is an all white organization racist?

[***]

there are a bunch of asian clubs in schools, black churches, latino teams, etc. they are all seen as very socially acceptable, but if a college or other organization were to start an all white club of some sort they would be seen as racists... it's a strange double standard isn't it?

 

[slobberknocker]

Not as long as they're just "pro white," I guess.

 

[Bullit]

... it's a strange double standard isn't it?

yes, but those 'in power' are not allowed to make fun of those not in power.

Blacks make fun of whites all the time, but the opposite is not allowed.

Women makefun of men all the time, but the opposite is not allowed.

 

[2Thick]

There are no "white clubs" because the whites are the majority.

 

[Bullit]

There are no "white clubs" because the whites are the majority.

This makes no logical sense though.
In a purely un-racist world whats good for one is considered good for the other.

 

[The Whole F/N Show]

Now c'mon would you rather be white in our society with no PC all white organizations or be black or another minority? And most "all black" I can't speak on other groups do allow non black member. I remember white members of black fraternities, white members of the black student union. Those numbers were small but they were allowed it. Most of the all whatever groups/clubs do allow people of other races in.

 

[natedog]

In a purely "un-racist" world, there wouldn't be asian, black or latino "clubs" either.

One of the main reasons you don't see a lot of white clubs is because of all the bad press the few white clubs that do exist (KKK anyone?) bring on them.

For what exactly do you need an all white "club?"

 

[plornive]

Minority clubs make sense because they facilitate the consolidation of their power. Whites in the US don't need this because most of the government and businesses are run by whites.

I tend to think whites happen to be the least clannish of races. There are a lot of Asian clubs in the US. There aren't many white clubs in Asia, even where there are many whites and society is civil.

 

[Hengst]

How about in situations where the white is in the minority. E.g. an inner city high school that has, lets say, a 25% white student body. Should those 25% of the students be allowed to organize a Euro-American Student Union?

2Thick, by your standards they should be.

Plornive, shouldn't that 25% minority also have the equal opportunity to "consolidate their power" too?

 

[plornive]

Plornive, shouldn't that 25% minority also have the equal opportunity to "consolidate their power" too?

Sure. They should legally be allowed to do so no matter what percent of the population they represent.

 

[plornive]

This makes no logical sense though.
In a purely un-racist world whats good for one is considered good for the other.

It makes sense because the world is racist.

 

[FreeballinDC]

Yes, all NHL teams are racist!

 

[the nature boy]

Yes, all NHL teams are racist!

fuck you beat me to it.

 

[FreeballinDC]

Sorry about that bud! When we do the DC meetup, the first magarita is on me.

 

[the nature boy]

Sorry about that bud! When we do the DC meetup, the first magarita is on me.

whatever Woodley Park, you're buying me a grey goose martini. I know how you DC folks roll.

 

[FreeballinDC]

What? No Cosmo? How about a greyhound?

There is a new jazz club in town that supposedly serves up some wild chocolate martinis. I gotta try that sometime.

Sticking to topic though, I was driving through town on Benning Road, and I passed a golf course.

There were black people in DC playing golf!!! Imagine that!!

I about shit myself.

 

[the nature boy]

What? No Cosmo? How about a greyhound?

There is a new jazz club in town that supposedly serves up some wild chocolate martinis. I gotta try that sometime.

Sticking to topic though, I was driving through town on Benning Road, and I passed a golf course.

There were black people in DC playing golf!!! Imagine that!!

I about shit myself.

<ignorant white voice> yeah I heard they're letting the coloreds play golf now. damn tiger woods. <ignorant white voice>

 

[FreeballinDC]

Not only that, but they let wimmin play golf too! Damn that Babe Dedrickson! Next thing you'll know, they'll let blacks and wimmin start driving.


Fuck, I am in the mood for a Bloody Mary right about now, and Old Ebbitts is around the corner....

 

[powerforward]

several black nhl players btw.

Yes, all NHL teams are racist!

 

[FreeballinDC]

several black nhl players btw.

I know, but the way he worded the subject of this thread just opened the door to all sorts of stupidity.

Since I am stupid, I took advantage of the open door policy.

 

[powerforward]

i don't think there should be all white organizations, but i do beleive that all male or all female clubs should be allowed. as far

 

[Baoh]

I think you should be able to have whatever kind of private organization you want so long as it does not infringe upon others.

 

[Judah Bauer]

well racism by definitley includes three things...1) a belief in racial superiority...2) Belief in biological base of that superiority...3.) The means to enforce that superiority.

So if an all white organization is "furthering white power" by not including blacks..by whatever way...then yes its racist. If its simply reinforcing in group solidarity (which is actually what most "black groups" do)...then no.

This is why its argued that blacks aren't racist...although they may be quite prejudice. Because they have no means to enforce racial superiority, and probably don't believe it. Most of their "exclusive" groups are for the purpose of black solidarity, and really don't have anything to do with whites....while in the past exclusively white groups have at times had the purpose of furthering white power.

 

[Hengst]

well racism by definitley includes three things...1) a belief in racial superiority...2) Belief in biological base of that superiority...3.) The means to enforce that superiority.

So if an all white organization is "furthering white power" by not including blacks..by whatever way...then yes its racist. If its simply reinforcing in group solidarity (which is actually what most "black groups" do)...then no.

This is why its argued that blacks aren't racist...although they may be quite prejudice. Because they have no means to enforce racial superiority, and probably don't believe it. Most of their "exclusive" groups are for the purpose of black solidarity, and really don't have anything to do with whites....while in the past exclusively white groups have at times had the purpose of furthering white power.

