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well is it? And how effective can it be?
is 1-testosterone a steroid?????
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No, it is not.
Depends on who you ask. A single molecule is missing, which makes it sound like it's "real close" but as any scientist will tell you, a single molecule makes all the difference.
Even if 1 test is technically a steroid, it isn't a very effective one.
I used Pat Arnolds 1 test and thought it was utter crap. Bill Llewelyn was trying to convince me how great his formula was and wanted to send me some bottles. I told him flat out, if it worked, I'd say so, but if it didn't, I'd say so.
He never sent it.
Even if 1 test is technically a steroid, it isn't a very effective one.
I used Pat Arnolds 1 test and thought it was utter crap. Bill Llewelyn was trying to convince me how great his formula was and wanted to send me some bottles. I told him flat out, if it worked, I'd say so, but if it didn't, I'd say so.
He never sent it.
Re: Re: is 1-testosterone a steroid?????
I have been out of stock, and too busy to drop you a note. New stock is in in a week or so.
What is missing that makes it NOT a steroid Nelson? Once again, you are talking without knowing what you speak of.
1-Test is a moleculae BTW, made up of ATOMS.
Nelson Montana said:
I have been out of stock, and too busy to drop you a note. New stock is in in a week or so.
What is missing that makes it NOT a steroid Nelson? Once again, you are talking without knowing what you speak of.
1-Test is a moleculae BTW, made up of ATOMS.
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The Terminator said:
Please explain.. How is it NOT a steroid? Because it is LEGAL?
When either one of the two bills in Congress right now addressing this are passed, 1-Test will join all the others on the list of federally controlled schedule III anabolic steroids. Does it become a steroid then?
Geez.. You guys talk.. But don't know shit about the subject.
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bds20002002
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ty.
I have noticed signifigant increases in amount of weight im able to lift. However im concerened it is muscle memory(i am working out again after a 5 year lay off). If it is in the Test family which the name implies, will i need to be concerened with my test levels post cycle. I am ending a 12 week cycle. first 4 weeks 100mgs ad, second 4 weeks 300mgs ad, last 4 weeks 100 mgs ad.
I have noticed signifigant increases in amount of weight im able to lift. However im concerened it is muscle memory(i am working out again after a 5 year lay off). If it is in the Test family which the name implies, will i need to be concerened with my test levels post cycle. I am ending a 12 week cycle. first 4 weeks 100mgs ad, second 4 weeks 300mgs ad, last 4 weeks 100 mgs ad.
Geoboy:
When new legislation is passed it most often goes into effect the following September 1 or January 1. Although there are exceptions; President Bush (Sr.) signed the ASCA into law in November 1990, which went into effect March 1, 1991.
I'll have to check with Rick Collins for an update.
Regards,
RW
When new legislation is passed it most often goes into effect the following September 1 or January 1. Although there are exceptions; President Bush (Sr.) signed the ASCA into law in November 1990, which went into effect March 1, 1991.
I'll have to check with Rick Collins for an update.
Regards,
RW
javaguru
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1-test is a marketing name. It most certainly is an anabolic steroid based on the rat levator ani assay studies. It was found to be from 4-7 times as anabolic as testosterone and at least twice as androgenic if I remeber correctly. Those who have injected have experienced positive results but the injection pain is too great for anyone to continue for more than a week or two. I did a bicep injection and it was inflamed for a week.
bds20002002
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so thier ingestability claims are nonsense?
cartoon_muscles
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Wow ! Sounds great to me. Ha ha ...
I will stick to real AAS. Anything that is legal without a prescription is CRAP and is sold by large amounts of marketing by bb's who are taking the real stuff !!!
I will stick to real AAS. Anything that is legal without a prescription is CRAP and is sold by large amounts of marketing by bb's who are taking the real stuff !!!
