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Just a 4 week cycle just with d-bol. And pct milk thislke and nolvadex. What gets acne to go away i heard d-bol makes you have a lot of acne. Tell me what im missing for pct and do you think its safe?
Is d-bol safe to take alone
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NoProblems1 said:
What are your stats? How old are you?
Not everyone who takes d-bol gets acne. Do some research on the board first and check out the Post Cycle Therapy board under the Platinum Boards and check out this thread...http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-372155.html
Hope this helps.
NoProblems1
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Wow guess everyone has there own opinion i ask a simple question and you guys blow up and my first cycle is going to be test not d-bol i was just asking. Im 22 5'9 187 been lifting seriously for about 2 years
Stryker1992
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LAWNSAVER said:
Yah, this sounds pretty fucked up!!!!!!!
theironclan
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Stick with the test only for your first cycle.
gettinstrong00110
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i did 45mg a day for my first cycle with nothing else and its awesome u can compare it to a basic injectable cycle.
not everyone gets acne, i just get some, nothing major, i know people that take shit loads and get no acne, it just depends if ur prone to acne or watever.
not everyone gets acne, i just get some, nothing major, i know people that take shit loads and get no acne, it just depends if ur prone to acne or watever.
maxpain
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luciano said:i did the same for the first cycle .Its a good start and experience .
u only need M.T. for the liver and clomid for pct.Take clomid with frontloading.
U also could do it 8 wks with "noproblems"
Test don't affect your liver. Fuckin orals do. DONT LISTEN TO THIS PERSON. They have no clue. Plus Milk Thistle does not have any real effect on AS anyways. Use liv-52 or Tylers detox. It is made for the alkaline's effected by orals. Also try nolvadex rather than clomid. I know you might be trying to be helpful. But if you have no clue what you are talking about. Please try to refrain from giving advise.
lawnsaver
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NoProblems1 said:
I didnt think I came off as blowing up...I just gve you my opinion that your were not ready based on the question you asked.
It was very apparent that you have done little research and I didnt want you to proceed.
If you are going to step into the dark side, you should do it right and know what you are doing.
If you are truely going to use test as your first cycle, it would be the correct choice.
NoProblems1
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But the thing is im not ready to stick myself with any needle not yet. Maybe in a year or so and i was asking aout d-bol cuz i want to kno whats the best first cycle to do. I was reading other threas when i was RESEARCHING lol and they said d-bol was safe to alone and other said it wasnt so should i take it alone or not or is bad and i head if u do you should only take it for 4 weeks.
lawnsaver
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NoProblems1 said:
If you just want to wet your whistle a little, don't use D-bol. Go with Anavar or Oral Turnibol. These orals are much more mild and do not cause the estrogenic related side effects that d-bol can.
It will be much more expensive, but you will be better off.
Injections are really easy. The hard part is the anxiety involved with it. They really dont hurt at all.
LAWNSAVER said:
Excellent idea...I used OT for my first cycle...just to see how my body would react to AAS. There are alot of t-bol threads you can look at but the main one is http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=361847.
I would also recommend some sort of PCT since it is a liver toxic oral. You might want to also consider some Nolva...check out the stickys under the Post Steroid Cycle Therapy board (under the Platinum Boards).
NoProblems1
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Do they show good gains? Im guessing you should only have a 4 week cycle sents its hard on the liver? How much is t-bol and anavar?
toxicsambo
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NoProblems1 said:
Everyone is being honest and helpful. You don't explain what kind of results you're looking for. That determines what's best and how much to take. Just want to harden up or pack on size?
Your diet and training will effect your cycle. You can get hard quality gains on d-bol, which is rarely spoken of because most ppl think d-bol blows you up like a balloon. Mostly because ppl eat lke pigs trying to get huge and fk up a great AAS. Do more research bro. Everyone knows that this time of the year noobs want to look good for the summer so most ppl are tired of hearing bs.
NoProblems1
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Lol i do want to look good of course. I want to gain weight i been eating like a pig and i want my strengh to go up i been working out a lot and my bench is stuck at 230 just want my lifts to up a lot look kinda weak at the gym have a couple friends that juice and there huge. I Just basically want my to gain weight and want my lifts to go up a lot.
Stacemranger
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NoProblems1 said:
Never ask for prices or sources.
NoProblems1
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And why cant i ask how much t-bol is its a question and i sure dont see where i asked for any sources.
i dont get it. why would it be bad to start off with a dbol only cycle?? i know he might be too young or what not but what about someone that has lifted for a long time knows what dosage to take knows all the effects. i dont get it. i know alot of people with really good results from it.
NoProblems1 said:
I think you've got more issues than the D-bol.