I understand what you are saying but it makes me vomit - To say that Blacks cannot be racist.

By your reasoning, ANY whites only group is inherently racist and ANY black only group cannot inherently be racist. How about a Bowling league. What if a bowling league wanted to stay amongst themselves as a white only league. Is that racist, compared to a black only league?

I actually believe that currently accepted black only groups are EXTREMELY racist. e.g. Nation of Islam, NAACP. Both exist to "Further black power" and meet your definition of racism.

 

[Hengst]

i don't think there should be all white organizations, but i do beleive that all male or all female clubs should be allowed. as far

what about all black organizations?

 

[powerforward]

most of the all black organzitions that i know of have or allow white members.

 

[kingc_79]

most of the all black organzitions that i know of have or allow white members.

does the naacp allow white members?....it may, i dunno, but does it?

 

[Hengst]

most of the all black organzitions that i know of have or allow white members.

But the question is........ Should all black organizations be allowed to exist?

 

[powerforward]

the naacp allows whites,hispanics,asians.

 

[atlantabiolab]

well racism by definitley includes three things...1) a belief in racial superiority...2) Belief in biological base of that superiority...3.) The means to enforce that superiority.

So if an all white organization is "furthering white power" by not including blacks..by whatever way...then yes its racist. If its simply reinforcing in group solidarity (which is actually what most "black groups" do)...then no.

This is why its argued that blacks aren't racist...although they may be quite prejudice. Because they have no means to enforce racial superiority, and probably don't believe it. Most of their "exclusive" groups are for the purpose of black solidarity, and really don't have anything to do with whites....while in the past exclusively white groups have at times had the purpose of furthering white power.

rac·ism
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I see nothing in the definition accounting for your 3rd assertion, mainly because this is an irrational qualification that minority groups have created to give them lisence to be racist also.

Racist organizations have the right to exist by the right of free association and opinion. What is not their right is the right to acceptance of their belief by others.

 

[the nature boy]

are irish organizations racist? last I checked all irish are white.

 

[joack]

there are a bunch of asian clubs in schools, black churches, latino teams, etc. they are all seen as very socially acceptable, but if a college or other organization were to start an all white club of some sort they would be seen as racists... it's a strange double standard isn't it?

KKK? Arian Brotherhood? White Knights?

 

[Judah Bauer]

I understand what you are saying but it makes me vomit - To say that Blacks cannot be racist.

By your reasoning, ANY whites only group is inherently racist and ANY black only group cannot inherently be racist. How about a Bowling league. What if a bowling league wanted to stay amongst themselves as a white only league. Is that racist, compared to a black only league?

I actually believe that currently accepted black only groups are EXTREMELY racist. e.g. Nation of Islam, NAACP. Both exist to "Further black power" and meet your definition of racism.

Really though, there's truth to it. At least in the US. Blacks cannot be racist because they just don't have the power over whites to dominate them....the power that whites do have over blacks. They can, however, be prejudice and hate whites just for being whites. But power is a key element in racism.

I see nothing in the definition accounting for your 3rd assertion, mainly because this is an irrational qualification that minority groups have created to give them lisence to be racist also.

thats because that's some definition you got from an online dictionary or something. Check out the definitions of racism used by sociologist, anthropologists, social psychologists ect...the people that study racism. If you wanted to find out what, for instance, a medical term really meant...do you think the best, most accurate definition would be in websters or Guyton's Textbook of physiology? which would be watered down?

Like I said Power over another race is basically the biggest factor that separates racism from prejudice.

 

[atlantabiolab]

thats because that's some definition you got from an online dictionary or something. Check out the definitions of racism used by sociologist, anthropologists, social psychologists ect...the people that study racism. If you wanted to find out what, for instance, a medical term really meant...do you think the best, most accurate definition would be in websters or Guyton's Textbook of physiology? which would be watered down?

Like I said Power over another race is basically the biggest factor that separates racism from prejudice.

Racism is not POWER it is an ideology, no matter what someone in the various fields you state suggest. Racism is different than prejudice, as if I need to elaborate on this, because racism is defined by the sole concept of RACE, whereas prejudice can be a multitude of specifics. Not to mention, I doubt that the consensus of the various fields agree with this attached qualification.

As anyone with a brain can understand, the only reason for adding the qualification of "power" into the idea of racism, is to absolve them from label when they themselves hold this belief.

 

[joack]

Racism is not POWER it is an ideology, no matter what someone in the various fields you state suggest. Racism is different than prejudice, as if I need to elaborate on this, because racism is defined by the sole concept of RACE, whereas prejudice can be a multitude of specifics. Not to mention, I doubt that the consensus of the various fields agree with this attached qualification.

As anyone with a brain can understand, the only reason for adding the qualification of "power" into the idea of racism, is to absolve them from label when they themselves hold this belief.

IMO - I always thought that racism was predicated by power. A person can have racist views but actual racism happens when those racist views are combined with power.

For example - Denying someone a job, business loan, housing because of your racist views is racism becuase your in a position of power and used that power carry out your racist views/agenda.
That power could be in the form of government, community, law enforcement, etc.

I witnessed racism all of my life so has my family back Miss. and Lousianna and many lost their lives to racist whites (both pre & post- slavery). I just think that if a person is racist, from any race, & s/he/they doen't have the power to carryout their racists views and hatred then actual racism has not occurred. They are still bigots and racists nevertheless.