Raven18330
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cartoon_muscles said:
there have been a lot of arguments about 1-test on these posts, and comments like this are the most ignorant that i have heard. Just because you don't need a perscription it is crap? Does that mean that over the counter pain relievers such as advil or aleve are crap too just because they are over the counter, or this just apply to prohormones and AS?
For the umpteenth time, 1-test IS a steroid. You guys who are saying it isn't or that it is a prohormone are simply talking out of your ass without the most basic understanding of what comprises a steroid. 1-Test is very close in structure to primo (1-methyl-1-testosterone). Primo just has that extra methyl group on the 1-carbon. If 1-test is a prohormone then I guess 1-AD is a pro-prohormone, LOL. You guys really make yourselves look uneducated.
Prohormone definition: A hormone precurser that relies on enzymatic conversion to the active hormone inside the body. Example: 4-AD (diol) relies on enzymatic oxidation of that 3-hydroxyl group to convert it to testosterone. 1-AD relies on that same enzymatic oxidation to convert to 1-testosterone (the ACTIVE hormone in this case). Ironically, some of the most accepted AS (test esters like test enan, test cyp, test prop) are in fact, prohormones. Yes, the esterified test is completely inactive and unable to bind to androgen receptors. A test ester relies on an enzymatic cleavage of that ester group to release testosterone itself before it can do anything. Therefore, by strict definition, they are prohormones. Somehow, this escapes these people, LOL. I have never heard anyone try to say that test esters are a waste of money and don't work. Must be because they are illegal and thus more potent and deserving of the title "anabolic steroid".
Every time this subject comes up, there are people who scoff and swear 1-test isn't an AS but to date, NONE of these people have ever offered any evidence to support their claim; not even ancedotal evidence. Why you ask? Because the simple truth is that it is a steroid. Does the fact that it is legal (for the time being) make it somehow less effective?
Come on now, the structure of the original AS, testosterone, has been changed and manipulated to give us all of the other AS. They are all testosterone derivatives. This is done by adding a methyl or other alkyl group to some position on the steroid rings or adding a double bond or reducing a double bond or some combination of all of those. It's called synthetic chemistry. Take test and add a 1,2-double bond and we call that boldenone. Take boldenone and add a 17-methyl group and we call that methandrostenalone (dbol). Take testosterone and reduce the 4,5-double bond (DHT) and add a 1-methyl group and we have proviron. Get it? It is all just chemical manipulation of testosterone to begin with. So, if I reduce the 4,5 double bond in testosterone and put in a 1,2 double bond to get 1-testosterone, somehow that is not a steroid? That is absurd. But wait, take that same 1-test and add a 1-methyl group (primo) and all of a sudden that IS an AS, right
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1-Test has a number of features that are quite desirable. The 4,5 double bond in test is absolutely required for it to be aromatized by aromatase to an estrogen. Since 1-test doesn't have that 4,5 double bond, it can't aromatize so estrogenic sides like bloating and gyno risk are absent (kind of like primo; imagine that). It also can not be reduced to DHT so andogenic sides like hairloss and acne may not be as much of a problem. Although, it may be a fairly potent androgen in its own right.
Most of the people scoffing at it have never even tried it. I only know of one person who has made and injected 1-test enanthate. He claims to have gained 7 lbs of water free mass in two weeks on 500 mg ew. He compared it's effectiveness to (gasp) primo. On the down side, he had to stop after two weeks because of the pain.
Prohormone definition: A hormone precurser that relies on enzymatic conversion to the active hormone inside the body. Example: 4-AD (diol) relies on enzymatic oxidation of that 3-hydroxyl group to convert it to testosterone. 1-AD relies on that same enzymatic oxidation to convert to 1-testosterone (the ACTIVE hormone in this case). Ironically, some of the most accepted AS (test esters like test enan, test cyp, test prop) are in fact, prohormones. Yes, the esterified test is completely inactive and unable to bind to androgen receptors. A test ester relies on an enzymatic cleavage of that ester group to release testosterone itself before it can do anything. Therefore, by strict definition, they are prohormones. Somehow, this escapes these people, LOL. I have never heard anyone try to say that test esters are a waste of money and don't work. Must be because they are illegal and thus more potent and deserving of the title "anabolic steroid".