You sound paranoid about the acne.....when really it shouldn't be such a big concern.....if it's that big a deal get some Retin-A ahead of time.
Running a D-bol only cycle? Safe? Sure.
Smart? Not really. You won't keep any quality gains.
Seriously though, holmes......you sounds like a scared chinchilla
with the way you worded your questions. I sincerely suggest you read the forum and reassess your cycle.DIV
NoProblems1
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Why would i lose my gains if i had a good pct and i been doin reserch. Like i said im just not ready to be stickin needles in me and im 23 so thats not that young im done growing and i worked out for a couple years so i know what im doin so dont give me shit on that im scarred. Im a damn soldier lmao.
dr0832
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You won't keep most gains because a lot of the gains will be water weight from dbol. You will definitely blow up in 4 weeks but 10lbs will be water, 6-8lbs of LBM, and at least a few lbs of fat if you eat clean. When yout stop the cycle you will no longer be able to keep this water. You will however keep some LBM and most likely some fat because fat is inevitable when you over eat and theres no way to grow without over eating. You will also gain a lot of strength, however much of the strength will come from the extra water weight gain, and you will lose most of the strength once you finish the cycle and lose the water.
If 10mg of d-bol raises test levels by 500% dose this mean that d-bol converts into test in the bloodstream? (like some pro hormones)
The reason I ask is everyone says do a test only cycle first time,why use long acting esters that ages to clear if d-bol dose the same job in less time.
The reason I ask is everyone says do a test only cycle first time,why use long acting esters that ages to clear if d-bol dose the same job in less time.
NoProblems1 said:
If you are a soldier, don't worry.....the ARMY doesn't test for AAS.
I would say you would benefit from a winny or deca cycle seeing how much you run. Running is so catabolic I never understood this until I got out of the Army in '01. Basically, you are spinning your wheels no matter how hard you train because your muscle doesn't get the chance to grow when your body is constantly robbing itself of the gycogen to store for running. If you did Winny or Deca you'd be able to make gains while still maintaining your cardio. It would also help if you maxed your PT test so you could do PT on your own and not have to run every day with the rest of your Platoon/Battery.
DIV
luciano
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You can make your choice as u want , but one of them is Dbol only , no matter what maxpain or other persons will say IT WAS A GOOD CYCLE , IT IS , AND WILL B ALWAYS , a posible good cycle .Hundred of thousend of men did it with good results , u can do it too . I was born close to the Dbol factory in romania , and i saw very large number of ppl growing big and very big with that drug only coz its extremely cheap available and legit stuff , no recipy required . So i gues i have "some" real xperience not only form reading on the net . I saw ppl making abuse of naps and other using it wisely , all kinds of cases .
Dbol is the king of mass for those who know to work out corectly, thats the key , the way u train .If u dont train well no steroid works good.
Dbol is the king of mass for those who know to work out corectly, thats the key , the way u train .If u dont train well no steroid works good.
pudding
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div, I'm not milkin it, there seems to be many different opinions on this topic, mine included. Besides reading and reaserch I find this is a great place to get real life experience. Not everyone is going to agree on everything, but sometimes you can sort through the BS and get some valuable info. You obviously know your shit and are respected on the board, but there are other people with other experiences that can contribute great infoDIVISION said:We already answered this question, PuddingPet.....
Come on man.....stop milkin' it......
DIV
luciano
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if u want to grow with dbol no need to stack another oral but to make longer cycle, few months at least with no fear.
i know this will flame someone but as u asked for different points of view i feel its my duty to speak like everyone else here my belief and my honest opinion based on what i lived and saw in life
i know this will flame someone but as u asked for different points of view i feel its my duty to speak like everyone else here my belief and my honest opinion based on what i lived and saw in life
Steve The Bluesman
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skacorica said:
I agree. We all know about the water retension issues, but what makes Dbol any different than any other AAS? If one runs Dbol only for 6 weeks, maybe throw in some proviron to fight the bloat, and finish with a week to 10 days of Winny to harden up, how exactly do you lose all of your muscle gains? You will lose your water weight, but the gains, just like any other, should remain with PCT, no?
For what it's worth, I am going to put my money where my mouth is...I am going to run the above starting in March with HST and I will log it here, good results or bad...
Bluesman
Steve The Bluesman said:
Eh BluesBrother.....
The mistake people make with D-bol is thinking the gains they made were LBM when in fact most of it was fat and water retention. D-bol's mechanism of action is to store water, electrolytes in the muscle tissues thereby giving the muscle system leverage for increased lifts, but when the drug use is ceased with it goes that excess water in the muscle bellies and much of the "expected" gains....I think you will retain a decent strength gain from a D-bol only cycle, but not really much in terms of LBM gain.
Just my observation.