 

[spentagn]

Re: Re: is an all white organization racist?

KKK? Arian Brotherhood? White Knights?

and these are socially acceptable?

 

[the nature boy]

Re: Re: Re: is an all white organization racist?

and these are socially acceptable?

what about the knights of colombus. what the hell are they anyway?

 

[joack]

Re: Re: Re: is an all white organization racist?

and these are socially acceptable?

I would hope not

 

[atlantabiolab]

IMO - I always thought that racism was predicated by power. A person can have racist views but actual racism happens when those racist views are combined with power.

Are skin-heads, who never physically hurt anyone, sit all day on the Internet writing opinions regarding blacks inferior, racist? By your definition they can never be racist. Changing the word from racism to racist only changes the meaning from the concept to the individual, no different than liberalism to liberal.

For example - Denying someone a job, business loan, housing because of your racist views is racism becuase your in a position of power and used that power carry out your racist views/agenda.
That power could be in the form of government, community, law enforcement, etc.

The idea had to precede the action, so racism is only the ideology from which one acts. It is differentiated from prejudice because you have narrowed the idea down to a belief system that focuses on the concept of race.

I witnessed racism all of my life so has my family back Miss. and Lousianna and many lost their lives to racist whites (both pre & post- slavery). I just think that if a person is racist, from any race, & s/he/they doen't have the power to carryout their racists views and hatred then actual racism has not occurred. They are still bigots and racists nevertheless.

If I go on TV and use all of my abilities to denounce blacks as inferior, am I not practicing racism? You would have to say no based on your qualifications of the idea. Racism is the idea, understand that "isms" are beliefs, that one supports which upholds that one race is superior to another.

Bigotry is not derived from racial hatred, but religious, although common usage covers racism. Bigotry derives from religious intolerance and hypocrisy.

 

[joack]

Are skin-heads, who never physically hurt anyone, sit all day on the Internet writing opinions regarding blacks inferior, racist? By your definition they can never be racist. Changing the word from racism to racist only changes the meaning from the concept to the individual, no different than liberalism to liberal.



The idea had to precede the action, so racism is only the ideology from which one acts. It is differentiated from prejudice because you have narrowed the idea down to a belief system that focuses on the concept of race.



If I go on TV and use all of my abilities to denounce blacks as inferior, am I not practicing racism? You would have to say no based on your qualifications of the idea. Racism is the idea, understand that "isms" are beliefs, that one supports which upholds that one race is superior to another.

Bigotry is not derived from racial hatred, but religious, although common usage covers racism. Bigotry derives from religious intolerance and hypocrisy.

I respect your opinions. What I stated above were my opinions about racism. Racist people are usually bigots as well. You answered your question to me correctly. I disagree about "isms" only being a belief system. But thats ok, we can agree to disagree.

In the bigger picture it really doesn't matter to me much. I know that every race has people who are racist, I just try to stay away from all of them. What about yourself (& others on this board)?

 

[Sinistar]

are all white groups racist? no

are all black groups racist? damn near every one.

are all men clubs mysogynistic? no

are all women clubs anti-man? damn near all of them.

so its ok for all black groups to consolidate powr but not whites? i personally like being on top, and dont feel the need to be rolled over by stupid ass new york/new jersey media.

 

[joack]

are all white groups racist? no

are all black groups racist? damn near every one.

are all men clubs mysogynistic? no

are all women clubs anti-man? damn near all of them.

so its ok for all black groups to consolidate powr but not whites? i personally like being on top, and dont feel the need to be rolled over by stupid ass new york/new jersey media.

...lol... damn thats funny!

 

[collegiateLifter]

Really though, there's truth to it. At least in the US. Blacks cannot be racist because they just don't have the power over whites to dominate them....the power that whites do have over blacks. They can, however, be prejudice and hate whites just for being whites. But power is a key element in racism.


thats because that's some definition you got from an online dictionary or something. Check out the definitions of racism used by sociologist, anthropologists, social psychologists ect...the people that study racism. If you wanted to find out what, for instance, a medical term really meant...do you think the best, most accurate definition would be in websters or Guyton's Textbook of physiology? which would be watered down?

Like I said Power over another race is basically the biggest factor that separates racism from prejudice.

For some reason you don't seem to think that history, sociology, psychology, etc are strongly influence by the times that they're in.

I am not gonna touch the issue of all black clubs, but only analyze your 'definition' of racism.

Allow me to use an instance of anti-semitism and racism as a case in point. Lets examine the Nazi-party of Germany immediately shortly WWI. The party was young and inneffective in the early '20s. They didn't have mass support (yet). They didn't have gov support (yet). They weren't very powerful (yet). They didn't commit organized against those whom they hated (yet). The Bierhall Putsch was a failure. Hitler was sent off to jail.

All of these things point to the fact that the young Nazi party did not have

The means to enforce that superiority.

So would you argue that the young Nazi party was neither racist nor anti-semetic?

You should read up on the Politics of Reality.

 

[2Thick]

How about in situations where the white is in the minority. E.g. an inner city high school that has, lets say, a 25% white student body. Should those 25% of the students be allowed to organize a Euro-American Student Union?

2Thick, by your standards they should be.

Plornive, shouldn't that 25% minority also have the equal opportunity to "consolidate their power" too?

I am talking about national numbers.

For example, would it be wrong to start a white club in South Africa? No, because the Afrikaans are the minority.

