Yes,I have changed my stance on this over the past half year or so,due to how many different folks I have seen have very good success with it.I do believe that injection gives far serious more delivery/results,but I also believe that tren can be used successfully orally as well.An old vet of the board I respect just recently e-mailed me to tell me that he is having tremendous results with it orally,and he has done both the injectible/transdermal route.It is non c-17aa,so hepatic stress will be nothing like our standard orals.Most of the feedback I've gotten has been very positive,and I must say I was surprised,I simply didn't think it would work.Live and learn.