Every time this subject comes up, there are people who scoff and swear 1-test isn't an AS but to date, NONE of these people have ever offered any evidence to support their claim; not even ancedotal evidence. Why you ask? Because the simple truth is that it is a steroid. Does the fact that it is legal (for the time being) make it somehow less effective?
Come on now, the structure of the original AS, testosterone, has been changed and manipulated to give us all of the other AS. They are all testosterone derivatives. This is done by adding a methyl or other alkyl group to some position on the steroid rings or adding a double bond or reducing a double bond or some combination of all of those. It's called synthetic chemistry. Take test and add a 1,2-double bond and we call that boldenone. Take boldenone and add a 17-methyl group and we call that methandrostenalone (dbol). Take testosterone and reduce the 4,5-double bond (DHT) and add a 1-methyl group and we have proviron. Get it? It is all just chemical manipulation of testosterone to begin with. So, if I reduce the 4,5 double bond in testosterone and put in a 1,2 double bond to get 1-testosterone, somehow that is not a steroid? That is absurd. But wait, take that same 1-test and add a 1-methyl group (primo) and all of a sudden that IS an AS, right
?1-Test has a number of features that are quite desirable. The 4,5 double bond in test is absolutely required for it to be aromatized by aromatase to an estrogen. Since 1-test doesn't have that 4,5 double bond, it can't aromatize so estrogenic sides like bloating and gyno risk are absent (kind of like primo; imagine that). It also can not be reduced to DHT so andogenic sides like hairloss and acne may not be as much of a problem. Although, it may be a fairly potent androgen in its own right.
Most of the people scoffing at it have never even tried it. I only know of one person who has made and injected 1-test enanthate. He claims to have gained 7 lbs of water free mass in two weeks on 500 mg ew. He compared it's effectiveness to (gasp) primo. On the down side, he had to stop after two weeks because of the pain.
bds20002002
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how about its oral behaviorability?
Semantics.
The only thing that matters is if something is effective or not. And no prohormone has been effective for anything else but raising estrogen. And the pro-STEROIDs I've tried sucked ass. But I will give BL's product a fair shake. (If he ever sends it ) But no fucking way on earth am I going to inject it. I'm not insane!
Pure Primobolin isn't very effective if swallowed so even if this shit IS the same thing, the bio availability of an oral dosing would make it pretty worthless. But I'll wait and see.
The only thing that matters is if something is effective or not. And no prohormone has been effective for anything else but raising estrogen. And the pro-STEROIDs I've tried sucked ass. But I will give BL's product a fair shake. (If he ever sends it ) But no fucking way on earth am I going to inject it. I'm not insane!
Pure Primobolin isn't very effective if swallowed so even if this shit IS the same thing, the bio availability of an oral dosing would make it pretty worthless. But I'll wait and see.
bds20002002 said:
BEHAVIOURability?
LOL, so, does it BEHAVE well in your mouth?
School's out! But someone needs to go back for a while.
Aw, .... summer.
Kids.
Board posters with under 100 posts.
Newbies.
Prohormones.
Dudes starting a training program in Mid-june so that they get huge ands ripped for summer.
Awww ... summer.
No, not semantics. It's pure, unadulterated, inescapeable scientific fact! LOL, Mr. Montana, sometimes your like the Sahef ( Iraqi Information Minister) of steroids. No matter how compelling the evidence is, you will still say "It isn't so".Nelson Montana said:
That may be true with prohormones. 1-Test is not a prohormone. You may be thinking of 1-AD, which is a prohormone (converts to 1-test). Incidently, neither 1-test or even 1-AD can raise estrogen in anyone. Neither molecule has the necessary 4,5 double bond required to aromatize. No aromatization, no estrogen formation.