 

[2Thick]

This makes no logical sense though.
In a purely un-racist world whats good for one is considered good for the other.

Imagine that you were in Japan. Would it be wrong to start a canadian club (AKA white club)?

No, because you are the minority there.

 

[jwill3:16]

Not as long as they're just "pro white," I guess.

doesn't matter any all white club would take bad flack bottom line.

 

[slobberknocker]

Not really sure what to say, but for some reason this topic always makes me really really angry. Maybe because I'm white, and I used to live in North Philadelphia, in a mostly black community. A lot of resentment, in me. Got called cracker a lot. White boy. Whatever. They can keep having their special clubs and support groups, I don't give a fuck. I'm still the tougher person. Maybe that's why there aren't as many all-white groups: we're individuals, and instead of bitching about our problems we fucking fix them ourselves, on our own.



Damn, that felt good.

 

[***]

I am talking about national numbers.

For example, would it be wrong to start a white club in South Africa? No, because the Afrikaans are the minority.

when you're living in a neighborhood like slobberknocker i don't think you'd be too concerned about national numbers. if you're white you realize that you are the minority, but if you form a white support group then you'd be looked at as a racist and likely shot on your way home from your support group meeting.

i would love to see a world where there's on segregation, but i also hate seeing double standards where it's ok for one group of people to do something, but it's completely unacceptable, or even illegal for another group to do the identical thing.

 

[Judah Bauer]

For some reason you don't seem to think that history, sociology, psychology, etc are strongly influence by the times that they're in.

I am not gonna touch the issue of all black clubs, but only analyze your 'definition' of racism.

Allow me to use an instance of anti-semitism and racism as a case in point. Lets examine the Nazi-party of Germany immediately shortly WWI. The party was young and inneffective in the early '20s. They didn't have mass support (yet). They didn't have gov support (yet). They weren't very powerful (yet). They didn't commit organized against those whom they hated (yet). The Bierhall Putsch was a failure. Hitler was sent off to jail.

All of these things point to the fact that the young Nazi party did not have

So would you argue that the young Nazi party was neither racist nor anti-semetic?

You should read up on the Politics of Reality.

Nope...not racist. Prejudice and hateful...yes. But untill there exists an element of power...its not racism.

Racism is not POWER it is an ideology, no matter what someone in the various fields you state suggest. Racism is different than prejudice, as if I need to elaborate on this, because racism is defined by the sole concept of RACE, whereas prejudice can be a multitude of specifics. Not to mention, I doubt that the consensus of the various fields agree with this attached qualification.

well..your wrong. Thats teh working def. of racism used in those fields. Read up if you don't believe me.

racism...basically a belief in racial superiority...usually biologically justified (or believed to be I should say)...w/ the means to exert power over another race. Thats not it word for word..but thats the basic idea.

prejudice...having a belief about someone (could be positive or negative, true or false) simply because of a group they belong to.

 

[spentagn]

Re: Re: Re: Re: is an all white organization racist?

what about the knights of colombus. what the hell are they anyway?

I don't know, but they can have Colombus. A shithole, I tell ya.

 

[Judah Bauer]

You are a fool for believing this shit.

your right, I should just believe some dude on elite instead of people who spend their lives studying and writing books on the subject.

Its just the working def. of racism, thats all, don't get your panties in a bunch.

 

[atlantabiolab]

Nope...not racist. Prejudice and hateful...yes. But untill there exists an element of power...its not racism.



well..your wrong. Thats teh working def. of racism used in those fields. Read up if you don't believe me.

racism...basically a belief in racial superiority...usually biologically justified (or believed to be I should say)...w/ the means to exert power over another race. Thats not it word for word..but thats the basic idea.

prejudice...having a belief about someone (could be positive or negative, true or false) simply because of a group they belong to.

You are a fool for believing this shit.

 

[collegiateLifter]

Its just the working def. of racism

Only because most people don't bother to think and believe what some pen pusher tells them.

The idea that some one who has hateful prejudices against someone else because of their ethnicity,

the idea that that is not racism, is asinine. It contradicts the very nature of the word.

 

[Judah Bauer]

Only because most people don't bother to think and believe what some pen pusher tells them.

The idea that some one who has hateful prejudices against someone else because of their ethnicity,

the idea that that is not racism, is asinine. It contradicts the very nature of the word.

contradicts what you think is the nature of the word.

You guys are actin like I shit in your corn flakes, I'm just tellin ya what terminology people that study this stuff use. If there's wasn't an element of power...why would we need the word racism? prejudice...or more specifically race prejudice would work fine. Sorry this doesn't fit your worldview and your gettin bent out shape over it....if your really upset then read up on it and learn somethin.

 

[tempest2003]

this whole thing is wack, i think its fucked up, im not racist at all, but when a black guy gets shot, its because of his skin, when his dog gets hit by a car its because the owner is black, they always think they are so mistreated, its bullshit, reverse discrimination is just as bad, and may as well go both ways.

 

[atlantabiolab]

contradicts what you think is the nature of the word.

You are the poster child for imbecile. This concept that everyone interprets the world, equally, validly, is the idea of irrationalism. Your acceptance of critical theory/deconstructionism will cement your ignorance. Words have meaning, the authors that tell you that words are flexible and can mean anything you think are idiots. From their very idea, both you and I are equally correct, which cannot be.

