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Is MARRIAGE becoming an OUTDATED institution?

RyanH

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According to a recent study I came across in the TIMES a few weeks ago, all across Europe, more and more Europeans are opting not to marry. The definition of what constitutes a family continues to expand, precluding the traditional notions of a family as "mom and dad"---instead including more modern notions of just "mom" and kids. The following are some of the highlights that were reported:

--Half the kids in Norway have parents who are single or living together. 49% of all births in 1999 were to unwed parents. In Iceland the figure was 62%. In France it was 41% and in Britain it was 38%.

--Even in Ireland, a traditionally Catholic country, 31% of births since 1999 have taken place outside of marriage---a figure matched by the United States.

---Also, public figures themselves are demonstrating the success of the individual themselves. Prime Minister Blair's chief spokesman has three children with his companion.

--In Ireland, the prime minister has been with his companion, the de facto first lady of the country, for a number of years.

--In Norway, an unmarried member of Parliament, became pregnant while she served as the country's oil minister and is now raising her son on her own. And, the country's own crown prince lived with his girlfriend, a single mother with a toddler, before finally marrying her last year.

Now my view of the situation here in America: While President Bush seeks to expand government and carry the mantle of the "BIG GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT" by enacting government programs to promote marriage, other countries are promoting the indivdiual with laws favorable to both single parents and to unmarried companions.

Isn't it time, Americans consider following some of Europe's policies by finally recogning that marriage has failed to solve many of our society's domestic problems? For example, thousands of children with married parents often commit crimes and develop substance abuse problems, while often many children from single parent homes become model citizens.

By enacting more equitable laws for single parents and providing more government assistance, Americans too, would finally see that marriage is not always necessary for a healthy society and moreover, the individual can triumph as well, if given the same equal opportunities....

Ryan.
 
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RyanH said:

Isn't it time, Americans consider following some of Europe's policies by finally recogning that marriage has failed to solve many of our society's domestic problems? For example, thousands of children with married parents often commit crimes and develop substance abuse problems, while often many children from single parent homes become model citizens.


Do you really think there is a link between married parents and criminal children?

I don´t wnat to marry, for i don´t want to do a vow for all eternity.
 
Though I still personally believe in the institution of marriage, I have to say that I am not anit-NOT marriage (Did that make any sense?).

I have yet to have a piece of paper tell me how to be a woman OR a mother. Sadly, there are too many people out there that need JUST THAT - and even then can't seem to figure it out.

A legal document is only as binding as the character of the individuals who have consented by putting their signature on the dotted line.

I don't think that laws that would treat single and non-married parents equivalent to those parents that are married to be a bad thing. I believe that perhaps it would actually be A GOOD THING.

If a couple wants to live in a traditional sense, good for them. If, however, they opt to do things in a less traditional sense, I think it should be "equally good".

Call me crazy, but it seems to make sense.

Too many women have suffered in HORRENDOUS marital situations because of the serious limitations (both by being looked down upon by society - YES, IT DOES STILL HAPPEN as well not having laws that give them favorable status - ie - the dead beat dad, etc) that leaving the relationship would put on them and their children. And PUH-LEASE DO NOT GIVE ME ANOTHER "SHE TOOK EVERYTHING AND I GOT SCREWED" STORY... CAUSE GET WHAT? I AIN'T BUYIN' IT.
 
Marriage is outdated from a long time. Of course for religious people it can still have some meaning, but even for moderate like me it doesnt. I mean I know people who lived their entire life together in a very happy way without being married at all.
 
marriage is sick. Its just the state, society & the church recognizing your union, like that makes it any more or less valid than it was before.


I will never marry. I would be happy with a kick ass roommate who i could have sex with every now and then.
 
Why do you always CAPITALIZE certain WORDS in your titles, Ryan? Are your threads more important than anyone else's?
 
Re: Re: Is MARRIAGE becoming an OUTDATED institution?

Norman Bates said:


Do you really think there is a link between married parents and criminal children?

I don´t wnat to marry, for i don´t want to do a vow for all eternity.

I don't believe that to be the case at all......I'm simply pointing out that there is not always a coorelation between marriage and healthy, law abiding children. Many conservatives argue that the typical family will solve many of our society's ills, they have been proven wrong time and time again.
 
bikinimom said:
Though I still personally believe in the institution of marriage, I have to say that I am not anit-NOT marriage (Did that make any sense?).

I have yet to have a piece of paper tell me how to be a woman OR a mother. Sadly, there are too many people out there that need JUST THAT - and even then can't seem to figure it out.

A legal document is only as binding as the character of the individuals who have consented by putting their signature on the dotted line.

I don't think that laws that would treat single and non-married parents equivalent to those parents that are married to be a bad thing. I believe that perhaps it would actually be A GOOD THING.


Absolutely, Bikinimom. Why a piece of paper is needed to legitimize the union between two people is a mystery to many of us. However, many people do somehow find it necessary or fulfilling, and they have every right to feel that way.

I simply believe that the individual is often treated less favorably than the marital couple is---that needs to change, as it has in some of Europe.

It is unjust when many of us are punished throuh unfair inheritance laws or even tax law simply because we have chosen another way to live our lives.
 
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