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Is All Protein The Same?

Nelson Montana

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In the past I've written that a gram of protein is essentially a gram of protein. Sure, you wouldn't want all your protein to come from plant source because they're missing certain essential amino acids and would have to combine different food to make up a "complete" protein. (Major pain in the ass). But as long as you include a good amount of meat, you're golden. So the goal is to simply keep the body saturated with protein if you want optimum growth -- whether you're "on" or natty.

Naturally FOOD is paramount. But the occasional protein drink is a convenient way to get a blast of protein without a lot of carbs and fat. The concept is simple. But the more I examine this, the more I'm starting to believe that certain engeneered foods are indeed more effective at insuring muscle growth.

For example;

Eggs are a great protein source and an excellent source of cholesterol. I know, I know, we're supposed to avoid that, but cholesterol is necessary for the production of testosterone so we should always be in a surplus. Sufficient exercise and oils will insure that the LDL/HDL ratio stays favorable. Now back to the egg. A single egg contains 8 grams of protein. That's raw -- which is why the old timers used to eat them raw. But once any food is cooked, the protein becomes denatured, which in essense means, it's protein value goes way down. So a cooked egg winds up with only 3-4 grams of usable protein. That's nothing in the big scheme of things.

Protein powders are not denatured, making them a far more potent source of amino acids. But once again, many common proteins are only 60-70% usable. Protein concentrate is even less, but it's cheap, which is why it's usually the main ingredient in MRP's. It's also why Protein Factory sells it for 5 bucks a pound. So if you're looking for an economical protein, it's not bad. But if you're looking for the most POTENT protein, you need to step it up.

The various types of wheys and casiens have been discussed many times over and many times over you'll get guys who say it doesn't matter. Well, no ONE thing may not seem to matter much but when you're doing everything possible to gain as much muscle as possible, EVERYTHING matters. And if something makes a difference, I'm going to use it.

In the past I've presented studies how super plasma protein (found in BIG BLAST) has been shown to put on significantly more muscle on test animals than any other food source. That's huge. But it is a little pricy. Then again, mixed with a good basic protein powder and lots of protein food, that's when you can really start to see a difference.

So when we start getting lax about diet and thinking that the drugs are so powerful that they'll take care of everything, realize that even steroids can't make muscle out of nothing. They need protein and lots of it. And to those who are natty, you'd be surprised how taking in an additional 100 grams of quality protein can make a tremendous differnce. But let's face it, a hundred grams of protein from food is a lot. It'll leave you stuffed and bloated. But you can easily get that from a couple of low cal drinks in between meals. As much as a frosty milk shake type shake hits the spot, I prefer the lighter fruit flavored drinks because they're less filling. This wasn't possible just a few years ago but the top quality protein these days is so pure, it has a clean fresh taste that doesn't have to be "hidden." (Except for hydrolyzed -- good protein but tastes like death. That one I'd avoid unless it's like 5% of the total formula).

So all in all, don't neglect the power of protein. Get it from all sources, everywhere, all the time. In the end, it's the only thing that makes muscles grow.
 
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Nelson - I read something a few months back about cooking oatmeal with powdered whey and how it could denature the protein. it went on to say that it didnt really matter bc if the cooking doesnt do it the acid in your stomach will.

any thoughts on this theory?
 
8AND20 said:
Nelson - I read something a few months back about cooking oatmeal with powdered whey and how it could denature the protein. it went on to say that it didnt really matter bc if the cooking doesnt do it the acid in your stomach will.

any thoughts on this theory?

Not really, it's a different process. When something enters the digestive track already "dead" it's inert. Stomach acid can nuetralize a lot of things but if it destroyed nutrients we wouldn't survive as a species. It's very effective in that regard. But the intestines were never intended to aborb certain chemicals which is why so many drugs need to be injected, or are a strain on the liver. The fact that the intestines can absorb these concentrated protein sources is a huge boon because it's doing what it does naturally but to an extent far beyond what was ever expected.
 
Nelson do you have any discount codes to give out? I'm looking into some big blast and mega whey.
 
sopac said:
Nelson do you have any discount codes to give out? I'm looking into some big blast and mega whey.


Sorry bro, not only do I have no control over that, the policy of PF is that prices are already near wholesale. bodybuilding.com carries a few things for even less than the PF site but there are less options, you can't customize, and the BIG BLAST is the same price anyway. I also understand that Elite will soon be carrying a line of PF products with discounts to members so that may be your best bet.

At any rate, the prices are very resonable and BIG BLAST has actually come down a little bit due to the recent high volume sales. They were able to buy more in bulk and that saves on the overall expense and a part of that is passed onto the customers.
 
Its all good, have you personally used Big Blast? Do a lot of people use it for pre workout?
 
sopac said:
Its all good, have you personally used Big Blast? Do a lot of people use it for pre workout?

Oh yeah, no doubt it's the best shit around. I used to customize my own blend to simulate the old Rheo Blair formula and that was great. When Alex asked me to make what I thought you'd be the best mass gainer I combined that formula with some insulin producing properties and the super plasma and creatine. It's a total mass gainer and not really to be used as an MRP. It's best post workout, 2X's a day for gaining and post cycle to maintain mass. It definitely does the job.
 
Mac173 said:
I'm assuming it's isolate due to the comments you made about concentrate?

Cross filtered, which is the best of the wheys.

I forgot to mention, out of all the pros I ever interviewed, the use of supps varied wildly. Some said they used everything under the sun, others said they used only a few and some didn't use any, but they all said they used protein powders in abundance.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Cross filtered, which is the best of the wheys.

I forgot to mention, out of all the pros I ever interviewed, the use of supps varied wildly. Some said they used everything under the sun, others said they used only a few and some didn't use any, but they all said they used protein powders in abundance.

What does that mean exactly?
 
Mac173 said:
What does that mean exactly?


It means that everyone has a different philosophy but no one would be willing to not take advantage of a covenient way to get extra protein of the highest quality. Can it be done without it? Sure. But it'd be dumb to cut yourself off from the added potential it provides.
 
i.ve been doing goat's milk whey b/c i am allegic to whey and egg protein and do not want the soy...i can say that for the first time, on gear or not, my recovery time is much much faster...although those goats are hard to catch
 
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