Is Anavar and Winny a good combination?

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Might I suggest

Might I suggest.....Duchaine's USH rich man's stack of Andriol and Oxandrolone.

Andriol was the first juice I used and worked very well aside from the acne and water retention. That was in the days b4 anti-e's etc were in use in UK. I imagine the addition of Arimi or Aromasin and finasteride work make it even better ( and more expensive ) perhaps even a little proviron to keep NM happy.

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[WARBIRDWS6]

I like Warbirds attitude on this thread...especially since he agrees with me.
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See post # 17.

I'd say 90% of the questions on this board aren't questions at all. It's just someone looking for others to agree with an existing opinion.

When people say things like "I think it's not bad" or "in my opinion it's okay" they should at least have an inkling as to WHY they feel that way. More often than not, it's just wishful thinking. All 17AA are liver toxic! END OF STORY. Winstrol has a dramatic effect on lipid profiles! Get your facts straight before offering an opinion with no merit other than it's what you want to believe.

At least Warbird admits he's doing dumb shit and that's his right. But if anyone is seriously taking his advice thinking that it comes from an rational perspective they're going to get burned. Then again, see post #17.

i take shitloads of 17-aa and i'm alright. you would like to argue about any foolishness at any length because that is how you get your attention...so i take what you say with a grain of salt anyway. anavar is not dangerous, so just deal with it. high dose winny CAN be dangerous. so rant and rave all you want. g'day!

 

[hitmeoff]

When people say things like "I think it's not bad" or "in my opinion it's okay" they should at least have an inkling as to WHY they feel that way. More often than not, it's just wishful thinking. All 17AA are liver toxic! END OF STORY. Winstrol has a dramatic effect on lipid profiles! Get your facts straight before offering an opinion with no merit other than it's what you want to believe.

At least Warbird admits he's doing dumb shit and that's his right. But if anyone is seriously taking his advice thinking that it comes from an rational perspective they're going to get burned. Then again, see post #17.

So what are you saying? Did you read why I thought it wouldnt be all that bad to use Var and Winny together? I didnt just stay "Hey yeah i think that be cool" I clearly stated the logic behind it.

I knew about WInny and its affects on blood lipid profiles, but what does thi have to do with stacking winny with var, since people stack winny with just about everything else (or am I missing something here, and is Var worse in general than other AAS on your lipid profile? ) So by saying "Winny has a dramatic effect on lipid profiles!" do you mean to say that its so bad that it shouldnt be stacked with any other AAS, so as not exarcerbate the problem further? Or are you saying one shouldnt use winny at all? I mean, really what was the point of mentioning that? We are discussing liver hepatoxicity not lipid profles. Id think other AAS commonly used with winny would have aworse effect on blood lipids than Var...but am I wrong? Is Var really the Black Death of BBing?

Back to original post. I said the reason why i think his dose isnt all that because I didnt think 80mg of Var+Winny could be any worse than say 100mg of Winny or 100mg of Drol which are commen dosages for those drugs. Ok, Var is 17aa, got it, great (though I knew this already too), now that that point has been beaten to the ground, so are you saying that all 17aa's are created equal? 50mg of Var is just as bad as 50mg of Winny? as bad as 50mg Dbol? as bad as 50mg of Drol? as bad as 50mg of Halo? Again did my facts miss something here? I was under the impression that 17aa's dont have a set level of hepatoxicity, that it varies from drug to drug (although the all do have a certain level of hepatoxicity). Was I wrong about this? 50mg of Var really is as bad for the liver as 50mg of Halo? 100mg of Winny is as bad as 100mg of Drol? as bad as 50mg of Var and 50mg of Winny?

Wait your hang up really is on 40mg of Var + 40mg of Winny. Well thats only 80mg of 17aa's. If all 17aa are created equal as far as hepatoxicity goes, then why is it not a problem for people to take 100mg of Drol and not ok to take 80mg (less than 100mg) of Var + Winny? Oh wait, you mean to say that theres something about actually mixing two 17aa's that has some sort of synegistically bad effect on the liver? By mixing 2 17aa's, regardless of dose used will be alot worse than using a higher dose of any single one?

Now Im not just trying to be a smart ass about this. Im actually being serious. Alot of vets here seem to have this hang up, so maybe I really am missing something, so can you please explain?

Points Understood, they dont need to be mentioned again:
1. Var is 17aa
2. all 17aas are hepatoxic to some degree
3. Winny is bad for blood lipid levels.

Please dont discuss this again, its been beaten into the ground.

Points I need clarification on:
1. Are all 17aas created equal as far as hepatoxicity goes (ie 50mg of Var as bad as 50mg of Winny as bad as 50mg of Dbol as Bad as 50mg of Drol as bad as 50mg of Halo)?
2. If all 17aas are created equal in hepatoxctiy why is 80mg of Winny + Var worse than 100mg of Drol or 100mg of Winny alone? OR
3. In there some kind of effect that happens when mixing two 17aa's that will make them more hepatoxic at equal levels (ie 40mg of Var + 40mg of Winny worse than 100mg of Drol)?