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I can't believe I am saying this but I agree with you here. Oral bioavailability is going to suck mostly because it has no 17-alkyl group to protect it from first pass degradation by the liver (neither does primo). The majority of what is taken orally will be destroyed by your liver before it gets to do anything. I think you would have to take several times the injected dose orally to see a similar effect and I would worry about liver toxicity at such high doses.
In order to fairly compare 1-test to something else, you would have to take both compounds at the same dosage in the same way. For instance, get some 1-test cyp and do a cycle with that injected IM. Then get some test cyp or primo or any other injectable steroid ester and do an identical cycle for the same amount of time at the same dosage. That would yield a true and fair comparison I think everyone would agree.
javaguru
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It seems people don't want to be confused with the facts. It is an anabolic steroid pure and simple, there is scientific evidence that it is more anabolic and androgenic than testosterone. Ironically, if there was no 1-test burn it might have been released as a prescription drug and we wouldn't even be having this discussion, since it would magically start working.The fact that any mention of 1-test is quickly moved to the supp board doesn't help perceptions either. Especially since it certainly belongs on the anabolic board more than the avena sativa, maca and ala discussions that are never moved.
transdermal delivery???
I'm afraid that I'm with those that say that orally 1-Test isn't that great, at least it's not worth the price most people are asking for it. I was curious about the transdermal delivery that is claimed by some companies like Urban Biologics and their 1-TestProAlpha. What's the shake down on that? Would that work any better? I was looking at that but I have a hard time believing in transdermal delivery.
I'm afraid that I'm with those that say that orally 1-Test isn't that great, at least it's not worth the price most people are asking for it. I was curious about the transdermal delivery that is claimed by some companies like Urban Biologics and their 1-TestProAlpha. What's the shake down on that? Would that work any better? I was looking at that but I have a hard time believing in transdermal delivery.
Singleton said:
Cyclodextrins are good at getting 1-test in the body, but they SUCK for sustaining levels. The only really effective forms of 1-Test right now are oil-solubilized softgels, transdermals, or injection.
ProperlyPumped
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Super One+ transdermal works! (Product has been banned)
1-AD works!
Boldione works!
I've use all of the above and many others. Most people who don't like the PHs have probably only tried products like the 19-Norandrostenedione, Androstenedione and 5-Androstenediol.
Some people say it's just a placebo effect. Well that "placebo effect" makes my gains go up and up everytime I use the 1-Test products, so I say bring on the placebo effect. As far as comparible to steroids, I think steroids give a better result but the pro steroidals are very comparable.
1-AD works!
Boldione works!
I've use all of the above and many others. Most people who don't like the PHs have probably only tried products like the 19-Norandrostenedione, Androstenedione and 5-Androstenediol.
Some people say it's just a placebo effect. Well that "placebo effect"
makes my gains go up and up everytime I use the 1-Test products, so I say bring on the placebo effect. As far as comparible to steroids, I think steroids give a better result but the pro steroidals are very comparable.
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D-abolicone
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Spidey you seem to know the most on this subject. I wanted to ask anyone if they have seen (used) the products put out by SDI labs. Their site is : www.legalsteroids.com
I have been looking at them and they have peaked my curosity in them. I checked the bbb on them and they are a member and are in good standing.
I am looking for some feedback on these products. Thanks!
I have been looking at them and they have peaked my curosity in them. I checked the bbb on them and they are a member and are in good standing.
I am looking for some feedback on these products. Thanks!
