Is it possible to learn !!

[K_O_S]

Is it possible to learn how to defend yourself, with just books and dvd. Like Bas Rutten’s, or Krav Maga dvd set?
Thanx in advance.

 

[MikeMartial]

To a degree.

Watching videos, reading books, then applying them to a heavy bag or some other piece of equipment WILL improve your striking power, conditioning and speed.

But there is never any substitute for a training partner and solid instruction.

 

[K_O_S]

The only problem for me is that the only school for martial are about 1 hours away and its only TKD and Karate.

 

[Kane Fan]

you are not near any big city I take it?
just about every big city has at the very least a boxing gym somewhere

 

[MikeMartial]

You have to make due with what you're given.

If you can, go to the school, even if it's only once a week. When at home, practice what your instructor has taught you over and over.

After all, it's much better than nothing at all--and there's nothing wrong with either Tae Kwon Do or Karate.

 

[Yarg!]

Its better than nothing....but far less than going to a class ran by a component instructor.

 

[K_O_S]

Thanx. Guy's

 

[Djimbe]

Its better than nothing....but far less than going to a class ran by a component instructor.

I disagree with this totally , as an Instructor , and heres why :


I have Teaching Cirtificates in what are Probably the two most Common CMAs Wing Chun , and Taiji (as well as Baguazhang) .

Over the years ppl have trained with me , or come to se me to "Help Out" with their "Home Instruction" or "Distance Learning" ...

This is almost ALWAYS a Disaster .

Why ?

No one to tell you "NO !" , mostly .
The easiset way to put it is that you WILL do it Wrrong ,and you WILL continue to do it wrong until someone Corrects you . This means that you WILL teach yourself Bad Habbits over time and you wont even know it , or WHY theyre bad habbits . There is almost NEVER a time when perfect For m FEELS Comfortablle , or perfect Structure for ANY movement comes naturally . Even if youre Tryuing to Mimic a form (Lets say , for an Overhand Right) that youre Looking Directly at , youre not looking Directly at YOU , and not from all Angles . So youre bound to Misalign your bodyu in some way m, and either Injure yourself at the time , or , worse at the time of an Emergency , when youre really in NEED of this skill that youve fooled yourself ionto thinking you have .

Youre FAR better off just staying in the Gym and getting FREAKY HUGE so that no one will want to mess with you , or can come close to your Strength . Assuming , of course , that you have competent Instruction THERE ...

Drop your ZIPcode and Ill see if I can find you something . Oh , and dont Down on TKDand KArate so much , you can learn a LOT from them , and they can take you pretty Darned far . Try sparring a TKD Olympic Qualifier and he/she will WEAR YOU OUT if not KNOCK you out ! Its not the "Fad" this week that MMA is , and there are some bad schools out there , but a GOOD school can teach you how to fight perfctly well . If the ppl are doing Full Contact and Continuous sparring (not stopping after each instance where someone has scored a "Point") then youre LEARNING how to deal with a Fight ! Its only when the Sparring is Tap-Then-Stop-Then-Tap-Then-Stop that the school is teaching you bad habbits .

 

[Yarg!]

I disagree with this totally , as an Instructor , and heres why :


I have Teaching Cirtificates in what are Probably the two most Common CMAs Wing Chun , and Taiji (as well as Baguazhang) .

Over the years ppl have trained with me , or come to se me to "Help Out" with their "Home Instruction" or "Distance Learning" ...

This is almost ALWAYS a Disaster .

Why ?

No one to tell you "NO !" , mostly .
The easiset way to put it is that you WILL do it Wrrong ,and you WILL continue to do it wrong until someone Corrects you . This means that you WILL teach yourself Bad Habbits over time and you wont even know it , or WHY theyre bad habbits . There is almost NEVER a time when perfect For m FEELS Comfortablle , or perfect Structure for ANY movement comes naturally . Even if youre Tryuing to Mimic a form (Lets say , for an Overhand Right) that youre Looking Directly at , youre not looking Directly at YOU , and not from all Angles . So youre bound to Misalign your bodyu in some way m, and either Injure yourself at the time , or , worse at the time of an Emergency , when youre really in NEED of this skill that youve fooled yourself ionto thinking you have .

Youre FAR better off just staying in the Gym and getting FREAKY HUGE so that no one will want to mess with you , or can come close to your Strength . Assuming , of course , that you have competent Instruction THERE ...

Drop your ZIPcode and Ill see if I can find you something . Oh , and dont Down on TKDand KArate so much , you can learn a LOT from them , and they can take you pretty Darned far . Try sparring a TKD Olympic Qualifier and he/she will WEAR YOU OUT if not KNOCK you out ! Its not the "Fad" this week that MMA is , and there are some bad schools out there , but a GOOD school can teach you how to fight perfctly well . If the ppl are doing Full Contact and Continuous sparring (not stopping after each instance where someone has scored a "Point") then youre LEARNING how to deal with a Fight ! Its only when the Sparring is Tap-Then-Stop-Then-Tap-Then-Stop that the school is teaching you bad habbits .