 

[Nutrient-Nut]

Points I need clarification on:
1. Are all 17aas created equal as far as hepatoxicity goes (ie 50mg of Var as bad as 50mg of Winny as bad as 50mg of Dbol as Bad as 50mg of Drol as bad as 50mg of Halo)?
2. If all 17aas are created equal in hepatoxctiy why is 80mg of Winny + Var worse than 100mg of Drol or 100mg of Winny alone? OR
3. In there some kind of effect that happens when mixing two 17aa's that will make them more hepatoxic at equal levels (ie 40mg of Var + 40mg of Winny worse than 100mg of Drol)?

Hey man, you're right on the money! I agree with almost everything that you said in your post. Some people here will tell you that mg for mg all orals are the same in regard to liver toxicity, but that is bullshit. A typical dose of Halotestin is 20 mg per day, and you can't say that 20 mg per day of Anavar is just as toxic to the liver as Halo. Some Elite idiots believe that this is true I guess. They couldn't be more wrong though. All 17aa's are equal on a mg per mg basis. Bullshit!!!

NN

 

[hitmeoff]

Hey man, you're right on the money! I agree with almost everything that you said in your post. Some people here will tell you that mg for mg all orals are the same in regard to liver toxicity, but that is bullshit. A typical dose of Halotestin is 20 mg per day, and you can't say that 20 mg per day of Anavar is just as toxic to the liver as Halo. Some Elite idiots believe that this is true I guess. They couldn't be more wrong though. All 17aa's are equal on a mg per mg basis. Bullshit!!!

NN

Oooh you know, I soooo wish I was wrong about this one! Cause that would mean I could be poppin Halo's like they were Dbols, or Vars.

However, I dont think I'll be taking 50mg of Halo anytime soon

 

[Nelson Montana]

hitmeoff: You misunderstood. I wasn't directing everything toward you. Someone said they didn't think Winny was that bad and someone else said they didn't think var was that bad and my point is, why are they saying that other than that's the way they want it to be?

I will not address statements such as "I take this and that and I'm fine." That's ludicrous. A 19 year old kid can smoke 3 packs of cigerettes a day and be fine for years to come. That doesn't make it smart. Paul Borreson felt great until he dropped dead at age 35.

People also need to understand why a 17AA is liver toxic. It isn't so much that the actual chemical is toxic. It's the fact that it forces the liver to essentially ignore it's functon, therby causing extreme stress. So yes, a mg of 1AA is a mg of 17AA in terms of liver damage.

Drugs like Halotesten have other toxic qualities beyond it's 17AA.

To think 100mgs of an oral is safe is a judgement call. I wouldnt do it, but that's me. Saying "it's okay" or you'll be fine" isn't something I'd be comfortable doing. Then again, if the kid suffers liver failure, what's he going to do? Call you? Or Warbird?

Is 100mgs of Winny as toxic as 100mgs of Anadrol? You bet your life -- except the 100mgs of Winny will build more muscle with virtually no chance of gyno.

Suggesting an anti-e with winny and Var is ignorence. I don't mean that as a slam. It's just that someone who would suggest that simply isn't aware that both Winny and Var don't convert to estrogen to any substantial degree. And anti-e's do not improve results, they hinder them.

I know I come on strong sometimes, but I don't want to offend anyone...really. But eveyone must realize this is not a game. It isn't a "everyone is entitled to their opinion: format. Drug use is a serious, potentially dangerous endevour and advice should tempered with knowledge and responsibility-- two things which I'm afraid are sorely lacking on these boards at times.

 

[hitmeoff]

Ok Nelson,

Everything is clear now.

Now Im gonna go smoke a joint and cool off :havoc:

Peace brothas

 

[hitmeoff]

Oh wait, before I go off and smoke a doob, was wondering on one point you made.

Ok Winny doest aromatize, so the use of Anti-E's like Arimdex is killer, since both do a number on blood lipid profiles. But what about doing Nolva or Clomid along with Winny, not for the sake of preventing aromatase but for the sake of improving blood lipid levels? A bit of Tam can go a long way in helping your cholesterol.

 

[jacobswell]

bump. to get a reply to the post above.

i was using the search function to get some info on a var and winny cycle and came across this.

im consdering using 25mg of var and 25mg of winny so that would be 50mg of oral. will aslo use ala and milk thistle of course. any thoughts. and is the low doses of both var and winny gonna do anything or will the fact that 50mg of As are being used a day mean that i can use both at the aformentioned level.

 

[Jeff_rys]

"i take shitloads of 17-aa and i'm alright."

One can hardly say this is a rule of thumb.

As for the combo of Anavar with Winny....ever heard of Winny injectables?

Jeff