is PCT useless?

[heavy_duty]

I read a few guys dont belive in PCT. anybody want to admit they're a non believer/user?

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

100mg Horny Goat Weed
5,000mg of Boron
750mg of TT

 

[Wulfgar]

I like to think of it more along the lines of a phase where u deal with excessive cortisol and estrogen output. Along with increasing the HPTA back to normal function post cycle is a great time to really see an increase in QUALITY of the muscle u just gained. its actually possible to grow during these phases if the right protocols are used and to burn up some Bodyfat and prep properly for the next cycle

 

[TheSnowOwnsYou]

I do a half assed PCT and it works fine for me. My last bulking cycle:
1000mg Sustanon /week
500mg Deca /week
Some frontloading with Dbol

My PCT was injecting HCG for a week and a half. No problems.

I've only used a "full" PCT once and it was because I had 6 things in the cycle. But I'd be personally (the way my body has reacted), to using no PCT depending on the cycle.

 

[instant.muscle]

i remember a bro whos first cycle was sust and drol(excidium) he had tone of the best transformation, put on like 25 pounds then while off cycle put on like 4 more during PCT

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I read a few guys dont belive in PCT. anybody want to admit they're a non believer/user?

suppression varies, but anyone that beleives that acting to restore the HPGA is not beneficial is not well informed.

there are certainly people that can get away with little or no PCT.

there are also people that can run 2 grams of test with no ancillaries and not even get itchy nipples, much less gyno.

they are the exception not the rule.

as you get older the exceptions are far less.

 

[heavy_duty]

heart attack and stroke run in my family.
Should I be "afraid" of nolva?

 

[Dellyo]

heart attack and stroke run in my family.
Should I be "afraid" of nolva?

bump

 

[SwolK]

as Macro said, there may be a few people who can get away without a good complete PCT, but they are defininely the exception to the rule

 

[Mr.X]

I read a few guys dont belive in PCT. anybody want to admit they're a non believer/user?

I've seen guys take deca and claim it's PCT. Let them believe what they want - our educated members here will always do proper PCT.

 

[slat1]

I have been told by numerous Endo's that HCG/clomid/nolv do nothing to start up your HPTA again.
Then again they have never used AAS and can only base their opions on what they have read.
I would use PCT every time!

 

[Ulter]

I agree with Macro that age plays a huge part in it as well as genetics. I knew lots of guys who 20 years ago did no PCT whatsoever and didn't have a problem. Then there was me crashing and feeling like I had mono for 8 weeks. It's so cheap and so easy it's stupid not to do it.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I agree with Macro that age plays a huge part in it as well as genetics.

 

[swordfish151]

Better safe then sorry...i do PCT everytime...i may be one of the "lucky" ones to not have to do it..but im not going to flip that coin to find out..my luck i crash hard and have a hard time coming back...

 

[shivastool]

I'm with Macro and X...plus I never cycled till I hit my 40's. I'm finding a good PCT as well as a decent amount of time off is important. I can really tell the suppresion even with HCG and all bits. I'm going to try TOREMIFENE instead of Nolva the next PCT as I hear it's better than Nolva.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I'm going to try TOREMIFENE instead of Nolva the next PCT as I hear it's better than Nolva.

might want to consider that carefully
read here

note the study
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=484356

 

[instant.muscle]

well at 24, running 4th cycle of EQ 15 weeks 600mg Test 400mg 15 weeks, tbol 1-4 at 60mg var at 10-16 100mg, what PCT would i need?

 

[heavy_duty]

Bro you're 40+
what about this "Nolva gives stroke and hear-attack" nonsense

I'm with Macro and X...plus I never cycled till I hit my 40's. I'm finding a good PCT as well as a decent amount of time off is important. I can really tell the suppresion even with HCG and all bits. I'm going to try TOREMIFENE instead of Nolva the next PCT as I hear it's better than Nolva.

 

[needtogetaas]

I like to think of it more along the lines of a phase where u deal with excessive cortisol and estrogen output. Along with increasing the HPTA back to normal function post cycle is a great time to really see an increase in QUALITY of the muscle u just gained. its actually possible to grow during these phases if the right protocols are used and to burn up some Bodyfat and prep properly for the next cycle

good shit

 

[Slyder190]

I've seen guys take deca and claim it's PCT. Let them believe what they want - our educated members here will always do proper PCT.

Oooohhh - Well put my friend.

 

[booby]

what about a guy who only does test?...do you think pct it as vital when comming of a 500mgs a week test-e only cycle?...just curious?

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

It's test... so odds are it'll shut you down... so yes...

 

[linux]

Ive been off and on for 15 or so years....Ive never run a PCT..and ive never run an anti E with any cycle....Maybe im lucky.