I don't see why you're disagreeing with my statement..
Home instruction is not the best, but sometimes you have no other choice. Ofcourse its better than nothing- obviously you are going to pick up bad habits , so thus; there is no substitution for a good instructor. And no ones discounting the benefits of weight lifting, but why not atleast try to learn something, as you lift weights. To give up before you even start... just does not seem logical to me.

 

[Djimbe]

But its really NOT "Better Than Nothing" .

Your natural Reactions are by FAR superior to what most ppl have access to or can decipher of the MAs on their own . MOST ppls Natural Response is "I Dont Know How To Fight , Therefore I Shouldnt" THAT is the BEST Response , but even IN a Fight your Reflexes naturally Prioritise . UNlearning those Natural Priorities without a fully mapped out plan as to the Whys and Wherefores of what youre doing is retarded . You will end up better off if you just Increase your Natural Attributes Exponentially , and use the reactions you were given at birth . In other words , what ppl usually THINK will work in a fight almost NEVER does .

 

[MikeMartial]

I do agree, training solo while trying to learn a certain technique can backfire, and ingrain back training methods.

But don't you think solo training on a heavy bag would improve conditioning, regardless of technique?

Example:

Take two average adult males, untrained in any martial arts

-One decided to train at home in his basement on a heavy bag, throwing punch and kick combos he's learned off a DVD or at a one-time session at a gym.

-The other one doesn't train at all.

Now who will, in theory, do better in a self-defense situation? IMO, the answer is easily quite obvious.

Sure, buddy with the heavy bag may never have beautiful patterns, or may learn a bad habit or two as far as technique, but he'll be a helluva lot more prepared, just from what little he's doing at home.

Therefore, something is better than nothing.

 

[Djimbe]

Considering this is a BBing/PLing board Guy two , whom deciding he has no technique at all Wraps the guy up using Strength , holds him - again using strength , or chooses to Disengage and Run .

you see , its not JUST yoru Crappy technique that gets you in trouble , its your BELIEF in it .

 

[K_O_S]

I forgot to mention that I have a couple years of boxing. My postal code is E4N 3A9 the closest city would be Moncton in New brunswick. Thanx again Guy's

 

[Djimbe]

Dong Tai Chi Chuan classes held in Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada.

Walter Tait - (506) 853-9355
Sun 7-8 pm Riverview Recreation Centre
55 Biggs Drive, Riverview N. B.
Tues 7-8:30 Lakeview Manor
50 Suffolk Street, Riverview, N. B.
8:30-9:30 Intermediate/Advanced Class at the same location
Please use the entrance at the rear of the building
Wed 9:30-11:00 am Aberdeen Cultural Centre
Gallery Shivera Room # 13
140 Botsford Street, Moncton, N. B.
Wed 8:00-9:30 P.M.
Elementary School Gym on River Road, Salisbury
sponsored by Salisbury & District Recreational Council
Thur 7-8:30 Lakeview Manor
50 Suffolk Street Riverview, N. B.
Please use the entrance at the rear of the building

Private instruction and professional, educational, institutional or business group classes arranged on request.
Contact

Wing Chun Gung-Fu-Authentic
120 Killam Drive
Moncton, NB
E1C 3R7
Tel: 506-853-1057

Tai Chi Academy
417 St. George Street
Moncton, NB
E1C 1X5
Tel: 506-858-8242

Wei Chin Kung fu
500 Hillsborough Road
Riverview, NB
E1B 4E7
Tel: 506-857-9797



Riverview Karate Studio (Police Martial Arts Association)
160 Trites Road
Riverview, NB
E1B 3L9
Tel: 506-387-5126

Energy Flows
1996 Rothesay Rd
Renforth, NB
E2H 2J8
Tel: 506-849-1945


Claire LeBlanc (506) 855-6609
Moncton
Wednesdays 7:00 pm - 8:30 pm
Beginner and intermediate classes
Club d'Age d'Or Christ de Roi, 305 Dominion Street, Moncton
Bouctouche
Mondays 7:00 pm - 8:30 pm
Beginner classes
Ecole Clement-Cormier, Bouctouche

Moncton Karate Kyokushinkai
8 Broadview Avenue
Moncton, NB
E1E 1W9
Tel: 506-859-9909

Jukido Studio
435 Charters Settlement Rd
Fredericton, NB
E3B 4X6
Tel: 506-450-9577

Soke John J. Williams
Box 2335
Station A
Moncton, NB
E1A8J3 Canada (506) 382-6349

BARALY'S BOXING ACADEMY
PHIL BARALY (506) 854-3874

F.I.S.T.S. BOXING CLUB
RAY DOIRON OR GRAHAM WALKER, WAYNE BIDDLE (506) 852-3516

NB AMATEUR BOXING ASSOCIATION NB
RAY DOIRON (506) 852-3516

MONCTON AMATEUR BOXING CLUB
JOE MELANSON (506) 857-0347


CHUNG WON INSTITUTE OF TAEKWONDO
MASTER CHUNG (506) 858-5883

SORIM TAI CHI ACADEMY
http://www.chungwon.ca/ CHUNG WON INSTITUTE OF TAEKWONDO (506) 855-5450

U BE WELL TAI CHI CHUAN
WALTER TAIT (506) 853-9355

TSURUOKA KARATE SCHOOL
ALCIDE BOURQUE (506) 576-6832

MUSA BETSU-KYU JUDO CLUB
Earl O'Blenis (506) 388-1836

FIVE STAR SCHOOL OF EASTERN ARTS
LICIA GOMES & ADRIAN GOMES (506) 863-1991

NB WRESTLING
DON RYAN, C/O ATHLETICS, UNB (506) 453-5098

 

[Yarg!]

