is test really necessary?

[JUICE 13]

ive recently re-thought my next cycle, originally it was 14 weeker consisting of 250mg sust/400mg eq/20mg dbol/liquidex for some bulk but mainly nice solid gains, somwhere around 10-15 solid pounds, but sust makes me bloat like a mofo and gives me horrible acne.
i was wondering if i dropped the sust, ran 400mg eq and bumped up the dbol dosage would i still make nice gains? and would the eq shut me down really bad after 14 weeks??? i know many people say test should be the base of every cycle, so im not sure what to do. what are some opinions? thanks

 

[MUSTANG_18]

I am one of those guys who belive Test should be the base of every cycle. Will you make good gains off just D-Bol and Eq ? Of course you will! I belive you'd be more satisfied with the results if Testosterone was added. If bloating is your problem, throw in Anastrozole at .50mg/Day through out your cycle and that will take care of it. As for the acne, that will come with most types of AAS. Personally, D-bol makes me break out worse then anything else I have used. Washing 2-3 times a day with an anti-bacterial soap, tanning, primerose oil, EFA's, B5 are all things that will help control acne while on cycle. There are also topical meds that you can get from a dermatologist if the acne is severe. Neo-Medrol is a great topical creme that I have used in the past with success. Good luck with your cycle

M18

 

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ive recently re-thought my next cycle, originally it was 14 weeker consisting of 250mg sust/400mg eq/20mg dbol/liquidex for some bulk but mainly nice solid gains, somwhere around 10-15 solid pounds, but sust makes me bloat like a mofo and gives me horrible acne.
i was wondering if i dropped the sust, ran 400mg eq and bumped up the dbol dosage would i still make nice gains? and would the eq shut me down really bad after 14 weeks??? i know many people say test should be the base of every cycle, so im not sure what to do. what are some opinions? thanks

Hmmmmm... My $0.02 (for those of you who still care), I say EQ at that dosage shouldn't shut you down (not like tren or deca would). It will supress your HPTA, and most notably, will hurt your sex drive. D-bol is very androgenic, but you'd be a fool to run a 17AA for 14 weeks. Therefore, you have three options:

1) Keep EQ, run it as long as you want (within reason), and run the D-bol for the first 4-6 weeks.
2) Keep EQ, as stated above, run it with your test of choice, and have a dermo put you on some accutane. This will kick the acne in the ass.
3) Run the EQ straight through, but in conjunction with a low dose of test (100mg/wk) OR an androgen substitute like Proviron so your noodle won't go limp.

Run proper PCT regardless, especially if you are still planning on a 14-weeker.

-e

BTW--D-bol can/should give you acne just as bad as the test. Food for thought...