You guys are actin like I shit in your corn flakes, I'm just tellin ya what terminology people that study this stuff use. If there's wasn't an element of power...why would we need the word racism? prejudice...or more specifically race prejudice would work fine. Sorry this doesn't fit your worldview and your gettin bent out shape over it....if your really upset then read up on it and learn somethin.

What you presented is only accepted by a minority of "authors", and from investigating this "idea" is only promoted by radical critical theorists, who wish to promote the idea that only "white" people can be racist. Furthermore, if racism is predicated by the concept of "power" then why would there be the need for the concept of "individual racism", "institutionalized racism", "cultural racism", etc. There could be no individual racism, for an individual cannot have the same power that is contained in institutionalized or cultural racism. By your thinking a person, alone, can only be "prejudicial".

Learn to think, not listen.

 

[Baoh]

contradicts what you think is the nature of the word.

You guys are actin like I shit in your corn flakes, I'm just tellin ya what terminology people that study this stuff use. If there's wasn't an element of power...why would we need the word racism? prejudice...or more specifically race prejudice would work fine. Sorry this doesn't fit your worldview and your gettin bent out shape over it....if your really upset then read up on it and learn somethin.

Christ on a cracker! You and Curling should be "together". That way, neither of you will pass on the genetic basis for your version of being "special" to future generations of dumb fucks.

 

[Judah Bauer]

hey, i'm not gonna debate this with you guys...I don't care enought about it. My recommendation...if you wanna see what the idea's i presented to you mean, do some reading instead of just pontificating your idea's on the internet. THere are alot of people out there that have studied this stuff for years...they base their ideas on research and study...what are you basing yours on ? your own biased worldview? You guys are accusing me of being naive...i'm the one that's exploring other points of view besides my own.

I'm not in any way saying that blacks can't be bitterly hateful towards whites...i'm just saying that because they don't have power over them...its not racism. its race prejudice.

 

[Baoh]

The definition is still being derived via arbitrary means. If you cannot see that, then you need serious help. You have all the reasoning of a lobotomized Orang.

 

[Judah Bauer]

The definition is still being derived via arbitrary means. If you cannot see that, then you need serious help. You have all the reasoning of a lobotomized Orang.

so whats the difference then between my arbitrary def and yours? nothing then...except mine is the one used by those who are paid to study this stuff.

 

[collegiateLifter]

so whats the difference then between my arbitrary def and yours? nothing then...except mine is the one used by those who are paid to study this stuff.

break the damn word down into two peaces.

RACE and ISM


do you know what an ism is? it refers to some kind of belief system.

now lets look at RACE. this refers to someones ethnicity and generally also refers to judgements made about some one because of how they looks, that their race is infered from how they look.

now combine it

Racism is a strong belief about races; that is the the innate superiority of one over another and generally disdain for so believed lesser races.



Thats it.


you can make any isms you want. and just look at their root words


facism
darwinsim
catholicism
polytheism
anti-semitism
authoritarianism
anarchism
nihilism

this concept of power to enforce breaks the very nature of racism. A person holds a given set of beliefs and they can therefore be classified under any number of a given cateogories; it doesn't matter whether or not they can enforce their beliefs; afterall, these 'isms' refer only to belief systems. Your definition is almost like saying, well he isn't a facist because he lives in a democracy. Or say someone is an anarchist in the most extreme form. He wants the destruction of all society, but no one in society sympathizes with him. He will ultimately be unable to achieve his goals that spring from his belief system, but that does not change the fact that he holds those beliefs.

If you were able to entertain this idea, you might be able to grasp it. But that requires you to think for yourself.

 

[atlantabiolab]

break the damn word down into two peaces.

RACE and ISM


do you know what an ism is? it refers to some kind of belief system.

now lets look at RACE. this refers to someones ethnicity and generally also refers to judgements made about some one because of how they looks, that their race is infered from how they look.

now combine it

Racism is a strong belief about races; that is the the innate superiority of one over another and generally disdain for so believed lesser races.



Thats it.


you can make any isms you want. and just look at their root words


facism
darwinsim
catholicism
polytheism
anti-semitism
authoritarianism
anarchism
nihilism

this concept of power to enforce breaks the very nature of racism. A person holds a given set of beliefs and they can therefore be classified under any number of a given cateogories; it doesn't matter whether or not they can enforce their beliefs; afterall, these 'isms' refer only to belief systems. Your definition is almost like saying, well he isn't a facist because he lives in a democracy. Or say someone is an anarchist in the most extreme form. He wants the destruction of all society, but no one in society sympathizes with him. He will ultimately be unable to achieve his goals that spring from his belief system, but that does not change the fact that he holds those beliefs.

If you were able to entertain this idea, you might be able to grasp it. But that requires you to think for yourself.

Give it up, CL. This dummy is probably to busy wiping the drool off of his keyboard to understand your post.

 

[primetime21]

I dont think an all organization is racist. Everyone should be able to unite and hang with whomever they wish. so longas it isnt government funded, it shouldnt be any of our business.

 

[Judah Bauer]

*yawn*...read up boys, read up.

 

[collegiateLifter]

*yawn*...read up boys, read up.

*yawn* just another drone.

People like you are ultimately the downfalls of democracy.

 

[Judah Bauer]

*yawn* just another drone.

People like you are ultimately the downfalls of democracy.

yeah, people like me that read an expand our minds...as opposed to those like you that hide on the internet and believe their own ideas are the best.

ya know fellas, a mind is like a parachute..it only works when its open....its about time to pull your ripcord bros.