I will start by saying I am not a fan of prohormones. Any time you see a company naming their products after real AS, like Winny-V and the like, it should throw up a warning flag. The fact is, there is only one legal steroid in the US that is not a prohormone and that is 1-test.D-abolicone said:
Scroll down to the ingredients of their products and you will find they are just varying mixtures of 1-AD, 4-AD, 1-test, ma huang, caffein, etc. There are no "LEGAL STEROIDS" (excepting 1-test) in their preparations and most of their products do not even contain 1-test. Their 1-test suspension is a mixture of 1-AD, 4-AD, and 1-test ETHER. I am not sure what ether they have attached but I suspect it is a THP ether since any other ether would be too stable and the product would be totally inactive. A THP ether would make this product totally useless unless taken orally. The THP ether has to come off in order to release the hormone and it would need acid catalysis to do that (stomach acid). That means you couldn't make a transdermal or injectable out of it.
Pro-hormones have effectiveness problems for a number of reasons: 1. They rely on a rather inefficient enzymatic oxidation (or reduction) to release the active hormone. 2. Your body already has high levels of 4-AD as it is the direct natural precurser to testosterone. Adding a little more 4-AD will not have a huge effect. Think of adding a cup of water to a containor that already contains a gallon of water. Will you see a big difference in the water level? 3. Prohormones are steroidal compounds themselves and still suppress the HPTA while exerting only minimal anabolic activity. Some (like 4-AD) can also be aromatized to estrogens creating a gyno risk. The risk to benefit ratio is just not so good IMO.
Put all that together and you have a compound that you have to take high dosages of and the anabolic activity will still be many times less than real steroids but will still have many of the negative sides of real steroids like HPTA suppression, gyno risk, etc.
Now, it is true that 1-test is a true anabolic steroid and not a prohormone. However, oral bioavailability kind of sucks. Since it has no 17-alkyl group, most will be destroyed on first pass through the liver. You could eat test suspension and the same would be true. The only truly effective means of delivery is injection IM. Transdermal preps will probably work better than oral preps but injection will still be the best.
Your best bet is to buy 1-test powder; esterify it yourself and buy a powder kit to make an injectable or find a place that sells 1-test cypionate powder (or other ester).
D-abolicone
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Thanks for the quick reply and the help in making an educated decision. If I decide to use any of these "products" out I will stick with the 1-test and look to make it injectable.
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
Lumberg
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notpuff said:
r u doing the hardcore dosing?
U should be doign it at least twoce a day, three times (eithe rright before or right after w/o depending on whether u take a shower after) oon w/o days.
it'll work believe me.
also r u shakign up the bottle, and spreadign it on really good?
Lumberg
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R u putting it on an area that you shave?
Ru putting it on clean skin?
Hair interferes with absorption. At least one of the doses should be right after showering, before you have put on any moisturizer or whatever.
Also rotate bodyparts--arms in am, chest in pm, legs next morning, etc.
Ru putting it on clean skin?
Hair interferes with absorption. At least one of the doses should be right after showering, before you have put on any moisturizer or whatever.
Also rotate bodyparts--arms in am, chest in pm, legs next morning, etc.
ProperlyPumped
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notpuff said:
I didn't notice any results until my tenth day on Super One +. I did....
10 squirts the 1st day (5 in the morning 5 before bed)
16 the next
20 the next
22 for 5 days
24 for 25 days
20 one day
16 one day
16 one day
16 last day
I applied it in the morning right after I showered and once before I went to bed.
I weighed 209 when I started and ended up being 220. I got very nice results.
ProperlyPumped
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Diet was pretty clean. I didn't just eat everything in site like when some people bulk. This way I just got pretty lean results and didn't have the fat to lose. Of course I had about 4lbs in water that I lost.
Training was low reps with heavy weights. Reps were between 5-8.
This is what I took
Super One + (2 bottles)
AST multivitamin
Saw Palmetto
Nettle Root
Optimum Nutritions Whey protein
AST MRPs
Creatine
6OXO post cycle
Training was low reps with heavy weights. Reps were between 5-8.
This is what I took
Super One + (2 bottles)
AST multivitamin
Saw Palmetto
Nettle Root
Optimum Nutritions Whey protein
AST MRPs
Creatine
6OXO post cycle