DIV
pudding
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I agree with you here and I know you are not a fan of orals, can't argue with your well founded reasons, its obvious youve done your homework. What oral would you suggest to follow dbol to retain some gains for someone who can't inject. Please don't take me down the road of why. You can search my posts if you need to know reasonDIVISION said:Eh BluesBrother.....
The mistake people make with D-bol is thinking the gains they made were LBM when in fact most of it was fat and water retention. D-bol's mechanism of action is to store water, electrolytes in the muscle tissues thereby giving the muscle system leverage for increased lifts, but when the drug use is ceased with it goes that excess water in the muscle bellies and much of the "expected" gains....I think you will retain a decent strength gain from a D-bol only cycle, but not really much in terms of LBM gain.
Just my observation.
DIV
pudding said:
If you must use D-bol, the go -------> D-bol---->Winny------->Halo
That's the best I can do on a limited basis.
Winny is my favorite oral.....it gives me no sides, not even the cholesterol or joint sides and give me muscular endurance.......explosive torque.
That's why sprinters love it.
DIV
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pudding
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why have i cut off winny?DIVISION said:If you must use D-bol, the go -------> D-bol---->Halo------->Anavar
That's the best I can do on a limited basis, since you cut off Winny.
Winny is my favorite oral.....it gives me no sides, not even the cholesterol or joint sides and give me muscular endurance.......explosive torque.
That's why sprinters love it.
DIV
NoProblems1
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Thx guys for what you think on this topic. If im not mistaking you guys said use d-bol for around 6 weeks. Isnt that really bad on the liver i know i could recover with some milk thistle or liver 5.2 but should i take the liver 5.2 or milk thistle at the end of the cycle? And what gains should i be looking at when taking d-bol such as if my max rep on bench is 250 how much do you think it will go up?
luciano
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A real fact from romania.
A friend of mine asked a pharmacist for vitamins and lady gave him naposim.
He said : "hey lady dont u know this is an AAS ?! its not a vitamin "
She said i know but this is everyone gets."Evreyone" = yong guys that have never heared thw words : cycle or clomid , PCT , etc
What i said its nothing else that a fact i dont advice anything just telling u some things.
and :
on the prescript of the naposim the producer did not consider necessary to mention it is toxic for liver.
A friend of mine asked a pharmacist for vitamins and lady gave him naposim.
He said : "hey lady dont u know this is an AAS ?! its not a vitamin "
She said i know but this is everyone gets."Evreyone" = yong guys that have never heared thw words : cycle or clomid , PCT , etc
What i said its nothing else that a fact i dont advice anything just telling u some things.
and :
on the prescript of the naposim the producer did not consider necessary to mention it is toxic for liver.
NoProblems1
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what was your dosage 20-25 mg?
luciano
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I see another reason for a beginer should use Dbol only at his first cycle and i speak about me in the first place.
As we all agree that result depends mostly on the quality of the work out and that depends on the experience u have , playing few easy cycle with 25 or 30 mg of Dbol could learn u how to train when taking steroids in order to maximise the gains.Then u'll be ready for a real solid cycle .I have almost one year of dbol , not continuosly of course but added together , and i made many training mistakes at the begining .It happens many times that unexperienced guys fail to achieve their great xpected gains even they run a serious injectable cycle .So that could be sad and v frustrant .
In what concerns me only after this one year i start to consider myself ready for a strong cycle .IM not afraid of pins , i made 400mg of primo in the past and when i was a child a lotta penicylins which hurts bad .I just want to b sure when im gonna hit a real AAS injectable stack i will get as much as posible from it.
As we all agree that result depends mostly on the quality of the work out and that depends on the experience u have , playing few easy cycle with 25 or 30 mg of Dbol could learn u how to train when taking steroids in order to maximise the gains.Then u'll be ready for a real solid cycle .I have almost one year of dbol , not continuosly of course but added together , and i made many training mistakes at the begining .It happens many times that unexperienced guys fail to achieve their great xpected gains even they run a serious injectable cycle .So that could be sad and v frustrant .
In what concerns me only after this one year i start to consider myself ready for a strong cycle .IM not afraid of pins , i made 400mg of primo in the past and when i was a child a lotta penicylins which hurts bad .I just want to b sure when im gonna hit a real AAS injectable stack i will get as much as posible from it.
luciano
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there is something that still keeps me away from pins , i just have xcellent gains with dbol only at 50 mg/day so i don feel like taking something else at all.
If i wouldnt be satisfied as i said , believe me i would definitely sting my butt , i have $$ , guts , experience, good safe cheap source , all i need .
If i wouldnt be satisfied as i said , believe me i would definitely sting my butt , i have $$ , guts , experience, good safe cheap source , all i need .
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