 

[Baoh]

yeah, people like me that read an expand our minds...as opposed to those like you that hide on the internet and believe their own ideas are the best.

ya know fellas, a mind is like a parachute..it only works when its open....its about time to pull your ripcord bros.

Where do you go to school?

 

[collegiateLifter]

yeah, people like me that read an expand our minds...as opposed to those like you that hide on the internet and believe their own ideas are the best.

ya know fellas, a mind is like a parachute..it only works when its open....its about time to pull your ripcord bros.

the irony of it all.

 

[Hengst]

I'm not in any way saying that blacks can't be bitterly hateful towards whites...i'm just saying that because they don't have power over them...its not racism.

But it is racism when
I am in a store, the help is black, and they ignore me and help their black customers, who come in after me, first. They are excerzing their "Power" over me and are excluding me from the shopping experience because of me skin color.

My Bauer - Blacks can be and are racist.

And about the bitter hatered you mentioned. So black on white violence is a Hatecrime?

 

[Whiskey]

coming from someone who has lived in an all white town for almost 24 years...

A group I used to belong to went on a trip to decatur IL,

"the city where jesse jackson "tried" to keep the kids in school that were in a gang fight at the football game."

We went because we was asked to go to have a spot in the labor day parade. Just so you know, decatur in probably 45% black, but only because the whites move out, nasty city. I knew it was going to happen, and shure enough, just because we didn't have blacks in our organization, A LOT of black people were yelling and saying shit to us. WTF!?!

I don't see how a group of people can bitch and complain about another group doing the same thing they are doing. True most black organizations allow whites in, but if you are white, why the fuck would you want to!?! Just so you can say you broke through the barrier???

The same for white organizations, the have to allow blacks in, but once again, WHY would a black man want to join a white race based club? The only reason I can think of is just to piss people off, or to brag to his buddies that he invaded an all white group.

I see all race or gender groups as good things. One can draw support from it. It may not be for everyone, so if it isn't for you, then leave it alone and go join a group that does fit your needs.

In todays world, our government isn't going to allow a all white or black organization take over like the nazi's did. Thinking that is just like these paranoid freaks in the NRA that think the government is out to get you and take you guns away.

"side note I do support the NRA, I just think some members are crazy"

wow, my longest post ever...

Whiskey

 

[makedah]

I used to live in North Philadelphia, in a mostly black community. A lot of resentment, in me. Got called cracker a lot. White boy. Whatever. They can keep having their special clubs and support groups, I don't give a fuck. I'm still the tougher person. Maybe that's why there aren't as many all-white groups: we're individuals, and instead of bitching about our problems we fucking fix them ourselves, on our own.

I'm sorry that people called you racist names when you were growing up - that was wrong.

There are a lot of all-white groups out there (and even more virtually all-white groups), they just don't have "white" in the title. They have words like "executive" or "board" or "Congressional committee..."

 

[joack]

Everybody is talking alot of shit about racism and not actually being affected by racism.

-How many folks talking this shit are followed around a store because of their race?

-how many times have you been denied housing based on your race?

-how many times have you been spat upon by a person of another race?

-how many times have you been denied business loans, personal loans or financing at reasonable rates?

-how many times have you been jacked by the police, or have been targeted by the police becuase you fit their profile which is based on race?

- how many family members have you lost to the KKK? And nothing has been done about it.

-how many burning crosses are on your lawn or your family members lawn?

-have you ever been driven out of a community in which you moved to because the people there "dont like your kind?"

-how many times have others yelled racial slurs at you from passing cars?

-how many times have you been told that your friend's parent's object to you being friends with their child?

-how many times have you been stereotyped as a drug dealer, or as being uneducated;

-how many of you have been rejected by people in your own race because you have friends, have had a girl/boy-friend of another race?

-how many times have you been not recognized for your efforts at work and your co-worker who does alot less & is of the same race of the management, get more credit?

-Why is it that whites can get caught with pure cocaine and not do hardly any time vs. blacks who are caught with 1/8 of a crack rock and they do life? The US Congress had sessions on the matter.

-Why did the US Labor and Commerce department state that white females, historically, have been the primary beneficiaries of Affirmative Action - something that most people on this board thinks is only intended for Blacks and other people of color. Women (even white women) are included as being a "minority."

** Many of you will go on in life, hopefully get an education and not experience what others will face on a daily, monthly and yearly basis. Most white folks are not forced to live in predominately Black ghettos and face possible reverse racism. Its been my experience that those white kids who were raised with Blacks in hood often got love from all of us.

Many of you will fit right into mainstream America, you'll be the same race of those who run this country, who run the fortune 500 companies, who are decision makers regarding loans, housing, medical care, school systems & most importantly, employment.

Do yourselves a favor and treat everbody equally, don't generalize, reject the temptation to stereotype others, and do whats right, even if that means you reject the racist rhetoric by those with power. And I'll do (& have done) the same when the roles are reversed.

Its unfortunate that we live on the same planet but live in vastly different worlds and that race, hatred & ignorance plays such an important role in many of our lives.

sorry for the long-ass post....

 

[slobberknocker]

Everybody is talking alot of shit about racism and not actually being affected by racism.

DID YOU READ MY POST

-How many folks talking this shit are followed around a store because of their race?

ENOUGH TIMES

-how many times have you been denied housing based on your race?

NEVER

-how many times have you been spat upon by a person of another race?

SPAT UPON, I'VE HAD MY ASS KICKED FOR BEING WHITE

-how many times have you been denied business loans, personal loans or financing at reasonable rates?


