Is the groundfighting becoming obsolete?

[Djimbe]

What Im saying has nothign to DO with "Classic Styles" Im talking about Competitions here . Juso is all about the Throw , San Shou/San Da Comps didnt really do much Ground work , even Wrestling wasnt really about Ground Subs , was it ? Take any form of Competitive Fighting Ruleset and it totally forgot about Ground Submissions as a whole except Sambo , and the Russians were pretty much in their own little worl for a LONG time , both Geographicaly AND Historo-Culturally .

 

[gjohnson5]

It's just like everything else.
People are wearing "throw backs"
Soon people will be wearing Jerry Curls again

 

[Djimbe]

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[Yarg!]

No groundfighting (and will never be obselete) is not becoming obselete-ppl are just becomeing more well rounded. To think you can be a successful fighter (not just MMA, a fighter PERIOD) and not have a ground game would be like trying to be the top fighter without kicking or punching or throwing, etc. Silva BTW is a black belt in BJJ, and Lidell is a purple + ex college wrestler. Those guys can hold their own on the ground against 99 percent of the world's population (because literally the guys who can sub them probably are only about a thousand: some Judo BBs, Sambo and BJJers).

 

[Kane Fan]

What Im saying has nothign to DO with "Classic Styles" Im talking about Competitions here . Juso is all about the Throw , San Shou/San Da Comps didnt really do much Ground work , even Wrestling wasnt really about Ground Subs , was it ? Take any form of Competitive Fighting Ruleset and it totally forgot about Ground Submissions as a whole except Sambo , and the Russians were pretty much in their own little worl for a LONG time , both Geographicaly AND Historo-Culturally .

Judo has had submission work the entire time as far as I know
if the throw is perfect none is necessary and ther is also the pin option but subs are a part of Judo

 

[GA_Judoka]

Judo has had submission work the entire time as far as I know
if the throw is perfect none is necessary and ther is also the pin option but subs are a part of Judo

We work newaza at least 50% of the time at the dojo where I train. We spend quite a bit of time on transitioning from throws to pins/chokes/arm bars etc. But we also practice mat work 'BJJ style' quite a bit, which probably isn't typical for most Judo clubs. So I would say that more than anything it depends on where you train, and who you train with.

 

[Kane Fan]

that sounds like a really good Judo school I wish I was close to you

 

[Djimbe]

No groundfighting (and will never be obselete) is not becoming obselete-ppl are just becomeing more well rounded. To think you can be a successful fighter (not just MMA, a fighter PERIOD) and not have a ground game would be like trying to be the top fighter without kicking or punching or throwing, etc. Silva BTW is a black belt in BJJ, and Lidell is a purple + ex college wrestler. Those guys can hold their own on the ground against 99 percent of the world's population (because literally the guys who can sub them probably are only about a thousand: some Judo BBs, Sambo and BJJers).

Dude I know PLENTY of ppl that are LEGIT BADASSES that never took any type of Groundfighting in their Lifetimes . It really IS just in MMA and Grappling Tournaments . Most ppl ge through DOZENS of Fights in their Lifetimes with Little more than Rudimentary Boxing Training , and Ive met literally HUNDEREDS of LEOS that hve made Aikido work for them IN REAL LIFE THREATENING SITUATIONS . My Favorite Muay Thai Kru that I know hasnt any Grappling Background and at 60 I wouldnt want to have to go where Id have to to Beat him if I met him on the Street .

Two words for you

Mas Oyama .

 

[Djimbe]

Judo has had submission work the entire time as far as I know
if the throw is perfect none is necessary and ther is also the pin option but subs are a part of Judo

I said "Competitive Fighting Ruleset" not "MA Style" . that is totally to the left of my point that I was making .

 

[Dieselgoku23]

Dude I know PLENTY of ppl that are LEGIT BADASSES that never took any type of Groundfighting in their Lifetimes . It really IS just in MMA and Grappling Tournaments . Most ppl ge through DOZENS of Fights in their Lifetimes with Little more than Rudimentary Boxing Training , and Ive met literally HUNDEREDS of LEOS that hve made Aikido work for them IN REAL LIFE THREATENING SITUATIONS . My Favorite Muay Thai Kru that I know hasnt any Grappling Background and at 60 I wouldnt want to have to go where Id have to to Beat him if I met him on the Street .

Two words for you

Mas Oyama .

If any of the strikers your talking about stands up against an MMA fighter on the street like you say, if the MMA fighter is getting his ass kicked as far striking he will take the guy down period. Now the pure striker with no ground experience how is he going to handle a ground and pound on the street or with someone with Grappling background . BTW I have seen ground and pound on the street so is not just on the cage!!. As far as Dozens of fights if you are somewhat train in boxing or Kickboxer you have a better chance of beating the crap out of any old joe out there that never had any training and cant even throw punch so what your saying doesnt make sense. Where I train lots of street brawlers have come into my dojo and get in the ring they get their ass handed to them by guys who have been training for like a 1 year. But then again the street brawler have been in "DOZENS" of fights and some are even pretty good boxers but no ground experience. That proves a point