Considering this is a BBing/PLing board Guy two , whom deciding he has no technique at all Wraps the guy up using Strength , holds him - again using strength , or chooses to Disengage and Run .

you see , its not JUST yoru Crappy technique that gets you in trouble , its your BELIEF in it .

Ok, so two guys, equal stature, muscle, strength.. etc , one knows some moves off video tapes. The other knows shit all. Logic dictates person A will take this one. Some video tapes are extremely, extremely well produced man- and by that I mean the majority of the BJJ tapes out there made by guys who win Mundials and ADCC. A bunch of the guys from my club have watched some of these things and it has improved their ground game dramatically. IE:

http://www.grapplearts.com/Movies/My-MMA-Preview.mov

A demo of a choke. Well, the instruction Denis Kang (class act, btw) gives in that video is crystal clear and anyone with half a brain even with no MA experience can pull off the choke based on what they see in that video. We were taught the same choke in class, and ofcourse we had the luxury of the instructor supervising, but the initial demonstartion was jsut as good as the demo in the video. I showed this to my friend who hadn't done BJJ before ,and he got it right away.

 

[Djimbe]

K .

You showed a Choke to your mate that hadnt done BJJ b4 , and he coulkd do it .

To a person that was tryiung to stay there and in a safe environment with no Friends or Bouncers coming and basically no External Pressure like Icy Sidewalks , Asphalt or being grabbed by the tie to being worried about .

Youre TOTALLY missing my pont . My point is that one or two moves is going to get you hurt 9/10 times . Not having a Gameplan is , as well . its SO funny how Grapplers will tell Strikers that they HAVE to know the GROUND or how PWNED theyll get , but you dont think the guy needs real Instruction ? He needs Moves to back UP those moves , and to back up THOSE . He needs to know about STRUCTURE , and how to defeat his Opponents and Keep his .

Besides , youre missing two VERY Important Ingredients here :

1) I told the guy to get Freaky Huge . That way he WONT be the same strength as anyone likely to start crap . *Points at Kimo/Royce fight , and how 35 lbs of Muscle made a HUGE Difference*

2) I just gave him a PILE of schools in his area that he should be able to find ONE decent one from , are you kidding me ?

 

[Kane Fan]

But its really NOT "Better Than Nothing" .

Your natural Reactions are by FAR superior to what most ppl have access to or can decipher of the MAs on their own . MOST ppls Natural Response is "I Dont Know How To Fight , Therefore I Shouldnt" THAT is the BEST Response , but even IN a Fight your Reflexes naturally Prioritise . UNlearning those Natural Priorities without a fully mapped out plan as to the Whys and Wherefores of what youre doing is retarded . You will end up better off if you just Increase your Natural Attributes Exponentially , and use the reactions you were given at birth . In other words , what ppl usually THINK will work in a fight almost NEVER does .

well you should try to get used to the idea of getting hit tho
otherwise many people freeze up when violence starts

 

[Kane Fan]

I do agree, training solo while trying to learn a certain technique can backfire, and ingrain back training methods.

But don't you think solo training on a heavy bag would improve conditioning, regardless of technique?

Example:

Take two average adult males, untrained in any martial arts

-One decided to train at home in his basement on a heavy bag, throwing punch and kick combos he's learned off a DVD or at a one-time session at a gym.

-The other one doesn't train at all.

Now who will, in theory, do better in a self-defense situation? IMO, the answer is easily quite obvious.

Sure, buddy with the heavy bag may never have beautiful patterns, or may learn a bad habit or two as far as technique, but he'll be a helluva lot more prepared, just from what little he's doing at home.

Therefore, something is better than nothing.

two bad things on that example tho
1.) if you work the bag after a one time lesson you won't be good on form and you'll hurt yourself opening up on a heavybag maybe with the DVD but even then you have no one to watch your form, I had someone watching my form and it took me a month or two before I could safely work the heavy bag solo and I learn physical skills relativly quickly

2.) the guy who has a tad bit of 'skill' but has developed bad habbits is less dangerous to skilled oppositition then the totally untrained guy
at lesat I think

 

[Demonix]

There is a guy at my gym which is a top notch gym that has had a few UFC fighters come out of that learned a lot of his bjj from tapes and rolling with his friends. The guy is awesome.

I think you can learn a lot gtom books and videos - but sparring and live go's will also help. If you can get some friends together and spar and roll with them that will help a lot too.

 

[heavy_duty]

NO!

Is it possible to learn how to defend yourself, with just books and dvd. Like Bas Rutten’s, or Krav Maga dvd set?
Thanx in advance.