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Is Anavar and Winny a good combination?

WARBIRDWS6 said:


lol. come on man....we are all taking massive amounts of steroids and other whacko shit here, and your stressing this dude over 50-75mg of oral 17-aa. and we are talking anavar and winny, not dbol and anadrol. i'm doing 50mg dbol and 25mg anadrol right now...not that that is smart, but guys do 100mg anadrol and 50mg dbol all the time. low dose anavar and low dose winny is fine. no matter what any website say's.

may I ask you why 25 mg of anadrol with 50 mg of dbols ? WHy not just dbols ? or anadrol ? To be effective anadrol needs to be taken at 50 mg at least but maybe you have an unknown reason....

BTW last time I checked, docs here weren't giving any script for anavar to Hep C patients.
 
manny78 said:


may I ask you why 25 mg of anadrol with 50 mg of dbols ? WHy not just dbols ? or anadrol ? To be effective anadrol needs to be taken at 50 mg at least but maybe you have an unknown reason....

basically because i felt like it....and i don't care what the supposed effective dosage is or what "everyone else" thinks. i want to do things different, not the same old shit. :) better yet, i'm a fucking idiot. that sounds like a better explanation.
 
manny78 said:


may I ask you why 25 mg of anadrol with 50 mg of dbols ? WHy not just dbols ? or anadrol ? To be effective anadrol needs to be taken at 50 mg at least but maybe you have an unknown reason....

BTW last time I checked, docs here weren't giving any script for anavar to Hep C patients.

I didnt mean that Docs gave them Vars FOR Hep C, but to those patients (like burn victims) who also happen to have liver problems, because Var was so mild on the system.

Here is a partial profile of Var from Big Cat over at bb.com:

"An intrinsically weak steroid with a high price-tag and low availability, oxandrolone owes its large popularity due to its safety. In sharp contrast to oxymetholone, oxandrolone is quite generally considered to be the safest of all steroids. Its effects are more than well-documented and have been for a few decades now. The medical community values oxandrolone as a safe alternative for more harmful steroids, which is why it is considered safe for use in children and even in patients suffering hepa-toxicity as the result of alternate steroid use1.

It's most noted medical use has been in the expediting of wound healing2,3 often practically applied to the treatment of burns 4,5,6. But recently its gaining popularity again as a means of keeping weight on HIV-infected patients suffering from wasting due to the immuno-deficiency virus. It was also considered safe for use in prepubescent children with a growth delay7. No major harmful effects were noted from this particular therapy, eventhough one study8 reported that the use of oxandrolone did speed up the onset of puberty in these children. Furthermore oxandrolone has found frequent applications in the treatment of other wasting symptoms for hepatitis and cancer as well as the treatment of osteoporosis in both men and women of all ages. "

Studies he referanced:
1 Segal S, Cooper J, Bolognia J., Treatment of lipodermatosclerosis with oxandrolone in a patient with stanozolol-induced hepatotoxicity., J Am Acad Dermatol 2000 Sep;43(3):558-9

2 Demling RH., Oxandrolone, an anabolic steroid, enhances the healing of a cutaneous wound in the rat., Wound Repair Regen 2000 Mar-Apr;8(2):97-102

3 Demling RH, Orgill DP., The anticatabolic and wound healing effects of the testosterone analog oxandrolone after severe burn injury., J Crit Care 2000 Mar;15(1):12-7

4 Hart DW, Wolf SE, Ramzy PI, Chinkes DL, Beauford RB, Ferrando AA, Wolfe RR, Herndon DN., Anabolic effects of oxandrolone after severe burn., Ann Surg 2001 Apr;233(4):556-64

5 Demling RH, DeSanti L., The rate of restoration of body weight after burn injury, using the anabolic agent oxandrolone, is not age dependent., Burns 2001 Feb;27(1):46-51

6 Demling RH, DeSanti L., Oxandrolone, an anabolic steroid, significantly increases the rate of weight gain in the recovery phase after major burns., J Trauma 1997 Jul;43(1):47-51

7 Papadimitriou A, Preece MA, Rolland-Cachera MF, Stanhope R., The anabolic steroid oxandrolone increases muscle mass in prepubertal boys with constitutional delay of growth., J Pediatr Endocrinol Metab 2001 Jun;14(6):725-7

8 Doeker B, Muller-Michaels J, Andler W, Induction of early puberty in a boy after treatment with oxandrolone? Horm Res 1998;50(1):46-8
 
WARBIRDWS6 said:


basically because i felt like it....and i don't care what the supposed effective dosage is or what "everyone else" thinks. i want to do things different, not the same old shit. :) better yet, i'm a fucking idiot. that sounds like a better explanation.

Im liking Warbirds attitude on this thread, esepcially since he agrees with me...but your still short :doublefi:
 
hitmeoff said:


Im liking Warbirds attitude on this thread, esepcially since he agrees with me...but your still short :doublefi:

fill out that frame yet? lol. :doublefi:
 
hitmeoff said:


I didnt mean that Docs gave them Vars FOR Hep C, but to those patients (like burn victims) who also happen to have liver problems, because Var was so mild on the system.

Here is a partial profile of Var from Big Cat over at bb.com:



Again, be careful interpreting the studies. Some of them are very small patient samples and the hepatitis studies thus far are all alcoholic (see my post from today on this board about anavar).
I can tell you from personal experience, the "straight" medical community is NOT all gaga over the wonders of Oxandrin. It's getting limited use at lower doses.
I would love to see it more widely used (I just put my 77 y/o mother on it at 10mg a day!)
But Big Cat's profile is partly wishful thinking.

Buffdoc
 
I like Warbirds attitude on this thread...especially since he agrees with me.
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See post # 17.

I'd say 90% of the questions on this board aren't questions at all. It's just someone looking for others to agree with an existing opinion.

When people say things like "I think it's not bad" or "in my opinion it's okay" they should at least have an inkling as to WHY they feel that way. More often than not, it's just wishful thinking. All 17AA are liver toxic! END OF STORY. Winstrol has a dramatic effect on lipid profiles! Get your facts straight before offering an opinion with no merit other than it's what you want to believe.

At least Warbird admits he's doing dumb shit and that's his right. But if anyone is seriously taking his advice thinking that it comes from an rational perspective they're going to get burned. Then again, see post #17.
 
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hitorbehit said:
Bros, just wondering, would say 40 mgs of Anavar and 40 mgs of oral Zambon Winnys be a good, safe cycle. Then followd by 100 mgs of Clomid each day for 14 days? What do you fellas think?:fro: :fro:

hitorbehit, Anavar and Winstrol work very well together and should give you some nice results of lean quality muscle without any unwanted water weight. Anavar will help your strength go up and Winstrol will make your muscles harder. Yes, they are both 17aa's, but Anavar is pretty mild to the liver and Winstrol is less toxic than the worst orals out there (Anadrol, Methyltest, Halotest). Winstrol is comparable to Dianabol in regard to liver toxicity, somewhere in the middle ground. If you limit your cycle to 6 weeks in duration, you'll have nothing to worry about and nothing but positive results with minimal sides. If you're trying to make this cycle a little safer, cut your doses down to 25 mg each for the Var and Winny. This is still an effective dose for this particular stack. Two orals can be taken simultaneously in the same cycle if you watch the dosage and don't run them too long, with the latter being the most important.

PS - Make sure and run Clomid for 2 weeks after this cycle, mainly due to Winstrol's activity in shutting you down.

NN:)
 
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