NEVER

-how many times have you been jacked by the police, or have been targeted by the police becuase you fit their profile which is based on race?


NEVER

- how many family members have you lost to the KKK? And nothing has been done about it.


NONE

-how many burning crosses are on your lawn or your family members lawn?


HAD A FEW GANG SIGNS SPRAYPAINTED ON THE OUTSIDE WALL OF MY HOME, AND THE WORD'S "CRACKERJACK"

-have you ever been driven out of a community in which you moved to because the people there "dont like your kind?"


NO. I GOT MY ASS BEAT FOR A WHILE, THEN I BECAME PRETTY HARD TO KILL.

-how many times have others yelled racial slurs at you from passing cars?


A WHOLE FUKING LOT

-how many times have you been told that your friend's parent's object to you being friends with their child?

ENOUGH TIMES


-how many times have you been stereotyped as a drug dealer, or as being uneducated;

OR AS BEING RICH AND PRIVILIGED


-how many of you have been rejected by people in your own race because you have friends, have had a girl/boy-friend of another race?

SEVERAL


-how many times have you been not recognized for your efforts at work and your co-worker who does alot less & is of the same race of the management, get more credit?


NEVER


-Why is it that whites can get caught with pure cocaine and not do hardly any time vs. blacks who are caught with 1/8 of a crack rock and they do life? The US Congress had sessions on the matter.


I DONT KNOW, I DONT DO CRACK

-Why did the US Labor and Commerce department state that white females, historically, have been the primary beneficiaries of Affirmative Action - something that most people on this board thinks is only intended for Blacks and other people of color. Women (even white women) are included as being a "minority."

** Many of you will go on in life, hopefully get an education and not experience what others will face on a daily, monthly and yearly basis. Most white folks are not forced to live in predominately Black ghettos and face possible reverse racism. Its been my experience that those white kids who were raised with Blacks in hood often got love from all of us.


I HAD A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE. I HAD SOME BLACK FRIENDS. I HAD MANY BLACK ENEMIES.


Many of you will fit right into mainstream America, you'll be the same race of those who run this country, who run the fortune 500 companies, who are decision makers regarding loans, housing, medical care, school systems & most importantly, employment.


AAAWWWWWW

Do yourselves a favor and treat everbody equally, don't generalize, reject the temptation to stereotype others, and do whats right, even if that means you reject the racist rhetoric by those with power. And I'll do (& have done) the same when the roles are reversed.


I AGREE


Its unfortunate that we live on the same planet but live in vastly different worlds and that race, hatred & ignorance plays such an important role in many of our lives.

sorry for the long-ass post....

read my post again

 

[***]

man, why is everyone getting on judah bauer for believing in books that he read? let's agree to disagree and stop bickering like 5yr old kids.

note: i don't agree with the opinions of the authors of the books he reads.

 

[collegiateLifter]

man, why is everyone getting on judah bauer for believing in books that he read? let's agree to disagree and stop bickering like 5yr old kids.

note: i don't agree with the opinions of the authors of the books he reads.

It is my belief that at somepoint you should stop simply believing what you are told and start reasoning and thinking for yourself.

 

[Judah Bauer]

man, why is everyone getting on judah bauer for believing in books that he read? let's agree to disagree and stop bickering like 5yr old kids.

note: i don't agree with the opinions of the authors of the books he reads.

the real irony of the whole situation is that its not even a matter of believing in what I've read or whatever...its simply using the terminology and jargon thats used by people that actually study race relations.

The dudes that got all flustered weren't upset because I said "blacks can't hate whites"...but because I used a different (correct) term for that phenomenon (race prejudice). For some reason they believe it has to be called racism.

 

[***]

i saw your earlier point, but i don't completely agree, nor am i going to call you names for saying it lol.

perhaps as a country blacks can't be racist in the US under your definition which i won't argue at this point, but by that same definition certain areas within the US does in fact give blacks the power to enforce their prejudicial beliefs such as an innercity area where it's predominantly black or even the NBA as a league.

 

[Judah Bauer]

i saw your earlier point, but i don't completely agree, nor am i going to call you names for saying it lol.

perhaps as a country blacks can't be racist in the US under your definition which i won't argue at this point, but by that same definition certain areas within the US does in fact give blacks the power to enforce their prejudicial beliefs such as an innercity area where it's predominantly black or even the NBA as a league.

thats a good point. However the situation w/ the ghetto is this: Althought a white in the ghetto would pretty much be in a situation where blacks are more "powerful" than the white...the big picture remains that a ghetto is a result of white power...the blacks are kept there...and whites benefit. So although inside of a ghetto blacks are "powerful"..in the grand scheme of things the ghetto itself is the result of the lack of black power and upward mobility.

 

[***]

thats a good point. However the situation w/ the ghetto is this: Althought a white in the ghetto would pretty much be in a situation where blacks are more "powerful" than the white...the big picture remains that a ghetto is a result of white power...the blacks are kept there...and whites benefit. So although inside of a ghetto blacks are "powerful"..in the grand scheme of things the ghetto itself is the result of the lack of black power and upward mobility.

good point even though i don't agree that blacks are in ghettos for the reasons you said.

what about the NBA? lol

 

[Judah Bauer]

good point even though i don't agree that blacks are in ghettos for the reasons you said.

what about the NBA? lol

maybe I put it the wrong way but the fact remains when blacks stay in the ghetto whites benefit (as groups).

