overhead is just cool.

 

[silver_shadow]

Putting silly amounts of weight overhead is just cool.

yep! my gym has a number of mirrors and when i've locked out an OHP i get a chance to see myself in the mirror... kind of vain but a nice feeling

 

[Protobuilder]

Flat Bench is the worst, but going CG makes them just fine. SO, WG BTN's and CG FLats for me.

+1

Flat bench can be a real shoulder wrecker, but maybe that just means people are doing it "wrong" (e.g., elbows not tucked, upper back not tight, etc.). I just stay away from it now too and do nothing but close-grip work or board presses.

IMHO, a person should be able to do BTN presses. Caution is required and it's not something you want to just jump right into. But you should have the shoulder flexibilty to do it. And if not, you need to work on it. Hell, many people can't even lock out a normal military press behind their head b/c their shoulder girdle is so fucked. Every healthy male should have the flexibility to lock out in teh snatch position. If you can do that, you can do BTN presses.

if you're really worried about it, do a bit of a push press to get out of the very bottom part of the ROM, but press the rest of the way.

 

[Kabeetz]

And if you CAN'T do that stuff... you need to make it a priority to do it right and THEN add weight... instead of learning the movement sloppily. It really doesn't take more than a few weeks to get your body in line for anything.

I had trouble with my heels lifting when I started squatting, so I improved my hamstring flexibility.. I had trouble with keeping elbows out in rack position with the power cleans, I'm working on my wrist flexibility... etc.

There should be no "I can't" so therefor "I won't"

 

[Protobuilder]

There are still a lot of people (including some knowledgeable & well-respected trainers) who say "don't press BTN!!" I don't really see it as any diff't than saying "don't squat past parallel!" yeah you can fuck yourself up, as you can with any lift, if you do it sloppy or go past your limit. I guess maybe the risk is greater than the reward to them. A fucked rotator cuff is no laughing matter, so I could see avoiding BTN work, when front presses are about the same movement, just w/ less risk. Still though, personally, I think w/ good flexibility and attention to form, you SHOULD be able to do a full BTN press, push press, jerk, snatch lockout, etc., without any problem. Same way as you SHOULD be able to sink into a deep squat position w/out falling over, roudning your back, etc. And if you can't, you need to work on it. Eventually everyone can do it.