As for the NBA...a very small percentage of rich blacks really doesn't have much effect on the population as a whole...except maybe to perpetuate the belief that success for a black must be had through athletics.

 

[atlantabiolab]

the real irony of the whole situation is that its not even a matter of believing in what I've read or whatever...its simply using the terminology and jargon thats used by people that actually study race relations.

The dudes that got all flustered weren't upset because I said "blacks can't hate whites"...but because I used a different (correct) term for that phenomenon (race prejudice). For some reason they believe it has to be called racism.

Since you cannot reason beyond what another tells you, give us the references that you use so that we may be so enlightened.

 

[***]

maybe I put it the wrong way but the fact remains when blacks stay in the ghetto whites benefit (as groups).

As for the NBA...a very small percentage of rich blacks really doesn't have much effect on the population as a whole...except maybe to perpetuate the belief that success for a black must be had through athletics.

lol, i wasn't referring to the NBA because of the rich black players. i was referring to the league as a whole subculture where blacks have athletic superiority and can for the most part dominate white players. not just the NBA, but basketball courts in general. there's a general belief among a lot of basketball players that white men have no game. in most cases black players have the ability to enforce or back up their belief.

 

[tempest2003]

Everybody is talking alot of shit about racism and not actually being affected by racism.

-How many folks talking this shit are followed around a store because of their race?

-how many times have you been denied housing based on your race?

-how many times have you been spat upon by a person of another race?

-how many times have you been denied business loans, personal loans or financing at reasonable rates?

-how many times have you been jacked by the police, or have been targeted by the police becuase you fit their profile which is based on race?

- how many family members have you lost to the KKK? And nothing has been done about it.

-how many burning crosses are on your lawn or your family members lawn?

-have you ever been driven out of a community in which you moved to because the people there "dont like your kind?"

-how many times have others yelled racial slurs at you from passing cars?

-how many times have you been told that your friend's parent's object to you being friends with their child?

-how many times have you been stereotyped as a drug dealer, or as being uneducated;

-how many of you have been rejected by people in your own race because you have friends, have had a girl/boy-friend of another race?

-how many times have you been not recognized for your efforts at work and your co-worker who does alot less & is of the same race of the management, get more credit?

-Why is it that whites can get caught with pure cocaine and not do hardly any time vs. blacks who are caught with 1/8 of a crack rock and they do life? The US Congress had sessions on the matter.

-Why did the US Labor and Commerce department state that white females, historically, have been the primary beneficiaries of Affirmative Action - something that most people on this board thinks is only intended for Blacks and other people of color. Women (even white women) are included as being a "minority."

** Many of you will go on in life, hopefully get an education and not experience what others will face on a daily, monthly and yearly basis. Most white folks are not forced to live in predominately Black ghettos and face possible reverse racism. Its been my experience that those white kids who were raised with Blacks in hood often got love from all of us.

Many of you will fit right into mainstream America, you'll be the same race of those who run this country, who run the fortune 500 companies, who are decision makers regarding loans, housing, medical care, school systems & most importantly, employment.

Do yourselves a favor and treat everbody equally, don't generalize, reject the temptation to stereotype others, and do whats right, even if that means you reject the racist rhetoric by those with power. And I'll do (& have done) the same when the roles are reversed.

Its unfortunate that we live on the same planet but live in vastly different worlds and that race, hatred & ignorance plays such an important role in many of our lives.

sorry for the long-ass post....

Obviously black, these are the things that piss me off more than anything, black people think the world is against him. Ive never done a single one of those things tword any person of color let alone because of their color. Some black kid was telling the most racist story infront of our class today and the teacher just let him go cause he was black and if she stoped him obviously the guy would think its because hes black, he was calling the rest of use litterally word for word the white trash of america, as in all whites. and he was the "black knight" things like that piss me off more than anything.

 

[Judah Bauer]

lol, i wasn't referring to the NBA because of the rich black players. i was referring to the league as a whole subculture where blacks have athletic superiority and can for the most part dominate white players. not just the NBA, but basketball courts in general. there's a general belief among a lot of basketball players that white men have no game. in most cases black players have the ability to enforce or back up their belief.

ahh i see. Well as a white dude, i'd rather not be able to jump than not be able to climb the corporate ladder i guess

Since you cannot reason beyond what another tells you, give us the references that you use so that we may be so enlightened.

hey, you again! Hmmm so just because I'm using different terminology than you I can't think for myself? C'mon now, i'm sure you can see that that's groundless.

anyway...start w/ James Jones "Prejudice and Racism". I don't agree with everything he says, but its definitley thought provoking.

 

[atlantabiolab]

hey, you again! Hmmm so just because I'm using different terminology than you I can't think for myself? C'mon now, i'm sure you can see that that's groundless.

You are not just using different terminology, but you are redefining words, which has the ability to then recreate anything you want into anything you wish.

anyway...start w/ James Jones "Prejudice and Racism". I don't agree with everything he says, but its definitley thought provoking.

Definition of racism

The ICERD (International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination) defines racism as follows:
“Any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment, or exercise, on equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural, or any other field of public life.”

Since I don't redefine reality with the writings of every author, here is a conventional definition of racism by an authoritative body.

 

[Judah Bauer]

You are not just using different terminology, but you are redefining words, which has the ability to then recreate anything you want into anything you wish.





Since I don't redefine reality with the writings of every author, here is a conventional definition of racism by an authoritative body.

i can respect that definition..but what would make it distinctive from race prejudice?